Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

[Sustanon]

I did a little experiment yesterday. I used bottled water for the very first time instead of tap water. I got way higher than usual. Anyone else experienced this before? Im thinking there must be so many chemicals in the tap water which might react with the codeine which can reduce its potency. Anyone else noticed this?

 

[Evilomlap]

I don't think codeine is being glamourised here. Being a CWE junkie is boring, poossibly dangerous and incredibly time consuming. A lot of our posts reflect that.

LOL agreed, couldn't have said that better myself.

 

[Cartesia]

not to mention financially draining..

Not being able to use discount chemists 90% of the time means sometimes paying up to <no prices> a pack (usually around 8)... and depending on the level of addiction I could go through 2, 4 or maybe 6 packs a day. Not to mention all the driving that involves to get to pharmacies I havent used recently.

Also regarding the ID recording - I'm in SA, they've never asked to see my license, just want a name & address...
so its entirely possible to provide untrue details.

for the most part I believe it is just a deterrant, I've seen alot literally just throw the paper in the trash after they take it down. one or two places have entered the details into their label-printing system which I presume creates a record, and a couple I have seen keep a clipboard list with dates marked next to names so they see how often someone is coming.

I have been asked at some pharmacies to get a prescription or letter from a doctor, so effectively cannot return to these ones - but I'm talking like 3-4 pharmacies in an entire city, over the course of 8 years. The other day one that I'd been going to the entire time (far more often than I should) decided to change their tune and I was just completely straight with them and explained how it was too late for them to do anything, since they knew they'd not been responsibly providing to me for such a long period of time and if they changed things I'd make a complaint to the pharmacy guild... What can I say, I guess being an opiate addict can make you a bit of a dick.

 

[Oxyuranus]

Hi Sustanon,

Yes, I did notice the same thing. I tested it several times. Are you using Spring water?

I found that bottled (spring) water takes quite a bit longer to filter. I started using distilled water which literally halved the filtering time. I can't feel any difference between a distilled water extraction and a spring water extraction.

Hope the above makes sense, I have been up since Thursday (Stims and withdrawals)

 

[Sustanon]

Hi Sustanon,

Yes, I did notice the same thing. I tested it several times. Are you using Spring water?

I found that bottled (spring) water takes quite a bit longer to filter. I started using distilled water which literally halved the filtering time. I can't feel any difference between a distilled water extraction and a spring water extraction.

Hope the above makes sense, I have been up since Thursday (Stims and withdrawals)

Yup using spring water, I normally use tap water but this time I tried spring water and the CWE seemed stronger. Im assuming that the tap water in Sydney contains a number of chemicals which break down the goodies or somehow intervenes with the CWE in some way. Did u have different results opposed to tap water?

 

[junkie skumbag]

hmmmm have to give bottle water a go. will report back if i get stronger effects

 

[tentram]

i very much doubt any of the flouride and whatever other trace elements/contaminants are going to destroy any significant amount of codeine in a CWE especially within a 15 to 30 minute time frame it takes to perform it from start to finish. i would put it down to placebo, myself.

did you use the usual brand of codeine you use or a different type? any change in the way you prepared it?

 

[Ashley]

i very much doubt any of the flouride and whatever other trace elements/contaminants are going to destroy any significant amount of codeine in a CWE especially within a 15 to 30 minute time frame it takes to perform it from start to finish. i would put it down to placebo, myself.

I agree. Having used bottled water and tap water both on many occasions, I have never noticed a difference in the potency of the resulting solution. I also think the trace chemical elements in residential tap water would have little to no effect on the solubility of the codeine nor degrade its potency in any way.

I have used tap water for IV solutions of all sorts of water soluble drugs and also sterile water for injection and have never noticed an effect on potency or solubility. It might sound unrelated but its the same principle at the end of the day.

I call placebo also.

A.

 

[Sustanon]

i very much doubt any of the flouride and whatever other trace elements/contaminants are going to destroy any significant amount of codeine in a CWE especially within a 15 to 30 minute time frame it takes to perform it from start to finish. i would put it down to placebo, myself.

did you use the usual brand of codeine you use or a different type? any change in the way you prepared it?

Hmm Im not really sure then, it did use the same procedure and product. Ill do a few more experiments. For me it wasnt placebo though, u cant compare Heroin or other extremely pure / strong substances as they are so much more stable compounds opposed to codeine which breaks down with heat, light and other factors.

