How does rolling change as people mature?

[Innerpeace]

I know most people are young here and I first have to state my deep belief after experience with mdma (and quite a few fake pills) in 1999-2000, where stuff was much much purer than now a days and the likelihoods of getting a good mdma pill was much greater, even regional (The best place was around daytona beach back in those days, those pills were purer than many other locations I came across)

anyways onto my belief 2x's a year max for the experienced user. 4x's a year max for the beginner, once every 3-4 months, yes I know for beginners you want t to feel that way every weekend, trust me from experience, you get much more out of it if you wait, feels 10x's better so learn to practice delayed gratification because if you cant not control you emotions, it will control you, and I have been there! Its not pretty when you feel really bad from too much abuse.

with all that said, It may seem to be a pattern many many people stop rolling after they abuse the stuff, and turn their back on mdma. Once every weekend is too much I have seen people do this for for years on end or a few times a week for a year because they simply have messed up their brains and get nothing out of it. and they seem like there brains are not working right when talking to them. have you seen the documentory on mtv where the girl used it all the time and had holes in her brain. now was that caused by mdma or did she just get bad pills with other stuff or did she have them before? we do not know. We do know the monkey studies which were controlled with pure pharmaceutal mdma shows high dosing for a long time causes brain damage and moderate dosing taking breaks is fine.

I know this is common knowledge to some of you who know your stuff and I have seen so many people on these forums stating they are doing it once a week or so. Over time this can cause brain damage, esp the high dosing and frequent dose, studies have been done on this in monkeys. On the other hand if you intelligently and responsibly use once every 3 months or longer for the first ten times and after that once every 6 months or longer, youll benefit much greater. The situation is people are doing it without cause, it was used, when it was legal to help a person get through a traumatic event , so use it sparingly, that is why the stuff was banned, people were using ti without cause and causing brain damage. I have used it recreation-ally sometimes up to 4x;s weekly in my younger years. I am older than most of you I assume, and when still in the younger age catagory, it very well may have done brain damage and If it did my brain has reversed from many years of a break, I believe.

If you have abused, take a couple or few years year break. Many people may seem to have got away all together from it and now a days, after there int-ital beginners phase and it is much better if a person is educated and can enjoy it better by doing it few and far between

(those above 4x's a year from beginners and 2x's a year from experienced people are just a guideline to use) Hopefully it can be made legal again and people can educate themselves. It would be nice if pharmacies sold it 2x's a year, id'd and kept a file in the system how many times people a year buy it, and give the dosing according to body weight of the person. The Pharm companies would make more more, we would cut down on deaths that kill people from containment ed dangerous drugs in the pills.

 

[Renz Envy]

You're asking why people are quit rolling?

MDMA is not that addictive. The neurotoxicity and rewiring of serotonin from use has a lot to do with "loss of magic" over long periods of time. I've heard of responsible MDMA users going for 10 or more years.

It's also environment, people in their 30s probably do not want to be seen with pupils the size of golf balls, hanging out with a bunch of late teens/early twenties.

As for MDMA putting "holes in your brain", that's dirty, funded propaganda with no scientific backing.

 

[augustaB]

Hi innerpeace. I'm an older roller (over 65). I still enjoy a roll once or twice a year. I suppose it's part of the ageing process really, I just don't feel that urge to do anything too disruptive any more.

 

[matt2012]

I quit MDMA when I was 20 but only by default....I moved away from all my connects. after a while of not doing any drugs I began to notice how bad the adverse effects were and decided I better not do anymore drugs at least until the adverse effects went away. 1-2 years latter I finally felt back to my old self again. but after all the bad effects I just didn't want to go back to being "etarded" so I stayed away. now, in my 30's, I would like to try MDMA but I don't fit the rave scene anymore and have too much to risk by copping on the street like my house and job, insurance...ect. maybe someday MDMA will fall into my lap and I will be able to enjoy it again but right now it is not in the cards.

 

[camofmach]

I hate the drug just thinking of it now makes me feel sick..

 

[Innerpeace]

You're asking why people are quit rolling?

