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How does rolling change as people mature?

JWills20 said:
Entirely agree. MDMA may have some have some down-sides but, with responsible use it has only given positive outcomes and i'm so happy I was able to gather balls and try it. I'm a massive believer that if everyone tried it just once and never again - the world would be a better place. That drug gave me feelings of happiness, love and empathy that I couldn't even begin to fathom previously.
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Totally agree with this bit, I generally just took life a little easier instead of getting stressed out. Had some fucking awesome nights just being so happy that I forgot about usual day to day shit!
 
StrutterGear said:
Totally agree with this bit, I generally just took life a little easier instead of getting stressed out. Had some fucking awesome nights just being so happy that I forgot about usual day to day shit!
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I agree with this as well. I could never do it again and still be a better person because of the first time, just that one time changed my life generally speaking for for the better, helping to open my perspective from years of social programming.
 
i don't roll any more cos mdma bores me to tears.

Also, i always wear a hat, and I've been told it's a very dangerous and foolish combo.
 
"age and why people stop rolling"

i think because of where it comes from. the more responsibility you get the less you can have certain people in your life. e is illegal in the us so it tends to come from bad places. some people might be able to get it from safe people and know that it's safe but i think for most adults it would come from unhealthy relationships.
 
another thing is that if you use it to overcome some past trauma, or gain a new perspective on life, you might get that from the experience and then go on your happy way. like if you took it and had a revelation you might want to go out and make a change in life and then doing it again might be fun but doing what you really wanted with life would be more fun.
 
elt you make a great point that since mdma is illegal it does came from shady people (hence the fake stuff, and bad pills) That said I think there are still good people out there who make and believe in this stuff abiet taking an extreme risk making it illegally.

there is a big difference of responsible use like maybe 1-2 times a year and abuse. Abuse is why its prohibited. Researching the stuff and making sure its good, by pillreports and by testing it; although you can never totally tell if its pure, at least your in the right direction and can prevent harm reduction by making sure all the dangerous crap and fake stuff, bath salts, pma, etc are not in it that cause bad sides and some cases deaths

You make a great point though that if a person is going to break the law hardcore by making the stuff, and breaking tax laws, then what else are they doing. On the other side of the coin, it would be much better if it were legal, yet controlled. (like ephedrine you can only buy one box a month with your id at the pharmacy)
 
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I did it every weekend for a whole summer but towards the end just starting having really crappy rolls. Getting weird panic attacks while on it or vomiting. I also really hated to go out while on it, I would have rather stayed in with some good friends and listened to music and had a good conversation or something. Going out in public while rolling hard was always just awful.
 
What made me quit was a bad experience at a club two or three years ago. Up to that point E had more or less run out and become routine, predictable and boring with long, difficult recoveries lasting weeks. After the bad experience I lost all pleasant associations with the E experience and decided to take a break to get back the magic. As I started to experience the benefits of a longer term recovery after years of regular use, often monthly, I began to realize how the frequency I had used E had been holding me back and keeping me in a depressed / anxious place that had been holding me back in life and affecting my job and my family relationships.
 
Good to see some old rollers. I was pretty skeptical about doing E after a 15 year break - my memories were these nuclear strength pills of MDMA/MDEA and amphet. Turned out straight MDMA was a lot less taxing on the body - prob 90% less taxing. And after seeing Shulgin in his 80s doing E, I was like well it's not that friggin bad for you.

Glad to be still enjoying clubbing pushing 40. Helps when you look 30 though. :)
 
I can totally empathize with the etarded feeling. Being someone looked upon by literally everyone he knows as having a great of intelligence I'm really regretting my few months of rolling this summer since my mind just -really- doesn't feel close to up to snuff. Not to mention that I was also consuming mass amounts of DOI. Gah.

My question though, is whether you guys think light drinking/weed smoking would significantly impede that 1-2 year recovery? Heavy weed smoking? Psychedelics? Infrequent use with other amphetamines? And finally, what about synthetic cannabinoids?

