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How does rolling change as people mature?

I just tried reading that rambling, hyper redundant public service message of yours, and I gotta tell you -- your inability to convey a single cohesive thought is about the best harm reduction argument you can provide these young people.

Don't abuse the Molly, kids, or you'll be left as inarticulate as I am.
Love,
Innerpeace

go F**^ yourself. You ability to feel good depends on putting others down, I feel sorry for you. Maybe you're the one with a reading disability. Stay out of this thread please. we need no negative nellies here. . This thread is for people whove matured and still want to experience the Joy mdma has to offer
 
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Keeping on topic. How do you am raisers use mdXX?

fifteen years ago I would stay out late, go to dance clubs, pop at 8 , be full rolling all night and I seem to associate trance music/clubs with a terrific time. Now a days I like go to bed by 12 give or take, so are there any dance/trance clubs during the day? Maybe do some mdma at 11-1 pm , and do it in the daylight, maybe at an edm festival during the day, if one loves to rollaround trance music, or listen to it in your car as you ride around from venue to wherever you want to go

I know some people in here are 50-60 and like to get together in a house with friends and listen to Rock. I absolutely love trance/progressive/house euphoric trance, etc and love places that play this a lot
 
I just tried reading that rambling, hyper redundant public service message of yours, and I gotta tell you -- your inability to convey a single cohesive thought is about the best harm reduction argument you can provide these young people.

Don't abuse the Molly, kids, or you'll be left as inarticulate as I am.
Love,
Innerpeace
Since this thread already had a lot of replies before you posted this nonsense, perhaps the problem lies with you, not with Innerpeace? Others seemed to have no trouble understanding the OP. Also articulate or not, he's actively contributing to this community whereas if I read some of your past posts (tough guy routine, offering to source, insults, "your mom" jokes,...) the only thing you seem to be contributing is your own bitterness. Keep this off-topic shit to yourself next time, thank you

On-topic: I don't think I will ever really quit, not intentionally, but I've brought my usage down to about 2-3 times each year. This didn't happen intentionally, I just have more things going on now other than looking forward to the next party =D While in the past I would actively look for the next opportunity to roll and actively search for the needed drugs now I just roll if and when the opportunity and the needed drugs present themselves. Whenever I do roll I'm still prone to stay awake until the break of dawn by the way, it's just such a magical feeling seeing the sun come up while you're on the tail end of a roll. Also I'm a bit of a night-owl anyways so staying up all night comes kind of naturally to me
 
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I was a late starter, primarily because MDMA wasn't available when I was young and then my life became too full of responsibility in my middle years. The problem today is that I don't know anyone my age that rolls and I am reluctant to tell friends due to the judgement. I am quite sure their response would be negative, in part due to age and also the extensive mis-information in my generation. I confided in one friend and he was shocked that I would take such hedonistic 'risks'.

So I roll alone - perhaps 3 times a year. Like BlueBull, I am a night owl and this suits me just fine. I have had some incredibly beautiful and introspective evenings reflecting on my life and enjoying nature. On my last trip, I went to my log cabin to go kayaking in the wilderness in a spectacular mountain setting as a full lunar eclipse played out in the heavens above. It was glorious. But I'd sure have loved to share that with someone.......
 
I was a late starter, primarily because MDMA wasn't available when I was young and then my life became too full of responsibility in my middle years. The problem today is that I don't know anyone my age that rolls and I am reluctant to tell friends due to the judgement. I am quite sure their response would be negative, in part due to age and also the extensive mis-information in my generation. I confided in one friend and he was shocked that I would take such hedonistic 'risks'.

So I roll alone - perhaps 3 times a year. Like BlueBull, I am a night owl and this suits me just fine. I have had some incredibly beautiful and introspective evenings reflecting on my life and enjoying nature. On my last trip, I went to my log cabin to go kayaking in the wilderness in a spectacular mountain setting as a full lunar eclipse played out in the heavens above. It was glorious. But I'd sure have loved to share that with someone.......
Interesting. You've never rolled with company before?
 
....yeah. It goes without saying that I'm missing out on a key aspect of this drug. I would have loved to be part of the rave scene. What I miss the most is being able to roll with my wife, but she doesn't do drugs. It would be really nice to connect with someone who likes to roll.
 
Well, I started out in the mid/late 1990's. I grew up in the Tampa area and as I am sure many of you know what a bitch'n warehouse rave scene we had there back then. I think I was pretty lucky in that I really only ran across "crappy" beans once back then.. I was over filled with joy when test kits came out tho. I think the closest you could say I ever abused it would be around 2002ish and that would have been 2.5 to about 3 months apart for the whole year +/-

I did have a long "break" after that, not because I did not wish to partake, I was just married to an abusive, manipulative asshole that was unwilling to even have a conversation about anything that interested me. He's long gone now.