MDMA is not that addictive. The neurotoxicity and rewiring of serotonin from use has a lot to do with "loss of magic" over long periods of time. I've heard of responsible MDMA users going for 10 or more years.

It's also environment, people in their 30s probably do not want to be seen with pupils the size of golf balls, hanging out with a bunch of late teens/early twenties.

As for MDMA putting "holes in your brain", that's dirty, funded propaganda with no scientific backing.

No i am not asking I am saying like matt has commented , people that once rolled have moved on and dont feel comfortable taking the same risks, plus the fact that pills are way dirtierand faker now a days than 10-11 years ago

and yes those monkey studies are real. I have been studying it , sometimes takign breaks for a good twelve years. that is why it is banned, people were using it without cause and uneducated on it, just like the reason why most other drugs are banned, ignorant people abusing it

Hi innerpeace. I'm an older roller (over 65). I still enjoy a roll once or twice a year. I suppose it's part of the ageing process really, I just don't feel that urge to do anything too disruptive any more.

Good to hear. was it legal when you first started? why did you first start it? how old were you when you started doing it? how often did you do it? I think that is great that you are an intelligent responsible user

I quit MDMA when I was 20 but only by default....I moved away from all my connects. after a while of not doing any drugs I began to notice how bad the adverse effects were and decided I better not do anymore drugs at least until the adverse effects went away. 1-2 years latter I finally felt back to my old self again. but after all the bad effects I just didn't want to go back to being "etarded" so I stayed away. now, in my 30's, I would like to try MDMA but I don't fit the rave scene anymore and have too much to risk by copping on the street like my house and job, insurance...ect. maybe someday MDMA will fall into my lap and I will be able to enjoy it again but right now it is not in the cards.

I agree it took me 1-2 years to get back to feeling "normal" I am with you, in my thirties , while I look young, thank god, I dont fit the scene. Me friend who I rolled with the first time is still around and has not done it in many years like myself and we have talked about it. Now a days testing kits are mandatory back in 1999-2000, more 1999, when ecstacy pills tested 50% mdma /mda/mde, some years in 2007-8 they were in the teens, and so far this year, which is almost over, only 24 % of all pills tested contain mdma/mde or mda I feel you on taking those big risks now a days when you have a wife, family, home etc

I mean the way society brainwashes people ,it is hard to convince anyone or even talk about it with friends that dont know about it, even your own girlfriend or wife. I talked about it with my last girlfriend and she thought it was the devil.

 

[Innerpeace]

I hate the drug just thinking of it now makes me feel sick..

please stay out of this thread then.

 

[timps]

I'm almost 50 and still use mdma occasionally, probably a couple of times a year. I've used it on and off since the mid 80s, but abused it quite a bit from around 2002 to 2007, due to it being really cheap and easily available at the time. You could say I lost the magic back then. I made a decision to use only occasionally, and to use 200mg or less in a session. Gradually the good effects returned and the come downs became easier.
Now I'd only use it on special occasions and in situations where it really fits well. I've no intention of stopping using it completely, but won't return to frequent or high dose use again.
Obviously I wish I'd not abused it so much, and that I'd not used excuses like lower quality as a reason to dose higher.

 

[Foreigner]

I quit it due to abuse and now it doesn't really work on me anyway, but I have met a lot of people who quit doing it because the recovery time just kept getting more and more until finally they didn't want to deal with it anymore. When I was 18-20 years old I could do MDMA and recover in a mere couple of days, and then be ready to repeat the process next weekend at a party. Now if I even do one weekend of hard partying I feel like the walking dead for a lot longer. I save my benders for very special occasions, and even then I moderate my use and combine it with proper lifestyle approaches.

I know that most drugs aren't without some after effects but MDMA just seems like a trap to me in a lot of ways. The come up is amazing but you pay for it heavily later. That was the main reason why I stopped. I now do it once a year, if that, and I have to combine it with something else like MDA for it to work.

One other reason why I don't do MDMA as often is because I have a lot more responsibility in my life right now and I can't afford to be "off" for very long. Even after the initial recovery of doing something like MDMA, I still have weeks where I don't feel quite grounded, and that can impact my work. So I only do MDMA when I'm at a week long festival or in some fun environment where I have zero responsibilities to worry about.

