Why are some people "bad at drugs"?

[Shambles]

Apologies for going back to the side-issue of the last page (Kate's got her thread-tidying head on anyway if it's too off-topic) but the imminent changes to housing benefit are really gonna fuck a lotta people over methinks. Hard financial times and all that but freezing Housing Benefit and charging council/housing association tennants for being in the "wrong size" house out of their JSA/ESA/whatever?!? Ouch. That's gonna fukkin hurt a lotta people through no fault of their own. It's not like you get much choice of housing - you more or less take the first place you're offered and are grateful for whatever you get. Imo, ime, etc, etc. I'm lucky cos I've only got one bedroom but was purely a throw of the dice - could've just as easily been given a two-bedroom and having to pay extra rent on the "spare" room would have me without a home sharpish. Can't see how these changes can do anything but be a complete nightmare for councils and housing associations trying to find different accomodation for people that already have accomodation. Fukkin nuts

Tangentitally related to the thread too as plenty peeps who are "bad" at drugs are suddenly gonna have to find rent money outta what's always been their drug money (sorry taxpayers but y'all know it's true). There's no way I'd've been responsible enough to budget like that when I had a habit. Am concerned enough as it is that my housing benefit is gonna be paid to me rather than directly to me landlord cos I'm not sure I'm responsible enough to not just see an extra £80/week in my account and fuck up in a big way sooner rather than later

 

[charlie clean]

Thanks ever so, Kate, on the way now with a couple of homeless chums. Hope there'll be a nice roast waiting for us, none of yer veggie rubbish, please.. Our needs are few, a southfacing room, hi-definition plasma TV, three hots with a decent wine and you won't know we're there. Oh, if you could leave £20 or£40 out in case we need to score, we'll pay you back as soon as our rent allowance claims come through . Virtue is its own reward and I can't understand why more people don't act in such a socially responsible fashion

 

[koneko]

Thanks ever so, Kate, on the way now with a couple of homeless chums. Hope there'll be a nice roast waiting for us, none of yer veggie rubbish, please.. Our needs are few, a southfacing room, hi-definition plasma TV, three hots with a decent wine and you won't know we're there. Oh, if you could leave £20 or£40 out in case we need to score, we'll pay you back as soon as our rent allowance claims come through . Virtue is its own reward and I can't understand why more people don't act in such a socially responsible fashion

My dearest grown up sons? Oh how I miss you

 

[scottishdnb]

Life experiences, personality, insecurities, body chemistry, coping mechanisms etc. Most people shouldn't take drugs as they can make you emotionally unstable or question who you are unless you're very rigid in your thinking. The changes in thought can be quite traumatic for some. But I believe occasional use of drugs has a role in the evolution of our species. I think some people who are 'straight edge' need a big dose of something to get them out of the box they live in and make them have a different perspective. It's like the people who take drugs shouldn't take drugs and the people that don't should do. It's weird the way the world works eh?

This is true.

 

[brimz]

but it is/can be very relevant to the original question, and a logical organic movement of the thread towards looking at possible and actual consequences of drug use.

I'd be really interested to hear what Brimz has to say on this subject. I hope he finds this thread and makes a post.

Hmmn .

I think i have posted much of my life experiences in EADD at some point or another .
The Homeless bit , The Big Issue Selling n all the Drug taking .
Mind you my life has been far from boring . I've travelled far & wide been fortunate to Live in California & Portugal.
I'm stuck for time right now cos i have to get this fukin toe looked at again in 40 minutes so i'll get back on this thread later

There used to be a 30% requirement in this country, till earlier this year for builders to make 30% social housing...for every development they did.

This has been scrapped, yes, Tory govt, and now all such deals are locally negotiable, so depends on the builders sway with councillors a lot more.

EDI>>>just asked missis, she says it was scrapped in summer



Yes SHM, you use longer words than me. Must be all those Brain Training games your grandkids have been getting you for your iPad.

Indeed their was . It was a great idea that actually worked , i was fortunate enough to get in on one as well & it improved my quality of life big time.

I was very disappointed to hear that the Tory Cunt's had scrapped it .