My wonderful husband that I am now married to had never done anything at all till I introduced him to it (He was about 32) . Being in our mid 30's ,married with kids, we still enjoy it. Every once in a bluemoon in a club setting as we do love House, Trance, Progressive ect and it can be fun to see a great DJ live and be fully engaged with the event. Most of the time, we reserve it for once 6 to 9 months or more some times +/- a little bit but never less then 3 months apart. ( right now it's been close to two years) It's after the kids are in bed,in our own room and its our couples therapy and bonding time. He really misses it and would like to procure some in the very near future. We refer to it as our at home vacations or therapy sessions. It gives us time together where we are the only ones in the world. NO computers (save for the one playing music,lol) NO phones, no texting, no TV .. Just us together in each others warm embrace talking, cuddling and much more.

I think the only reason we would stop is being unable to locate a quality product. We also believe in before and after care. We watch what we eat, we take 5HTP and our other vits.. We have a few other substances that we enjoy as well, but don't over indulge in them either. We can easily go 6 months and not even have a drink and not notice till someone asks. For us we think the key to most enjoyable things is MODERATION when you combine that with harm reduction and think a nice long term harmony can be found.
 
There was a article in the magazine of the "Volkskrant" Mama is on mdma https://blendle.com/i/volkskrant-magazine/mama-is-aan-de-mdma/bnl-vkm-20150117-3845530 This displays part of the article in Dutch to read th whole you need to register (and pay?).

This is about people of older age discovering the thereaputic effects of the drug. They feel it cotributes to their development to become better human beings and as way to work through past events. She first got offered mdma by a therapist (dutch) who she was seeing to get rid of her fears/ anxiety problems. Not as way to destress or as euphoriant, but in sessions taking half a day guided by an therapist. This is in no way legal and the price indicates that the participants are people with filled wallets. The aim for the trips are insight, reaching an higher conciousness, universal love and true religion. He compares the effects with meditating 8 years on a mountain. His customers are dr's, coaches, housewives but also judges and prosecuters (officers of justice).

tbc
 
Well, I started out in the mid/late 1990's. I grew up in the Tampa area and as I am sure many of you know what a bitch'n warehouse rave scene we had there back then. I think I was pretty lucky in that I really only ran across "crappy" beans once back then.. I was over filled with joy when test kits came out tho. I think the closest you could say I ever abused it would be around 2002ish and that would have been 2.5 to about 3 months apart for the whole year +/-

I did have a long "break" after that, not because I did not wish to partake, I was just married to an abusive, manipulative asshole that was unwilling to even have a conversation about anything that interested me. He's long gone now.

My wonderful husband that I am now married to had never done anything at all till I introduced him to it (He was about 32) . Being in our mid 30's ,married with kids, we still enjoy it. Every once in a bluemoon in a club setting as we do love House, Trance, Progressive ect and it can be fun to see a great DJ live and be fully engaged with the event. Most of the time, we reserve it for once 6 to 9 months or more some times +/- a little bit but never less then 3 months apart. ( right now it's been close to two years) It's after the kids are in bed,in our own room and its our couples therapy and bonding time. He really misses it and would like to procure some in the very near future. We refer to it as our at home vacations or therapy sessions. It gives us time together where we are the only ones in the world. NO computers (save for the one playing music,lol) NO phones, no texting, no TV .. Just us together in each others warm embrace talking, cuddling and much more.

I think the only reason we would stop is being unable to locate a quality product. We also believe in before and after care. We watch what we eat, we take 5HTP and our other vits.. We have a few other substances that we enjoy as well, but don't over indulge in them either. We can easily go 6 months and not even have a drink and not notice till someone asks. For us we think the key to most enjoyable things is MODERATION when you combine that with harm reduction and think a nice long term harmony can be found.

^ ^ This.....sounds awesome. It is excatly what I hope to convince my wife to share with me one day. And good on you for using so responsibly!
 
Wow it is awesome to read all the late 90's central Florida love in this post. The scene in Florida has gone to absolute shit but back around 98-01 great dutch presses were everywhere. There were huge busts at Orlando international like every week. Daytona 600 N., Orlando Firestone, sloberzone(cyberzone), ybor city great times.

