Zolpidem

[bunge]

Never use water to swallow tabs? Braver then me.lol have you tried dry swallowing zopiclone? Got to be one of the foulest tastes known to man.

 

[Allein]

Never use water to swallow tabs? Braver then me.lol have you tried dry swallowing zopiclone? Got to be one of the foulest tastes known to man.

I have no gag reflex to such things, I put it down to all the horrible asthma meds I took as a child, you have tasted horreble until you've had an Intal spin cap

 

[scrooloose]

The 'drunk' linctus feeling has been replaced with extreme contentment.I may even snort the zolp later tonight.

 

[Allein]

Atm23 have you tried mirtazepine for a sleep aid

I've been on it for both an AD and a sleep aid but it really didn't sit well with me, I got a very strong and persistent tripy effect from it, beyond me usual derealalation (sp)

It was like I was always on the very edge of coming up on acid and not in a good way, I persisted for a couple of weeks, then crashed my car and jacked it in, shame as it seem to work well for others, did nothing for my sleep either.

 

[ugly]

Warning: not for the easily offended

Everyone I know calls zolpidem Ambien, and it is very popular. They dispense it at the pharmacy every 20 minutes.

My mother takes Ambien. She takes it with methadone, hydrocodone, and ativan. Oh and one or two bottles of white zinfandel. That has been her nightly regime for several years.

She is 74 today.

I can't really describe to you what it's like taking care of her at night. She walks through the house crashing into things. She has fallen so many times I'm amazed my dad hasn't put her in the hospital.
She speaks in tongues at the walls and at the couches.
She pours vegetable oil on the kitchen floor. Then the next day she SWEARS it wasn't her.
She pees herself. If she makes it to the bathroom, she falls off the toilet and still pees herself.

I walk around behind her when I'm taking care of her, which I did all last year. I lead her back to her bed. I stay up to make sure she stays down. When I'm not there, she is utter insanity all night long. My parents have separate rooms because of different health stuff, so my dad is in his room sound asleep while my mom is being a crazy person all night all over the house.

It isn't JUST the ambien obviously but I can absolutely tell when she's out of ambien. She sleeps and she stays in bed when she's out of ambien. So I know there's definitely a connection between her nighttime persona and the ambien.

Also, she remembers nothing when she's up from the ambien. Sometimes I catch her in the kitchen, totally lucid, getting some water, and she remembers it the next day. With ambien she doesn't have a clue, and when I videoed her with my iPhone and showed her the next day, she actually vomited.

But she's still taking that stuff. She has to stop methadone though because her doctor told her that her liver can't handle it anymore. He doesn't know she's an alcoholic though. I'm going up in December to see that she starts withdrawals carefully... and to babysit her at night when she turns into another person altogether.

 

[monstanoodle]

ugly - (I don't like having to refer to you as that!) Jeez I can't imagine how hard that must be for you mate.
The main reason I came off Zolpidem was because of the Anterograde Amnesia (not being able to form new memories after the cause for the memory loss - the Zolpidem in this case) and it's such a prevalent side effect with many people. Like I mentioned, a lot of waking up after "taking one or two" with an empty box completely.

Especially if she's knocking back quite a bit of wine and the Lorazepam - There's bound to be a hell of a lot of Amnesia.

I feel nosey to ask, but why is she on both Methadone and Hydrocodone? Because of Methadone's super strong affinity for µ-receptors, the Hydrocodone will be having very little (if any) effect.
Then again if she's going to come off it... That really will be hard. I hope her Dr. does a tapering scheme and doesn't just kick her off altogether because fuck..... That's not going to start well at all, to put it terribly lightly.

Anyway, I'm really sorry that yer in such a tough spot with this chuck, it sounds really harsh
Please remember though that people here across the good ship BL are here for you to talk about it or just whatever you feel the need to talk about

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

^ thats insane, for a multitude of reasons. i assume your mom isnt on methadone for opiate withdrawal, why is it preferred to other more standard pain meds?


as for the ambien, i truly believe it allows for some sort of entities to temporarily assume control of your body, ive had similar things happen to your moms oil thing - its almost like a very child like or rather physical life naieve creature that isnt mischievous as much as totally pointless and bizarre, doing things seemingly for the first time. or this is how it often seems during my research into the matter


i had entities apparently approach me within seconds of coming up off my first dose and experienced weird sleepliving most of the time whilst on it



strange stuff

 

[Allein]

Never use water to swallow tabs? Braver then me.lol have you tried dry swallowing zopiclone? Got to be one of the foulest tastes known to man.