Know of any drugs that -dont- do this to a person with weekendly type use...?
 
Siloution said:
I can totally empathize with the etarded feeling. Being someone looked upon by literally everyone he knows as having a great of intelligence I'm really regretting my few months of rolling this summer since my mind just -really- doesn't feel close to up to snuff. Not to mention that I was also consuming mass amounts of DOI. Gah.

My question though, is whether you guys think light drinking/weed smoking would significantly impede that 1-2 year recovery? Heavy weed smoking? Psychedelics? Infrequent use with other amphetamines? And finally, what about synthetic cannabinoids?

Know of any drugs that -dont- do this to a person with weekendly type use...?
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Hi Siloution. I'm a regular, if fairly light weed smoker, and use small amounts of other amphetamines. I've not found they've had an effect on my mdma recovery. I guess using mdma if I felt depleted from amphetamine use might have a negative effect. I'm not familiar with DOI, and only have a little sinthetic cannaboid experience, so can't comment on them. As for psychedelics, I can only say I've found their use positive. I've used small doses of mushrooms to combat prolonged comedowns, when 5htp and healthy eating haven't been enough.
I think the drugs which would effect recovery would be those more closely related to mdma, like the apbs or methylone.
 
stumbled across this thread from over two years ago, good information for people over 25-30 and still want to roll

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Innerpeace said:
I do think taking a long break and letting your brain "heal" itself a person can regain the magic, in my opinion,they just have to dose few and far between. I agree it is best for special occasions and the correct setting. We all regret abusing the stuff when we were simply ignorant and did not know better. We would have had much more fun if we spaced out dosing by 3-4 months the first ten times and once every 6 months thereafter. This is one of the reasons I write this to educate beginners from my mess ups



It always tested straight to black usually with a bit of smoke.
I guess I'm fortunate that I've been able to regain some of the magic, and using small doses a couple of times a year the magic is getting stronger not weaker.
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example of a person who dosed lower and more frequently and regained the magic. so happy to hear this

squarerootof23 said:
I first rolled at an older age. I was careful in how I used mdma, I was very much more interested in the self-therapy possibilities. So, I've always reflected a lot on my experiences with mdma. Looking back now, I'm surprised at how it did *not* help in ways I expected, and surprised at the ways it did. Overall, it has been a great experience, and I've had no problems from it. Now though I feel like I've gotten as much out of it as I'm likely to get. At this point, I feel like if I'm going to use it again, it will be more mainly for enjoyment.

For me, using it "mainly for enjoyment" doesn't mean taking so much that I'm nearly completely out of it, etc. I'm very interested in sharing the experience with a few others. But, for me the logistics of that are pretty staggering. So, odds are I won't be rolling very often. But I'm not willing to take mdma under almost any ol' circumstances. I have a good idea of the setting that I desire, if I have to I'll wait a long time for that setting to materialize. I really understand that for me the setting is what matters, the mdma simply enhances it. For me, mdma is the frame around the painting. I probably wouldn't be thinking this way if I were back in my 20s. But I'm long past that now.

Sorry, I'm struggling to answer the original question in the subject, "Why people stop rolling?" Maybe a way to ask the question to get at interesting insights would be to reword the question something like this: *How* does rolling change as people mature?

Why do most people tend to stop the weekend beer drinking binges in college and by the time they're in their 30s they prefer savoring a few glasses of fine wine with friends in the backyard on a quiet Friday night in the summer? Why do many people in their 20s like heavy deathmetal music, but they pretty much leave that behind when they're 40? All I can say is that as you grow - and the growing never stops - you change, for most of us our tastes, interests, etc., tend to become more refined, we tend to find more joy in family, finer things, intellectual pursuits, deepend relationships, volunteering, etc. Well, that has definitely been my experience.
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so much terrific insight in this post Thank you so much! Im bumping this so it can benefit anyone, this thread sure has benefited me greatly
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At the height of my xtc abuse, taking my last pills at the end of the weekend felt like merely switching on/ and off the light. This is what I recall of my last mdma experiences, this and weeklong recovery stages. At that point it not only lost it magic it lost it's purpose. This was probably in my 30-ies when I just dropped it and hopped over into some other substances and life events. Ironically not long after that my dealer got caught, it was in the local newspaper.