 

[augustaB]

Hi Innerpeace. I first rolled when I was 58, it was not legal. I had a traumatic experience with lsd on my 21st birthday and I avoided drugs for a long time.

 

[Innerpeace]

I'm almost 50 and still use mdma occasionally, probably a couple of times a year. I've used it on and off since the mid 80s, but abused it quite a bit from around 2002 to 2007, due to it being really cheap and easily available at the time. You could say I lost the magic back then. I made a decision to use only occasionally, and to use 200mg or less in a session. Gradually the good effects returned and the come downs became easier.
Now I'd only use it on special occasions and in situations where it really fits well. I've no intention of stopping using it completely, but won't return to frequent or high dose use again.
Obviously I wish I'd not abused it so much, and that I'd not used excuses like lower quality as a reason to dose higher.

testing kits werent aviable untill 2008-2009 right? how do you know those pills werent bunk. check out pill testing statistics, early mid 2000's is when pills started testing for no mde/mda/mdma in them, and 2007 was a bad year. 2012 has improved a bit since the 2009-2011 and still it has been bad. over 75 % of all ecstacy pills tested this year have came out bad meaning no mde/mda or mdma , let alone pure mdma.

Thank you for posting your experience. I do think taking a long break and letting your brain "heal" itself a person can regain the magic, in my opinion,they just have to dose few and far between. I agree it is best for special occasions and the correct setting. We all regret abusing the stuff when we were simply ignorant and did not know better. We would have had much more fun if we spaced out dosing by 3-4 months the first ten times and once every 6 months thereafter. This is one of the reasons I write this to educate beginners from my mess ups

I quit it due to abuse and now it doesn't really work on me anyway, but I have met a lot of people who quit doing it because the recovery time just kept getting more and more until finally they didn't want to deal with it anymore. When I was 18-20 years old I could do MDMA and recover in a mere couple of days, and then be ready to repeat the process next weekend at a party. Now if I even do one weekend of hard partying I feel like the walking dead for a lot longer. I save my benders for very special occasions, and even then I moderate my use and combine it with proper lifestyle approaches.

I know that most drugs aren't without some after effects but MDMA just seems like a trap to me in a lot of ways. The come up is amazing but you pay for it heavily later. That was the main reason why I stopped. I now do it once a year, if that, and I have to combine it with something else like MDA for it to work.

One other reason why I don't do MDMA as often is because I have a lot more responsibility in my life right now and I can't afford to be "off" for very long. Even after the initial recovery of doing something like MDMA, I still have weeks where I don't feel quite grounded, and that can impact my work. So I only do MDMA when I'm at a week long festival or in some fun environment where I have zero responsibilities to worry about.

sorry to hear it doesnt work anymores. maybe its not for you. I agree on taking a vacation and not doing work a week after rolling is preferable. Many people seem to like to visit a good friend and roll together away from home or go on vacation while doing this

Hi Innerpeace. I first rolled when I was 58, it was not legal. I had a traumatic experience with lsd on my 21st birthday and I avoided drugs for a long time.

Yeah Its a good tool to use for traumatic experiences. Many people use it without cause. have a reason to use it and dont just say I wanna get messed up. It could be bonding with a friend, face a traumatic experience, or to just be on vacation on a night on the town with someone you trust, whatever the case I am glad some of you older members agree with me on dosing very few and far between, and I have not hit middle aged yet. I was 20 last time I rolled and that was 2000, that gives you an idea of my age

 

[shezinphx]

Started when I was 19 (2001-2004). Eventually just matured out once the comedowns started to become a problem. Now I limit it once per year if that. I have too many responsibilities to even give up one day.

 

[Innerpeace]

Started when I was 19 (2001-2004). Eventually just matured out once the comedowns started to become a problem. Now I limit it once per year if that. I have too many responsibilities to even give up one day.

I think that is very responsible.