It's a talent I believe it goes back to my childhood, I was a on a shit pile of meds for asthma, including Intal spincaps which coat your mouth with the most foul tasting powder.

What ever the reason I can control my gag reflex and let stuff desolve in my mouth of swallow at will , used to love does this with MDMA crystal and pills in general, I don't get on with zopiclone they may as well be sugar tablets for all the good they do.

BHM, I've never such suffered such weirdity with Zolpidem, I feel a bit cheated, turned them down again yesterday as they bring me more harm than good.

 

[ugly]

Wow monsta.

What a beautiful post. Seriously. That's pure gold kindness right there. You didn't have to say all that. I'm so happy that you did! You are someone that I could be friends with IRL. (I have a friend called monsta. I'm pretty sure you aren't him. He isn't as tender as you are!)

I'm 53 and my mom has been on drugs all my life. I'm so used to it that it does not faze me in the slightest. I love her. She's my mom. She loves me. I'm going to lose her before long, I'm quite sure. I don't know what I will do then. I mean, besides fight with my sister who is already draining our mom and dad's accounts. (My sister is a money hungry whore. My mother was a bit like that when she was younger. I love my mom anyway, under any circumstances. My sister loves to call my dad and tattle on me or my mom and get him all worked up, and I know she just "borrowed" 5k. I think she's the devil.)

My sister also has a habit and this time last year she was in rehab fighting like hell to get home for Christmas. My niece is 12. My sister still has her habit but she learned some great tricks from professional addicts about hiding her DOC and how to behave and the correct way to answer questions and how to hide the smell of tequila.

My mother wouldn't do anything to hurt anyone but she's so out of it that even in the last year I've seen her health and memory deteriorate at an alarming rate. But I love her and it's no trouble to watch her or change her clothes for her. I stay in her bed to keep her down, and she curls up around me while I sit there reading.

Being in public with her is the hardest part of her condition for me. She is elderly and she looks it. But she loves babies and she will walk up and put her wrinkled face right up to a kid in a basket seat and start talking baby talk to the kid. She touches their hands and their face with her hands knotted from arthritis, and the parents are NEVER pleased that their kid has started to scream and cry. My mom is oblivious to the fact that she caused it. I go in and take one of her ativan before I drive her to town. I'm serious. I get very embarrassed for her and I feel empathy for anyone who brought their little one to the market that day!

I like driving her around though. My folks have a nice Lincoln. I like driving it. Parking it is a chore but it rides like a fluffy pillow. I take her for manis and pedis, and to her doctor, her pain clinic doctor, and we always have to stop and have lunch somewhere that serves wine. She drinks as much as possible when my dad isn't with us.

You know what the kicker is? My father was an undercover narcotics agent in Los Angeles all during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. He was at the riots after MLKJ got shot. 84, he looks like he's 65. He works out, takes vitamins, eats a very balanced diet, and has ALWAYS been like that, all my life.

So how is it that his wife is a drug addled old lady? No body knows.

 

[ugly]

ugly - (I don't like having to refer to you as that!)

It's just a word. Not even a dirty word. Don't feel bad. I picked my screen name on purpose and I like it for a lot of reasons. I am the person you see in my avatar. Not completely ugly. But the word is a good strong word. UGLY. It sounds like what it means even.

I feel nosey to ask, but why is she on both Methadone and Hydrocodone?

Because she is an absolute expert, professional doctor shopper. Before computers, she had five different doctors giving her scripts which she filled at five different locations. Her dresser always had like a hundred bottles of pills sitting there. I used to take some of her meds, starting from about age 13 or 14. Valium. Meprobamate. Black Beauties. The list is endless. It is harder now with computers for her to pull the shit she used to. She manages though. Oh yea, she still bends the system to her will, and her will is to be fucked up all the time.

Please remember though that people here across the good ship BL are here for you to talk about it or just whatever you feel the need to talk about

I truly appreciate that. When she does pass away, Bluelight will be the one place where I know I can and will find real comfort from my sorrow.