 

[5ativ4]

I dont think the the size of the particulate in the tap will do anything re: filters etc. Like ashley said..you IV with both with no difference you can notice.
PS. My GF seems too think the oppisite. She reckons it would in interfere with the osmosis process.Or some shit.

quick question..
I have only done this a few times.(CWE) and I have noticed that you MAY be able to skip the filtration part and just syphon/pour off the top clear from the gunk base with some lose. Is the filtration part REALLY necessary? or is it to get higher yields?

also where does doxalmine lie in the skeme of things..Id assume it would be up there with the codiene in solubilty ?

 

[tyrael]

....I got really worried. Why would codeine be giving me tachycardia??! It was more like listening to dubstep than a heart-beat!

Could this be due to the fact that I've been on an intense low-calorie diet for the past couple of weeks so got thrown around by the drug more than usual? ...

Diet could be a factor. Plus a possible paradoxical reaction - the human body isn't static, something could have changed. Or as Oxyuranus said, could just be generally idiopathic.

.....Just did a bit more research. Apparently all opiates are capable of causing an idiosyncratic (random) reaction.

Any drug can cause paradoxical effects (just some are known more so than others).
(being pedantic too but idiopathic would be better word to use then idiosyncratic )

Sorry mate, but you were giving advice to someone extracts using a para product. Therefore it is incredibly dangerous, especially if used on a regular basis and particularly if that person drinks alcohol....

Good advice (always good to reiterate this every now again! )! Paracetamol is a lot more water soluble then ibuprofen, so watch out if you're using a paracetamol mixture.

....Secondly - it had to happen eventually - I read in the news today that they are again calling (who's they?? i have no idea lol) for OTC codeine products to be made prescription-only in Australia....

I've heard similar talkings also! Tbh, speak to almost anyone is med/health scare profession and they'll agree! The addiction to codeine is / has been seen to increasing dramatically recently so it really would not surprise me if tighter regulations (eg, going down the amphet precursor [pseudoephedrine] path, making it purely behind the counter, or even up-scheduling it!) were put in place! Personally - totally disregarding the illicit use here - I really think there would than be quite a large gap between the OTC analgesic and prescriptions. (that is until we start to see more/better non-narcotic analgesics).

Codeine abuse leads to calls for painkiller rethink

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-06/codeine-abuse-leads-to-calls-for-painkiller-rethink/4356816

This part pisses me off, this HAS to be illegal right?

Not in the least! At the very least, think about any store, they have the right to refuse service to anyone! (getting in even more murky waters when dealing with medications)

....There's no register about how much sugar kids eat or how much fast, shit food they buy from maccas or kfc etc and diabetes and obesity is a huge problem. Alcohol and tobacco are drugs and they are abused and cause lots of deaths and issues within society and binge drinking etc and they don't record how much of that people buy, no register, you can go from place to place and buy as much shit as you like.

I'm glad someone brought this up! From a public/population health perspective, these cause a lot more damage/death/cost to society than codeine (or drug for that matter).

....Well, you can keep all the illusions of bluelight's obscurity you like, but as arguably the most comprehensive and credible public drug forum in existence (which has a locally relevant subforum, in this here Aus DD), I think it is absolutely naive to think what that what is posted on public forums....

True. Although there does exist (basic) steps to take to increase one's anonymity on the Internet, in the same token it quite easy - especially if one frequents the same sites/forums often - to "slip up" and be tracked/traced (something - computer sciences - I'm well versed in!).
Its unfortunate that the knowledge (particularly the combined knowledge in terms of users) here aren't really/well utilised. I know for a fact that it's not just "drug users" who post here.

...Not to mention that we would need a drug user (who understands the harm minimization side of it) in Parliament who is willing to bring these changes to the table.

Need, no. You would think they'd ask advice of those (professionals) actually in the midst of it wouldn't ya*?!

not to mention financially draining....Not to mention all the driving that involves to get to pharmacies I havent used recently....

Aha, addiction is bitch ey!

......lso regarding the ID recording - I'm in SA, they've never asked to see my license, just want a name & address...
so its entirely possible to provide untrue details....for the most part I believe it is just a deterrant, I've seen alot literally just throw the paper in the trash after they take it down. one or two places have entered the details into their label-printing system which I presume creates a record, and a couple I have seen keep a clipboard list with dates marked next to names so they see how often someone is coming.....

Same! Regardless though, it's a terribly flawed band-aid which has no effect what so ever*!