I am reflecting now on a period just turned 42 but still haven't lost the taste. I did start responsable as a teen with reasonable dosing 4x a year max. Then stopped xtc after horror stories about people dying and diverted to other drugs like coke, ephedrine, khat and the occasional dab of speed. Then got in a relationship and together started abusing the hell out of it, as my gf got an whole other philosophy on mdma. Broke every rule of knowledge I had at the time concerning harm reduction. In that pre internet area there where popular books that spread the 4x a year rule so I knew.

Well ff still like the occasional roll, but lacking the desire to get into that scene or any scene. Yes recided to rc's and although methylone is imo a perfect replacement as mentioned before as "the bussinessman roll" (what a laugh as I am unemployed). The rest is lacking and again created not hedonism but a chasing the high effect. All those apb's, 4-fa don't come close to the real thing or it's bk counterpart.

So yes I feel I will continue to have the desire to roll and suspect I will have to go through some mind excersize to not overdue it. And if possible till the day I die. Strangely all those horrible comedowns I experienced in the past, during my binging poly abuse period, seem age related for me as whatever I do now I stay functional. Not fully but at reasonable levels, mind over matter or hardened serotonin system? I don't know, but with methylone I refound the magic mdma once lost (although it involves plugging :) ) So theoratically mdma could offer it again, if it ever comes my way I report back.

My advice to young/ new rollers keep the 4X/ 2x rule at least untill you reach a point of maturity, which imo is not age related but more a mindstate. As that for me created some sort of natural wisdom around drug use and moderation. And made coping with the after effects way eassier. Anyone that can relate to this or is this something purely on the person constitution.
 
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I started rolling when I was 21, I was TERRIFIED of MDMA before that. But once I actually rolled and felt that "magic".... that BEAUTIFUL connection to my peers, feeling that all in my life is well, & I'm totally content everything & my own well being. I was in love! No drug of any kind has ever made me feel the way MDMA does (and I've done a shitload of drugs sadly...). I'm 28 now and don't see myself stopping any time soon either. Marijuana was once my drug of choice, but MDxx has replaced it (and I think that's for the best). I only roll like once a month at the most (although there has been a few times I've binged and been stupid), but pot took over my daily life & livelyhood. I don't roll to get "fucked up" or for personal entertainment. I do it to feel the love within me for my family, friends, my life, my accomplishments, and any other things that I may not recognize on a daily basis. especially when I'm feeling a little low or doubtful about what's going on in My life, it helps open my eyes and heart to the big picture. Hahaha this may sound a little cheesy to some but, fuck it!! This is how I feel about MDxx.
 
No not cheesey peanut 801 that's how it felt to me just be aware that there is a turnover point. And that there is a certain danger in feeling low and resolving it with a pill, if you get what I mean. Some people just have a hard time saying no if they are a bit down, I am one of them.

Especially if you are prone to experiencing comedown's, enter vicious circle here. Great thread Innerpeace, thanks.
 
I just tried reading that rambling, hyper redundant public service message of yours, and I gotta tell you -- your inability to convey a single cohesive thought is about the best harm reduction argument you can provide these young people.

Don't abuse the Molly, kids, or you'll be left as inarticulate as I am.
Love,
Innerpeace
 
Well it's your opininion, you can call it anything you like Elvis. But the fact it generated some interesting discussion and brought up some reflection on usage patterns. To me this seems an relevant and interesting thread, look at the ammount of replies. Maybe it could even serve some harm reduction or help others.

Your reply is a bit unclear, what's your point if I may ask.
 
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