^ thats insane, for a multitude of reasons. i assume your mom isnt on methadone for opiate withdrawal, why is it preferred to other more standard pain meds?

She has a very high tolerance. She's been on pain medicine for decades. She can eat those methadone, and I barf if I take just one. She can drink anyone under the table and still get up and walk down the hall to get her pills. Once she's had her pills for the evening she changes.

i truly believe it allows for some sort of entities to temporarily assume control of your body, ive had similar things happen to your moms oil thing - its almost like a very child like or rather physical life naive creature that isn't mischievous as much as totally pointless and bizarre, doing things seemingly for the first time. or this is how it often seems during my research into the matter

Anything is possible. I believe she is acting out scenes from her childhood. I'm not dissing your suggestion. I just know a lot about her. It seems to me that she is reliving episodes from when she was little. She can't remember anything anymore but she remembers her childhood vividly. It is real to her at night. I just think she has become her young self, helping carry water to her brothers working in the tobacco fields, back to splashing in the creek, talking to her mom, petting her horse (LONG gone), stuff like that. It creeps my dad out completely. She is totally babbling and nothing she says sound like English words. She's speaking in tongues, or I like to call it "methadone-speak". She cannot BEAR to watch a video of herself when she's like that. She gets violently ill and makes me swear to erase it.

I'm going up to decorate their house for Christmas about Dec 14 or so. I can hear in her voice that she's gotten more weak since I saw her in the summer. I almost feel that she is holding on to life, waiting for me to get there. She gets mad lonely. My dad isn't much of a talker at all and he isn't real happy about her problems. He had other plans for his retirement. She's caused many of his plans vanish into nothingness.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

wow.



perhaps methadone does something inherantly to the ambien

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

hey atm, are intal spincaps a type of inhaler then? the worst one for mouth powder were the white ones with red caps.. absolutely foul



dont think id put it much beyond crushed paracetomol or amphetamine water though. then again i cant much stand lemsips either

 

[monstanoodle]

Wow monsta.

What a beautiful post. Seriously. That's pure gold kindness right there. You didn't have to say all that. I'm so happy that you did! You are someone that I could be friends with IRL. (I have a friend called monsta. I'm pretty sure you aren't him. He isn't as tender as you are!)

That's very sweet of you to say so hun
I have a few people I know who would contest that judgement till they were blue in the face (and they may well be right) but I thank you greatly non the less

Your sister, if I may be so bold, sounds like a proper... well, as you said actually, money-hungry whore. And it sounds as though she's going about thinking that it's [her name]'s world! Totally unscrupulous by the sounds of it

It's sad to hear that she has a daughter and that she's seemingly going down the path that your Mum is going / has gone down. I know that you'd do anything if she wasn't safe and well though, she's got you for support too if she needs it ay

I don't think you realise how much you're doing with regard to when you take care of her y'know! Though I suppose that seeing as you've "grown into" such a role that it sort of becomes the norm.
Massive props to you - Some kids would have just jump ship and left her to her own devices but you haven't. Shows a great deal of strength on your part

Eeep yea going out into public must be especially trying, tiring and difficult on so many levels!
And I don't blame you - I'd take a shed load of Benzos to soften the reality of it if I had to! I take plenty just to soften my reality as it is really

Now that is some bloody cruel irony with regards to your Dad
And it sounds like you've gained a lot of his proper positive character traits like his strength and determination

So how is it that his wife is a drug addled old lady? No body knows.

I know this is not what's going on with your parents exactly, but there are similarities between mine.
My Mum is an Alcoholic and has been for as long as I can remember. And my Dad ended up leaving partly because of that.
I've only recently, on the scale of things, gotten in touch with him and sort of picked up from where we left up when it comes to our relationship...
... And it's mad!
When he lived with us, he was very cold and distant, very angry and annoyed easily. It's only now after seeing him again that I can see 20-20 why he was acting as he was and to see him now... He's a completely differet person! He's remarried to a lovely Bostonian woman who's just one of those almost stupidly nice American ladies :D She's a proper gem and I'm so happy for them both
And it's crazy how similar him and I are It's been great. Sharing music tastes, talking loads (barely said words to each other when he was with my Mum) and just to see him so happy is really great.

