Gibberings CXIV: The nuts are acceptable here all year round

[Myshkin]

Ehm, Chicago house? Detroit techno? Music made decades ago, still played out today. There's plenty of utter shite guitar music that won't be heard 6 months after it's released, never mind 20 years later - exact same with 'dance' music.

Oh, I agree. And as it happens, the only real 'dance' music (apart from industrial) that I have time for was all made in the late eighties and early nineties - KLF and The Orb are up there with a lot of my favourites, regardless of genre. Truly timeless stuff.

Unfortunately, the media and the record companies made 'dance' (which is a ridiculously nebulous term, I know) into the 'pop' style in the nineties (because it was cheaper) and fucked it up for many people to the extent that they find a 4/4 beat utterly alienating.

 

[maxalfie]

I'm sorry PTCH mate but I am never gonna be convinced to like that sort of music.
Give me a rock band or something like that and I am happy mate.
I enjoyed some of the rave music when I was doing E in the mid to late 90's but once the drugs stopped being good so did the music.

 

[knock]

It makes perfect sense, maxalfie can't recall hearing any detroit techno on the radio lately but he does hear The Mamas and the Papas or whatever.

Being on the radio isn't really what it's about though, maxalfie. It's dance music, you listen to it at "raves" or in clubs. There are plenty DJs who do play 20-year old Detroit techno and plenty people who dance to it.

Also, when I called DJ wankers, that didn't mean the good ones don't have skills and talents that take a long time to develop. It's not just about beat matching, to do it well you need to know the structures of the tracks, know which tracks will mix well together and obviously you need to be good at playing with knobs.

 

[maxalfie]

You got it right there Knock, I know I don't hear it on the radio etc but if I went to a club then I may well hear some.
As far as talent goes, I'm sure some must be really talented DJs and can match beats etc but I can also go out and buy electronic gadgetry that can do all of that for me. I've also seen gadgets than will show you where exactly you can mix in the beats from 2 decks.
As far as I am aware nothing can play the guitar for you.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Oh, I agree. And as it happens, the only real 'dance' music (apart from industrial) that I have time for was all made in the late eighties and early nineties - KLF and The Orb are up there with a lot of my favourites, regardless of genre. Truly timeless stuff.

Unfortunately, the media and the record companies made 'dance' (which is a ridiculously nebulous term, I know) into the 'pop' style in the nineties (because it was cheaper) and fucked it up for many people to the extent that they find a 4/4 beat utterly alienating.

Very true. KLF are still better than 99% of the shit that gets produced today.

I'm sorry PTCH mate but I am never gonna be convinced to like that sort of music.
Give me a rock band or something like that and I am happy mate.
I enjoyed some of the rave music when I was doing E in the mid to late 90's but once the drugs stopped being good so did the music.

Na, I'm sorry. You're being incredibly short-sighted but fair enough. To say "that sort of music" as if it's all the same is like me classing "a rock band" as automatically being shite because I don't like Travis. Sam at least understands it a bit better & has went to a bit of effort to not just make a sweeping generalisation about dozens of genres of music (a lot of which he, certainly you, probably has never heard)

Being on the radio isn't really what it's about though, maxalfie.

Spot on as well. I'd be very hard pushed to find any music that I like on the radio right now, whether that be techno, house, hip hop, metal, funk, indie etc. If I wanted some pop music then aye, the radio is where I'd go, if I wanted 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's & beyond pop music then I'd listen to the radio.

As far as talent goes, I'm sure some must be really talented DJs and can match beats etc but I can also go out and buy electronic gadgetry that can do all of that for me. I've also seen gadgets than will show you where exactly you can mix in the beats from 2 decks.

Beatmatching is a basic skill, like plucking a string on a guitar. Anyone can play 1 chord, not anyone can play a belting guitar solo. Anyone can learn to beatmatch, not anyone can have full control of a crowd over a few hours. Beatmatching is not where the "talent" is. You're also totally overlooking the fact that 99% of DJs who have made any sort of a "name" for themselves are also producers (ie, they make the music that themselves & other DJs play out).

 

[knock]

Robot playing guitar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8WJu6MNfSg

 

[missing old pills]

Oooh, get you!

They may still be 'the standard', but even I know the market has been flooded with purpose-built decks for at least twenty years or so.

A lot of long-discontinued analogue synths are still in use and regarded as 'the standard', but only a minority of people out there performing actually use them or could afford them. Get what I mean?



After the trauma of meeting jancrow, I'm wary of meeting a BLer ever again. Though I'll make an exception for you, Moppers.

Cheeky Bugger I should think so too!
I'll pm you my number, be careful with it though everyone will want it

 

[parttime crackhead]

Robot playing guitar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8WJu6MNfSg

Hahaha! Yas %)

maxalfie - it's quite clear that you don't really know what you're talking about. Which is fine, if you're not into that kind of music then why should you, but at least be aware that you don't know much about it & don't try to comment as though you do.