 

[maxalfie]

Agree 100%
This aint NO Jack Kerouac crap were talking here, this is England where it rains, cold, dark etc.
I think people have the wrong idea about this subject & it makes me mad as hell, I am 99.9% sure badandwicked has NEVER had the life dealings we have had.
1 night on the street you soon learn it is NO joke & your very sad about what you got into, I am sure only people that have been without a home really know how long a night can be & how cold it is too (well people kicking Gear know about the long ass night times too)

Being homeless is the one thing that truly scares me. I can't imagine how bad it must be especially during winter time.
Most of us can walk around our town or city and get a bit cold but we know that we will soon be back home in the warmth with all our home comforts.
It must be awful to be out in the cold and not have anywhere you can go to get warm & relax. It must really eat away at your pride as well due to the way some folk look at you and treat you.
I cross my fingers that homelessness is something I never have to experience.

 

[backroll]

Shit is nasty for sure. Someone robbed my woolly hat last time I was kipping rough. That got the tears flowing I can tell you. It's small things like a warm jacket and the tiniest bit of shelter that we take for granted that you thank god for in those situations. It's also the fact that you don't have anyone to turn to, you have fucked up so many relationships that you don't even have a sofa to sleep on in the fucking city you were born in. And as Farmaz quite rightly says depression kicks in very quickly.

Be nice you lot this xmas, I don't want it to happen to any of you!

Anyone here got nicked on purpose just for a bit of warmth, cup of tea and microwaved full english? I heard Brimz or Charlie chatting about someone clucking so hard that they got themselves nicked just so they could see the police doctor for a dose!

The question "why are some people bad at doing drugs?" ain't really that important and for me the answers are obvious, it's why you do drugs!
If you lived a fulfilled life and had suffered no trauma then you wouldn't be taking them would you?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

If you lived a fulfilled life and had suffered no trauma then you wouldn't be taking them would you?

Trauma has nothing to do with my drug-taking. I respect the fact that it does with some people but I'm sick of the implication in your statement that drugs are for losers. Drugs are for hedonism and learning. In no particular order.

Nothing personal in this BR. It's a well-worn path, drugs = traumatised person.

Not in my world.

 

[Myshkin]

It's a well-worn path, drugs = traumatised person.

Not in my world.

I agree - true in many cases but by no means universal. And that's one of the more charitable conclusions people tend to reach about 'drug users' as well.

Trauma has contributed to plenty of drug abuse on my part, but most of my drug use has arisen from either curiosity or pleasure-seeking rather than trauma.

Obviously there's always the argument that prior trauma initiated the risk-taking, but I'll nip that in the bud rather than roll out one of the many sob stories that a bottle of scotch and an empty bed tend to elicit from me.

The question "why are some people bad at doing drugs?" ain't really that important and for me the answers are obvious

Are the answers really that obvious? I don't tend to agree.

Hence the existence of this thread, which I think is a potentially interesting opportunity to examine different people's drug use and how (or if) it hampers their daily lives, therefore making them 'bad at drugs'.

Perhaps for those who've used the thread to give accounts of some (quite unfortunate and saddening) consequences of being 'bad at drugs' (i.e. homelessness - which kinda derailed the thread before Kate intervened - abuse, neglect, loss of job / partner, whatever), soothing a sense of trauma is quite understandably their main motivation.

There are as many types of drug user as there are drugs, however. In addition to this, people use different drugs at different times of their lives for a whole range of reasons.

 

[furrball]

Trauma has nothing to do with my drug-taking. I respect the fact that it does with some people but I'm sick of the implication in your statement that drugs are for losers. Drugs are for hedonism and learning. In no particular order.

Hrmm - they did for me..
I self medicated with MDMA on the advice of a friend as a treatment for PTSD, and it worked wonders.
Since then I use it to remind myself that my trust issues have no real bearing on the reality of any situation.
Oh, and because I love it ..

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Hrmm - they did for me..

Maybe that's why I said

Trauma has nothing to do with my drug-taking. I respect the fact that it does with some people

Thousands of years of history tell us it appears to be a normal function of the human brain and body to seek out pleasure and altered consciousness.

Nobody has to be arse raped by their dad to take LSD.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Nobody has to be arse raped by their dad to take LSD.

Quote of the year?

