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You give goooooooooood smut, Marmz. Nighty 
Like Ismene, I'm of the opinion that 'comedowns' are mostly in the mind. Uness of course you stay up all night and carry on through the next day, in which case any drug will make you feel like utter shite. Especially if you're not eating / hydrating yourself properly.
But yeah - a couple of benzos, a drink and a spliff at the end of the night and I was fresh as a daisy the next day.
And since I've answered that - good morning EADD people. Calm night, I see. Good stuff.
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Mental Kenny
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I'm not sure I can agree with this, I mean staying up all night is pretty much a given with 4-FA unless you're dosing early in the morning, for me stimulant comedowns, with the exception of MDMA, are mostly felt in the body, not the mind. Back pain, kidney pain, feeling like you've been poisoned, sweats, shaking, chills, inability to just lie down and relax. 4-FA does have a toxic feeling with repeated dosing, which for me are pretty much inevitable.
That's why I recommend benzos and booze (in sensible quantities). Stay up all night on anything and you'll feel sketchy eventually.
Not redosing within 4-6 hours before you intend to sleep also helps.
Mental Kenny
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Fair enough.
I think ColtDan should go ahead and buy some Kratom as well, for me it's by far the best comedown remedy, especially for serotonergics(can actually make you shakier and sketchier on pv comedowns for some reason), brings back the euphoria massively, relaxes you and to a certain extent even takes away the urge to redose(well the first few times).
Mental Kenny
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I've had oxy a fair few times on comedowns, yet I still feel Kratom is the best option for when coming down on MDMA/4-FA/Methylone, there's something about it, I feel in a way it's serotonergic on its own, also the fact that it's slightly stimulating helps, it has a peculiar ability of bringing back the euphoria and good vibes. I first tried it after I stopped smoking weed as I needed something for MDMA/pill comedown, I swear the first time I tried it it literaly worked better than if I had more MD, felt loved up again, enjoying myself, the jitterness was gone.
After I started taking it every day obviously I grew tolerant to it, but really, normally I wouldn't touch any serotinin releasing upper unless I have kratom as well, as I said it doesn't mix as well with other stimulants, for instance with pv it can actually make the shakes worse.
Mental Kenny
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I mean don't get me wrong, when I first tried it I was completely opiate-naive, I had never tried any opiate with the exception of codeine, which I never liked and never got any worthwhile effects from even at higher doses. At first it was literally just a comedown remedy, then it sort of crept up on me as a daily habit, mostly because of its ability to completely eliminate my social anxiety and its anti-depressive properties. If you had extensive experience with strong opiates, there is a good chance you won't feel much from it and won't like it, especially given its considerable cost.
However as something to take on a comedown, is really nice and effective. It goes amazingly well with psychedelics as well, especially tryptamines, I didn't mention it before but a few teaspoons while on AMT made me feel better than boshing a whole OC 80 to myself. Not joking, maybe I have some natural affinity for it, but if I were to be stranded on a desert island and had to choose between a lifetime supply of oxy or a few kratom trees I can harvest leaves from, I'd pick the kratom, no jokes.
It's a plant I have researched quite a bit, I think it's a bit sad and reductive that people only see it as an opiate-alternative, it has much more to it than that, the alkaloid structure changes quite a bit between strains, depending on where they were harvested or from what part of the tree they were taken from(higher branches, lower branches, older trees and so on). But yeah if you're taking on its own expecting to get a nod or that "in your face" rush you get from pharma opiates you'll be let down. It's lovely in its own peculiarity.
pinkpapaver
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sounds exactly like what i'm after. i take heroin to function, sleep stop anxiety. i don't have the time or will to gouch out. i like life in soft focus, and quite frankly other people prefer me in soft focus. (i get asked "!what are you on?" "i'll have what you've had" when all i've had is a cup of tea) i must research this kratom stuff. is it legal?
Morning PinkP & everyone else whose up. Well done to Villa for sticking it to Norwich,always nice seeing them lose.
Freezing here today but no snow. Got appt at DSP at 10am,good to know my urine test will be clean of heroin but they might have something to say about the benzos that are bound to show up.
Have a good day people.
Freezing here today but no snow. Got appt at DSP at 10am,good to know my urine test will be clean of heroin but they might have something to say about the benzos that are bound to show up.
Have a good day people.
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Yeah, that's how I've been with buprenorphine lately. I won't say for how long, but it's been too long.
Damn. Well maybe that counts it out, though I hear good things about its efficacy for treating withdrawals.
Intriguing. Maybe one day when my tolerance is down.
EDIT: Mornin' maxalfie! Best of luck. Perhaps invent a story about being given a vallie in A&E or summat?
Morning Sam, setting off there in few mins. I tested positive for benzos last time 3 months ago and I just was honest and told them I'd bought some off a mate and they were ok with me about it.
Of course I told them I'd taken less than I actually had. I don't know if the test can give them any idea if you've only had a few or that you've been taking quite a few each week.
Will see what they say today.
Of course I told them I'd taken less than I actually had. I don't know if the test can give them any idea if you've only had a few or that you've been taking quite a few each week.
Will see what they say today.
Fingers crossed for you anyway. If they were alright with it last time then I don't see them taking issue this time. Honesty is the best policy anyway.
Not sure how the testing works either, but I would've thought they'd just check for the presence of a substance rather than concentrations etc. Though I could well be wrong.
Also, imagine if you had a nightmare in which Nirvana reformed, only Paul McCartney took Kurt Cobain's place...
Kill me now.
Not sure how the testing works either, but I would've thought they'd just check for the presence of a substance rather than concentrations etc. Though I could well be wrong.
Also, imagine if you had a nightmare in which Nirvana reformed, only Paul McCartney took Kurt Cobain's place...
Kill me now.
jancrow
Bluelighter
Augh! That's pretty bogging. What next? Beasties reunion with Neil Diamond standing in for Yauch?
Mental Kenny
Bluelighter
^They can't be serious
How the hell is he going to sound remotely like kurt cobain?!?!?!!??!!? He was bloody atrocious at the olympics. His singing days are well and truly over imo.