 

[maxalfie]

Plenty of metal on Kerrang radio. I didn't mean to totally write off your music by what I said.
I'm sure that if I sat down and listened to some of it then I probably would come across the odd track I would like.
I dont have limited taste in music. I've seen Metallica,Judas Priest and plenty of metal bands live but I've also seen LL Cool J, Public Enemy and Erik B & Rakim live plus I have a very varied music collection.
Cannibal Corpse to Marvin Gaye and a bit of everything in between.
My intention isn't to dismiss everything you love about yr music as I'm aware how passionate folk get about the music they love as I'm exactly the same.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Kerrang radio isn't on my radio. If you're opening it up to the world of digital/internet radio then you can find anything you want. I'm talking about FM/AM. I wouldn't be able to find 1 song I like on that right now & when someone talks about "radio" that's what I think of, otherwise radio could mean anything, you could find some French Hard-Tek (or whatever the fuck they call that shit) on the "radio" right now.

 

[knock]

Kerrang radio isn't on my radio. If you're opening it up to the world of digital/internet radio then you can find anything you want. I'm talking about FM/AM. I wouldn't be able to find 1 song I like on that right now & when someone talks about "radio" that's what I think of.

Ditto. This is why my radios are all tuned to Radio 4 and I listen to Woman's Hour.

Oddly, sometimes I hear music I like on Radio 4 which isn't a music station, because they do the odd documentary about interesting bands. Once a year I might hear music I like.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I don't own a radio.

Or a TV.

There's a TV in the house but I only use it for occasionally playing Xbox. I don't think there's even a radio in the house at all, other than car radios but they're not optional (or technically in the house I suppose lol).

 

[knock]

I don't own a radio.

Or a TV.

There's a TV in the house but I only use it for occasionally playing Xbox. I don't think there's even a radio in the house at all, other than car radios but they're not optional (or technically in the house I suppose lol).

You've got your fair share of posts in the TV thread, Mr TV Cultural Highground!

 

[maxalfie]

Kerrang radio isn't on my radio. If you're opening it up to the world of digital/internet radio then you can find anything you want. I'm talking about FM/AM. I wouldn't be able to find 1 song I like on that right now & when someone talks about "radio" that's what I think of, otherwise radio could mean anything, you could find some French Hard-Tek (or whatever the fuck they call that shit) on the "radio" right now.

It would have been nice for you to read all of my post and to recognize i was trying to say sorry if I offended you.
Why you accept all other digital technology into your life but yet you don't include the radio. That's moved on also.

 

[knock]

It would have been nice for you to read all of my post and to recognize i was trying to say sorry if I offended you.
Why you accept all other digital technology into your life but yet you don't include the radio. That's moved on also.

PT doesn't do polite conversation, have you not noticed

 

[maxalfie]

PT doesn't do polite conversation, have you not noticed

I don't mind PTCH as we usually get on ok but I obviously touched a nerve with what I said.
But I hold no grudge,I've done my years of being an angry young man.
Peaceful is the way I live these days.
Off to get script fronm Tesco.
Adios.

 

[parttime crackhead]

It would have been nice for you to read all of my post and to recognize i was trying to say sorry if I offended you.
Why you accept all other digital technology into your life but yet you don't include the radio. That's moved on also.

Lol, sorry. I was just making a point on what I class as "the radio", I wasn't having a go. I see "internet radio" & "digital radio" as different from "the radio" because saying "you wouldn't hear it on the radio" or "that sounds like something you'd hear on the radio" & including internet radio is daft as you could literally hear anything at all on internet radio seeing as I could set-up an internet radio station right now for free.

Knock - Re: TV. I watch TV programmes, but only the ones I choose to watch (ie, by downloading them or going on iPlayer, or 4od before they made it shit - was watching it in my mate's the other day & it was trying to get us to watch 6 adverts 10 minutes into an episode of something!).

 

[knock]

Knock - Re: TV. I watch TV programmes, but only the ones I choose to watch (ie, by downloading them or going on iPlayer or 4od before they made it shit).

Same here, my TV is usually switched off, the idea of sitting in front of the telly channel hopping for six hours every night makes me feel physically ill*. But as I prefer to watch on a fuck off plasma, whether downloaded, broadcast or on a disc, I own a TV.

* OK the idea doesn't but actually doing it does make me uncomfortable.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I think 3D porn exists.

Same here, my TV is usually switched off, the idea of sitting in front of the telly channel hopping for six hours every night makes me feel physically ill*. But as I prefer to watch on a fuck off plasma, whether downloaded, broadcast or on a disc, I own a TV.

* OK the idea doesn't but actually doing it does make me uncomfortable.

I was flicking through TV channels in my pal's flat on Friday (made the mistake of turning up about half an hour later than I said I would, instead of 3 hours later - 2 birds, clearly still nowhere near ready) for about half an hour & that was plenty. I can't help but change the channel every 30 seconds, it's brutal.

 

[knock]

I'm hurt and offended nobody commented on my UV bubble machine, it is easily the coolest thing I have bought in years. I'm going to Deep Web the shit out of all of you.

I commented on it. Just to say I had no idea what you were on about, but it was a real comment, and I meant it.