I agree. I have many more responsibilities now a days verses 19 and 20. ie money, time spent with family, goals to work toward, I have matured That said, when us more settled dare I say older younger people do get to actually "indulge" it is much more meaningful than before and I think its more enjoyable because
1. we never get to get away from home and when we do-wowowow I like to do mine on vacation away from my hometown in a place tropical
2. It provides a healthy escape and lets the steam off , a release from all the responibilites we have
3. we bond with TRUSTED people we roll with.... we all know those trusted friends we love and roll with are friends for life

I would be lucky if I did it once a year. It has been eleven years for me and I want to do it so bad ; although, I have more important things which allow me to not even try. Hopefully someday =)

 

[timps]

testing kits werent aviable untill 2008-2009 right? how do you know those pills werent bunk. check out pill testing statistics, early mid 2000's is when pills started testing for no mde/mda/mdma in them, and 2007 was a bad year. 2012 has improved a bit since the 2009-2011 and still it has been bad. over 75 % of all ecstacy pills tested this year have came out bad meaning no mde/mda or mdma , let alone pure mdma.

Thank you for posting your experience. I do think taking a long break and letting your brain "heal" itself a person can regain the magic, in my opinion,they just have to dose few and far between. I agree it is best for special occasions and the correct setting. We all regret abusing the stuff when we were simply ignorant and did not know better. We would have had much more fun if we spaced out dosing by 3-4 months the first ten times and once every 6 months thereafter. This is one of the reasons I write this to educate beginners from my mess ups



I think I started using a Marquis kit in about 2006, once bunk pills became common. By then I was hardly using pills as I had no problem getting mdma in rock form, so it was unlikely to be cut. It always tested straight to black usually with a bit of smoke. I'd always buy plenty in those days too, as I could it for around £15 a gram if I bought a few. Cheap availability made it easy to overdo and I would pretty much always use 0.5g minimum in a session, sometime a fair bit more. This year I've probably used 0.4g in total, at the very most.
I'm pleased to hear you give out good advice to others. I've been known to go on a bit to novice users.
I guess I'm fortunate that I've been able to regain some of the magic, and using small doses a couple of times a year the magic is getting stronger not weaker.

 

[augustaB]

Another more material reason why older people stop rolling is that they no longer have the contacts needed for scoring drugs.

 

[webguy]

There are a lot of different issues in this thread. I only know the scene I know, one in which for 16 years from my mid-40s to my current age (early 60s) I have used MDMA. My group of friends has not experienced a big drop off in pill quality. We still listen to much the same music, even though a couple people bitch and moan about how we need to "get some music from THIS century." A couple of people in this group of about 15 people have quit... but they actually had bad alcohol problems and needed to clean out for reasons other than MDMA. The rest of us still enjoy the E party largely as we always have done it: a private home, darkened, loud rock music, a spa/hot tub, etc. We dance just like we always did. About the only difference from the younger scene (as far as I can tell) is that we do it in the evening and go to sleep around 1:00 AM, where younger rollers party all night. Keep it to about four times a year and you can enjoy life and E forever.

 

[parachuteantics]

I had my first MDMA experience when 21, now I am 22. I continue using MDMA with my boyfriend who is 29. I defineltly abused it without realizing the nasty and possible long term effects until I had a terrible MDMA hangover. I then researched and became very educated on MDMA, realizing I had definelty overdone it within that first year of trying it. I took it 10+ times in one year, usually with a month break in between, but went to a music festival and did it about 3 times over the weekend festival. After a break of 6 months, I feel I have regained what I have had before. I already had anxiety issues to begin with, so after experiencing an intense MDMA hangover, I was very depressed, legatheric, loss of concentration, anxiety most days. I still have yet to roll since those 6 months as I am kind of a afraid of experiencing those same effects, so I might continue to wait for another 6 months to roll.