To answer the question I think a big part in the change is that people mature and everyday life just becomes to demanding to be dropping X. Also the more you roll the less novel the experience becomes(law of diminishing returns) and it started to feel to fake for my liking. Lots of drug induced love that never seemed to follow through after the experience and many embarresing nights spent blabbering away about all my inner most personal feelings to complete strangers, who at the time seemed to be totally in tune with what I was saying until they came down and split. Plus seeing people rolling when I was sober really opened my eyes to how rediculous and fake the experience really was.

I did enjoy the personal rolls with a close love or friend though and if I could find legit stuff and my girl rolled I would consider doing the couples night.
 
Well, I started out in the mid/late 1990's. I grew up in the Tampa area and as I am sure many of you know what a bitch'n warehouse rave scene we had there back then. I think I was pretty lucky in that I really only ran across "crappy" beans once back then.. I was over filled with joy when test kits came out tho. I think the closest you could say I ever abused it would be around 2002ish and that would have been 2.5 to about 3 months apart for the whole year +/-

I did have a long "break" after that, not because I did not wish to partake, I was just married to an abusive, manipulative asshole that was unwilling to even have a conversation about anything that interested me. He's long gone now.

My wonderful husband that I am now married to had never done anything at all till I introduced him to it (He was about 32) . Being in our mid 30's ,married with kids, we still enjoy it. Every once in a bluemoon in a club setting as we do love House, Trance, Progressive ect and it can be fun to see a great DJ live and be fully engaged with the event. Most of the time, we reserve it for once 6 to 9 months or more some times +/- a little bit but never less then 3 months apart. ( right now it's been close to two years) It's after the kids are in bed,in our own room and its our couples therapy and bonding time. He really misses it and would like to procure some in the very near future. We refer to it as our at home vacations or therapy sessions. It gives us time together where we are the only ones in the world. NO computers (save for the one playing music,lol) NO phones, no texting, no TV .. Just us together in each others warm embrace talking, cuddling and much more.

I think the only reason we would stop is being unable to locate a quality product. We also believe in before and after care. We watch what we eat, we take 5HTP and our other vits.. We have a few other substances that we enjoy as well, but don't over indulge in them either. We can easily go 6 months and not even have a drink and not notice till someone asks. For us we think the key to most enjoyable things is MODERATION when you combine that with harm reduction and think a nice long term harmony can be found.

you are doing it right. mdma is great therapy, even better I think is greater psycho assisted therapy, for people that need it,. it is also a magical experience for whoever you roll with and I havent forgot my first or second time and its been fifteen years


Wow it is awesome to read all the late 90's central Florida love in this post. The scene in Florida has gone to absolute shit but back around 98-01 great dutch presses were everywhere. There were huge busts at Orlando international like every week. Daytona 600 N., Orlando Firestone, sloberzone(cyberzone), ybor city great times.

To answer the question I think a big part in the change is that people mature and everyday life just becomes to demanding to be dropping X. Also the more you roll the less novel the experience becomes(law of diminishing returns) and it started to feel to fake for my liking. Lots of drug induced love that never seemed to follow through after the experience and many embarresing nights spent blabbering away about all my inner most personal feelings to complete strangers, who at the time seemed to be totally in tune with what I was saying until they came down and split. Plus seeing people rolling when I was sober really opened my eyes to how rediculous and fake the experience really was.

I did enjoy the personal rolls with a close love or friend though and if I could find legit stuff and my girl rolled I would consider doing the couples night.

600 North in Daytona was the first club I went to on E! my first time rolling in Nov 2000! great dance and trance music! yes Dutch pressed pills- they were double and triple stacks and the stuff was pure. I've bought and used abut 20 pills from arund daytona area, and I got ten pills from the mid-south and these pills from Tampa or miami(I forget where they were from) were much better. They were double and triple stacks around 2000-2001. does anyone offhand know how many mgs they were? some of them floored me, where I was almost unconcious coming up, eyes rolling in back of my head, and I have never done heroin, but its what I imaged heroin to be like- I think I did like 1.5 pills, which would have been like 350-400 mgs? if they were the dutch pills and im guessing 250 mgs per pill of the stuff, but does anyone know for sure the mgs?

as far as seeing how it was fake, I experienced the same thing , I abused the stuff way too much, rolling once every week and up to three and four times a week on a couple occasions-i actually began to think the same thing , this is fake, and felt depressed, the magic went away, and just felt bad during rolling. If I knew about harm reduction than, I feel like I wouldnt have felt this way if I used once every 3-6 months or longer
 
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i don't roll any more cos mdma bores me to tears.

Also, i always wear a hat, and I've been told it's a very dangerous and foolish combo.