 

[backroll]

Trauma has nothing to do with my drug-taking. I respect the fact that it does with some people but I'm sick of the implication in your statement that drugs are for losers. Drugs are for hedonism and learning. In no particular order.

Nothing personal in this BR. It's a well-worn path, drugs = traumatised person.

Not in my world.

Sorry im being wildly misunderstood here. I had laid out two reasons for misuse but clearly not eloquently enough.
There are those that use drugs because of trauma, and those that use drugs because of boredom. In my post that's what I meant and that's all I said. However of course there are the hedonistic lot!!! FFS I wasn't going Fabric with 15 e in me when I was 16 because of trauma! And I didn't hang out in squats for years in manchester taking ket, dmt and acid every other day because of trauma, it was a quest for adventure.

For some of us though, despite hedonistic, pyschonaut and somtimes shamanistic tendencies, things like heroin and benzos are all we equate to the general term "drugs". Soz for the misunderstanding!

 

[Myshkin]

Quote of the year?

Can't see it being beaten, today at least.

Unless somebody makes the mistake of thinking he's trivialising arse rape (whether paternally-inflicted or otherwise) rather than just using an extreme example of a traumatic experience to illustrate his point. Which of course would never happen in EADD...

I self medicated with MDMA on the advice of a friend as a treatment for PTSD, and it worked wonders.
Since then I use it to remind myself that my trust issues have no real bearing on the reality of any situation.

That's good to hear, and MDMA also helped undo a lot of damage, psychic knots and selfishness for me too, so I can relate.

Next time, however, read the whole post before replying eh?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

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Cool Backroll, we're largely in agreement obviously.

Hrmm - they did for me..
I self medicated with MDMA on the advice of a friend as a treatment for PTSD, and it worked wonders.
Since then I use it to remind myself that my trust issues have no real bearing on the reality of any situation.
Oh, and because I love it ..

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Wanted to go back to this. Great story. But also raises the old chestnut of drugs or medicine. The word drugs is used in an abstract atmosphere usually associated with negativity. You take MDMA to dance and laugh and smile? (And fuck) Your are taking DRUGS! You take MDMA to cope with PTSD? Medicine dear boy, medicine.

Medicine good

Drugs bad

Christiano Ronaldo knows.

 

[backroll]

No one has to be arse raped by their dad to take LSD...lol! That is very funny but I hope you can read my post (s) and understand that i'm far from being one of the narrow minded folk on this website.

Just because I'm an ex smack head doesn't mean I don't find something like Psilocybin or K hole sex one of the most devastatingly profound things on the planet.

Equally you don't have to have taken DMT to be part of a certain drug clique. I'm surprised at the reaction to my post, I guess you haven't checked that my meager number of posts have been made across this whole website, not just in the smack and crack threads8)

That's the problem with gear...it changes your brain to make you talk about it too fucking often, and makes people judgmental. It pisses me off as much as you I swear!

Yesterday I bought 10 potentially dangerous and hideously untested flubromazepam and immediately took 4x4mg caps. Does that make me cool and hedonistic??!!
No, but I have done and I'm having fun. Drugs are what you make them.
That's the problem with the internet: Subjectivity v's Apparent objectivity. Good luck with that match!

Sometimes hedonism leads to dark places. We can't always be on Easter Island on New Years Eve full of dennis the menaces.

SHM we posted at the same time...but yes I think we are of the same opinion. Thank god! It's so miserable being gunned down online! It shouldn't be though should it?! Shit my therapist will hate me saying should! Whoops!

 

[backroll]

^

Christiano Ronaldo knows.

I used to work in the same building as the Portuguese embassy in Manchester. Occasionally (very occasionally) there would be the situation where we (cristiano and me) were both waiting for the lift together. If I didn't have a fart ready I would take the stairs and stare at him pathetically. But if I was carrying wind then that winking fucker got all the gas I could give him!

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I was talking about the BL persona Christian Ronaldo but great story anyway BR.

 

[backroll]

ha ha! whoops! pleased the story got an opportunity to spread it's wings a bit anyway!

Flubromazepam is extremely interesting by the way folks.........................................

 

[Kronos]

Flubromazepam is extremely interesting by the way folks.........................................

Elaborate :D