I also have the knowlegde now of how to prevent some nuerotoxcity by taking lower doses, pre-loading on viatmins, taking 5-HTP so for when I do roll, I am ready. The problem is my boyfriend, never experienced any hangover effects. He continues to roll on an almost monthy basis. I have informed him on the long term dangers but he continues anyway, beleving that it's a bunch of propoganda. He also spoke with his psychologist who said that "using it occasionally is fine and will not have long term effects." He totally believes his psychologist so I just try to help him with harm reduction by giving him viatmins, 5-htp, etc before/after rolls. I am worried he will never get the hint...:/

Anyway, basically, I will continue to have MDMA in my future, my personal favorite drug. BUT also want to retain the "magic" of it and also try to enjoy it the healthiest way possible so I can have it a couple times a year. I don't think I will ever stop having MDMA as long as I can enjoy it a healthy manner, it's best drug experience I have ever felt. But I agree with the above poster, I think things change as you mature. For me, I would like to have responible intake so I can enjoy in the future. I know a lot of people between 20-30 who take it very regaularly and I don't think they realize the long term effects of that type of useage and I bet in a couple of years, they will say they can no longer roll anymore.

 

[electrodevo]

Another more material reason why older people stop rolling is that they no longer have the contacts needed for scoring drugs.

That's a biggie. It was pretty easy for me to obtain good quality MDMA pills in the late 1990s when I was regularly going to all night raves. The scene, however, fell apart... everyone grew up... and now, MDMA is quite a bit more difficult to obtain for me, I don't have friends into this sort of thing unfortunately.

As a result, I "roll" occasionally with RCs. They're not the same as MDMA at all though (well 6-APB is in the ballpark), but as mentioned above, MDMA can be hard to fit into adulthood which is quite loaded with responsibilities in the first place. As you age, you do need a bit more time for recovery for a deep MDMA trip and it sometimes can be hard to take off one day.

Which is why the one RC that fit me was methylone. Hardly the same depth as MDMA, quite different in many ways... but the short duration and relative mildness really made it a "businessman's roll" for lack of a better term, very easy to fit into a normal adult life.

If I had access to MDMA, I'd still want some for the occasional full experience. I'd be happier still if an MDMA clone was developed that was shorter and didn't wipe you out (and had more depth than methylone). We all can dream, right?

 

[StrutterGear]

My missus interviewed me for her dissertation on people's MDMA drug use and I'll tell you my answer when she asked

"Do you think you'll ever stop doing MDMA and drugs in general?"

I will probably reduce my consumption of all drugs when I get my job once I finish uni, but I will not stop. Drugs are my relief and even though I think I have been affected academically (takes longer for me to write essays, cant bang out one in a couple hours anymore) and it's definitely affected my short term memory (which was fucking awful anyway). But it has given me so much more back in terms of shaping my personality for the better, and it's fucking good fun ! Would I rather get on MDMA and ketamine in the safety of my own home with my good friends than getting bladdered on the weekend and getting in a fight? Yes. I dunno what I'll be like when I'm 40, but most certainly throughout my 20's I'll be getting on it.

You take the good with the bad and I can say MDMA has positively affected my life, and if you practice good HR then you too should get these benefits.

I know some people get fucked up on MDMA and it's a real shame, but drugs are risky. People have gone for a couple pints and woken up dead. Life is a gamble.

 

[JWills20]

My missus interviewed me for her dissertation on people's MDMA drug use and I'll tell you my answer when she asked

"Do you think you'll ever stop doing MDMA and drugs in general?"

I will probably reduce my consumption of all drugs when I get my job once I finish uni, but I will not stop. Drugs are my relief and even though I think I have been affected academically (takes longer for me to write essays, cant bang out one in a couple hours anymore) and it's definitely affected my short term memory (which was fucking awful anyway). But it has given me so much more back in terms of shaping my personality for the better, and it's fucking good fun ! Would I rather get on MDMA and ketamine in the safety of my own home with my good friends than getting bladdered on the weekend and getting in a fight? Yes. I dunno what I'll be like when I'm 40, but most certainly throughout my 20's I'll be getting on it.

You take the good with the bad and I can say MDMA has positively affected my life, and if you practice good HR then you too should get these benefits.

I know some people get fucked up on MDMA and it's a real shame, but drugs are risky. People have gone for a couple pints and woken up dead. Life is a gamble.

Entirely agree. MDMA may have some have some down-sides but, with responsible use it has only given positive outcomes and i'm so happy I was able to gather balls and try it. I'm a massive believer that if everyone tried it just once and never again - the world would be a better place. That drug gave me feelings of happiness, love and empathy that I couldn't even begin to fathom previously.