But yes - When they were still together, he'd sort of contracted a form of comorbid alcohol use and would be just as drunk as her by the end of the night.
Wasn't nice to see.
Anyway, he's good now so yay

It's just a word. Not even a dirty word. Don't feel bad. I picked my screen name on purpose and I like it for a lot of reasons. I am the person you see in my avatar. Not completely ugly. But the word is a good strong word. UGLY. It sounds like what it means even.

That's fair enough, but I might just take to calling you Pugly so you're a cute puppy like this:

.... Just noticed we've gone a bit off topic here but eh, I'm not a mod anymore so they can sort it out if they wish Hehe.
I'm going to escape into a videogame for a bit then get ready for this family meal - Drunk Mum ahoy
I'll just beat her to the punch, as it were.... I could intend a pun there.....

 

[ugly]

Lovely talking with you. Enjoy your meal, and might as well enjoy the parents for what it's worth. They won't be around forever.

I talked about drugs in a lounge thread, thinking it was a different forum, and it was reported, so if I get banned, you'll know why. I made one of the mods super pissed by mentioning a joint in the lounge. (Sort of surprised me with the harsh, but mods have a job to do.)

 

[busterthe hampster]

my doctor prescibes me 30 zispin 45 and used 2 get 30 zopiclone but i the only other sleeper he wud give was zolpidem.. like i get a great sleep frm the zispin alone.. so i just take the zopiclone recreationally.. but really cant stand te bad taste they leave in ur mouth not 2 mind ur beaviour is off te wall lol.. ifind zolpidem a much cleaner high and a better buzz 2 b honest.. im after taking 5 2day nd feelin goooooood lol

 

[monstanoodle]

Lovely talking with you. Enjoy your meal, and might as well enjoy the parents for what it's worth. They won't be around forever.

I talked about drugs in a lounge thread, thinking it was a different forum, and it was reported, so if I get banned, you'll know why. I made one of the mods super pissed by mentioning a joint in the lounge. (Sort of surprised me with the harsh, but mods have a job to do.)

And you And cheers - My Aunt n Uncle are really sound and one of their mates is coming and she's really nice too (tis her B.Day meal so I'm gunna burn her off my album and some other music that means a lot to me). Nice food, nice beers, nice ciders and nice wine so it should be a good do.

Wuhhh??!?!?! The BL lounge? {0.o} You got reported and pissed off a mod for talking about drugs on a drugs forum????
Well, that's yet another reason not to go to the lounge
Tis full of weirds and idiots (our lovely EADD krew aside ofcourse ) so I tend to not even poke it with a shitty stick.

... i get a great sleep frm the zispin alone.. so i just take the zopiclone recreationally.. but really cant stand te bad taste they leave in ur mouth not 2 mind ur beaviour is off te wall lol.. ifind zolpidem a much cleaner high and a better buzz 2 b honest.. im after taking 5 2day nd feelin goooooood lol

Uck yea the metallic taste from Zopiclone is awful. Some don't get it but more than less seem to.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

my doctor prescribes me 30 zispin

i had zispin whilst in prison, found it worked but strange side effects like numb limbs/pins&needles etc. arent they anti anxiety or something rather than sleepers per se



one of those things you can sell all day on the wing

 

[scrooloose]

Just crushed my last 20 mgs by grinding down with the bottom of a pint glass about ten minutes ago.Chopped up
and up the snotter.
Feeling clear headed with a subtle buzz and relaxation. Hoping this will intensify. I have a feeling this would synergise with a few slugs of linctus. Definitely better than swallowing.Shame it was my last two,would have liked to experiment with higher doses.

 

[scrooloose]

Lovely with the linctus,euphoric and dreamy.Heavy eyelids.

 

[monstanoodle]

Is that a Codeine linctus (or any form of Opioid)?

--- Edit ---
Just seen it is

Oh, and when it comes to recreational Zolpidem snorting, I like to snort ~10mg (~ because of the coating) and take 10mg sublingually.
Honestly, I only discovered how much better the Bio-Availability is sublingually upon these last prescriptions of it!

I know this is in the words of the company who produce the sublingual version of the tablet but they're not jus bigging themselves up
Just "flatten" the tablet (crush it and the coating will just about hold it together but do so and...) slide it under yer tongue on some paper or something and it'll kick in much, much quicker.
Plus add the dose you've snorted and you'll be feeling rather kushty in no time