This is good harm reduction so hats and mdma is a big no no, what if one gets bald. Could that, especially for you Mailmonkey if you still have a rug of thick hair change the situation. Would you be able to roll again.
I am guessing this has something to do with overheating or is it a personal thing? Back in the days I would never take mdma without my Dolphins cap, omg what damage.

Back on the topic as I totally don't get these 60 year plussers getting therapeutic effects from extasy. What do I have to do to get there because if I take a pill I just lay down chill and relax. Ok I feel great the next week or two but that's it. Back to square one no improvements or anything just a quick fix from semi-depression. Is there a setting that produces lasting results?

Ok I guess doing it alone doesn't help, but yeah being 42 and having responseabilities has it's shortcomings.
 
Wow thats a bump if I ever saw one.

I sort of enjoy the quieter times on mdma - they fit into my schedule easier than being awake for a week, chewing my face off and reaching for the lazers, not knowing where the hell I've been for the last three days. I like when you can incorporate it into your lifestyle - no guilt, no come down, no troubles, drop roll about on the floor, talk shit, ooh this feels amazing with no worry - I need a drink, me too - well come with me (life story again in the 30 seconds to get a beer). Sit back down, what where we talking about again ?

Haha were fucked - love you though <3
 
Gitar solo's ... just talking to myself. (lol) Wtf am I supposed to log in every three seconds here, this ruins my own private little world. No I kinda like it but is there more to be gained, not for personal gain but humanity as a whole. If you know what I mean. ( to bearlove if your reply was for me anyway)
 
It has been stated that one reason that people roll less as they age is because of the responsibilities, demands placed upon them. I can believe that. But, I suspect there is an alternate way of looking at that.

As we grow up, and get those responsibilities and demands, for most of us that goes along with a much richer life - personally, family-wise, socially, professionally, etc. Much more interesting, many more possibilities, more freedom.... Not to mention the joys that are to be had in a happy marriage, watching your children grow, etc.

I think in a way people come to realize that the best mdma can do in such a circumstance is simply enhance that a little. But basically mdma can't offer anything that would seriously compete with such joys.

I read about an interesting study done regarding drug use and addiction which I think kind of supports what I suspect. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying the conclusions, but basically what I understood it to be saying is that people who have healthy, happy, rich, normal lives tend to either not use drugs, or if they do, they very easily keep that use under control and are moderate about their use. Whereas those who find themselves in some difficult situations or backgrounds, tend to be careless with their use or abuse or become addicted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html


It makes sense. When I was abusing the stuff, I was in a low place and after a while mdma felt fake-I did it so much. Now that im responsible, once every six months at most. (maybe just maybe if i as on vacation in a great setting, maybe do it twice in a week, lets say one weekend and then the next, and would only do this once a year, but this is still risky to me, and I would seriously have to consider it, if I were put in that situation)

This is good harm reduction so hats and mdma is a big no no, what if one gets bald. Could that, especially for you Mailmonkey if you still have a rug of thick hair change the situation. Would you be able to roll again.
I am guessing this has something to do with overheating or is it a personal thing? Back in the days I would never take mdma without my Dolphins cap, omg what damage.

Back on the topic as I totally don't get these 60 year plussers getting therapeutic effects from extasy. What do I have to do to get there because if I take a pill I just lay down chill and relax. Ok I feel great the next week or two but that's it. Back to square one no improvements or anything just a quick fix from semi-depression. Is there a setting that produces lasting results?

Ok I guess doing it alone doesn't help, but yeah being 42 and having responseabilities has it's shortcomings.

for any kind of lasting results you need to do mdma psycho assisted therapy, where you face certain traumatic events that have made a connection in your brain and so you can un-wire whatever is holding you back from realizing your potential , and feel you ned to revist these events , face them and reframe your life to program yourself to reach your highest potential and get rid of any unuseful things that are holding you back. if thats what you're wanting out of a mdma session. This is what mdma was originally used for

http://youtu.be/EPoEb-QhAqk

theres a guide somewhere I havent been able to find, where you can ask another person study the guide for you and try to perform mdma psycho assisted therapy for you. or find a psychologist/psychiatrist that believes in this, and does this under the table. If your a firefighter, vetern or ploice officer, you can do it legally in charlestown sc, in maps phase two studies
 
Thank you I will have a closer look at the possebility's mdma therapies offers this was a very good eye opener for sure. I wonder if any of the "legal" alternatives, I am thinking bk-mdma/ methylone, can be used with this purpose.

Although my trauma's are no way as severe as hers they hold me back big time. Talking or thinking about them raise my cortisol and adrenalin levels to unbearable heights, even at baseline I feel very off. So I am very happy to see this girl recovering so much with aid of our most beloved drug. Wow
 
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