....The other day one that I'd been going to the entire time (far more often than I should) decided to change their tune and I was just completely straight with them and explained how it was too late for them to do anything, since they knew they'd not been responsibly providing to me for such a long period of time and if they changed things I'd make a complaint to the pharmacy guild...

I'm interested in what you mean by "completely straight"? If you told them you had an addiction, they in fact shouldn't have sold it to you. Drug of addiction cannot be sold/prescribed in the use of an addiction (including if you are just trying to get off). Responsible "selling" would involve not, and referring the person to a rehab center. I'd interested in seen the reply (if they got back) to you.

i very much doubt any of the flouride and whatever other trace elements/contaminants are going to destroy any significant amount of codeine in a CWE...

Kind of agree (Trace Elements and Public Health, Determination of Trace Elements in Drinking Water, geographic dependant obviously ). Although if you listen to water filtration companies there are a lot of nasty contaminants in tap water! 8(

* That is to say, they don't

 

[spacejunk]

^ top post tyrael

 

[Sustanon]

Repeated the CWE experiment again. Definitely wasnt placebo. Im not saying it is so much stronger but its possible to tell teh difference. Most of us are from different locations and in some places the water is horrible. Just get some tap water and hold it up in the light. Who knows what it may contain:S Anyways I made an extraction last night, used the same process as usual, filtered with a shirt then filtered with coffee filters and the solution came out crystal clear. I measured the leftover gunk from the filters. All together the leftover stuff weighed 700mg which wasnt dried 100% mind you.

Now according to my calculations Ibuprofen is 1mg / 1ml in H20. I use 120ml of water for the first wash then another 50ml or so for the second so thats 170mg + 700mg = 870mg. Out of this 700mg leftover gunk what ratios of different actives / inactives do u guys rekon it contains? Would love to work this out or get an appx number just to figure out how much Ibuprofen is leftover after an extraction. Thoughts? ps: I have no idea how much starch, pill colorings and other inactives are in those pills. Can anyone shed some light?

 

[footscrazy]

Just get some tap water and hold it up in the light. Who knows what it may contain:S

Actually, tap water is held to much stricter guidelines than bottled water here in Australia. My dad works for Melbourne Water, and at one stage they looked into producing bottled water - but producing a bottled water held to the same strict standards Melbourne Water adheres to for tap water was entirely unfeasible, cost wise. A bottled water product, tested and purified to meet the same regulations for tap water, couldn't compete price wise against other bottled water brands. Something to consider next time you're drinking your Mt Franklin

 

[Sonny Jim]

Thanks for sharing what you have found regarding bottled water vs tap, for CWE Sustanon

I think I might have noticed the same thing but regardless of that the fluoride in my area is maintained at 1mg per Litre, that makes the tap water too poisonous for human consumption IMO and as far as the latest and best literature on fluoride toxicity says. I will find the links if people are interested but really google will be your best friend here.

One guess at a possible reason is that dissolved contaminates in tap water might somehow bind or decrease the bio-availability of the cody dissolved in that nasty poisonous tap water.

edit: the extra nasty thing about tap water is that the fluoride is so hard to get out, it destroys the true economical benefit that footscazy posted above because it takes costly energy to distil the fluoride out or you can buy an expensive filter that doesn't even remove all of it. It's not like chlorine which evaporates quickly out of tap water. Then there's the other issue of pure distilled water being unsuitable for humans to drink long term as you need the trace minerals, so pure distilled water may leave you in a mineral deficit over time if you don't add some minerals to it. Some of the "bottled" water on supermarket shelves claims to be pretty much pure distilled water and this is a problem again in the long run, as far as I can tell anyway. I usually add a sachet of electrolyte powder, like gastrolyte, it's just that flavours the water which is no good for cooking. If anyone knows an unflavoured electrolyte powder please let me know. Of course not all is distilled, Mountfranklin is one that I use a lot but it costs.

Also, has anyone elsed noticed how hard it is to even find out for sure if a particular brand of bottled water has been tested for fluoride in the typical analysis info on the label, like it wouldn't surprise me if there was some insidious legislation that allowed fluoride in bottled water un-labelled.

 

[Captain Brewster]

Anyone tried it with de-mineralised water? Like the stuff you get to put in your car battery or clothes iron.

I think that's what oxyuranus was talking about, not bottled water.

 

[puffpuffpass]

I wouldn't be surprised if the toxic crap has the possibility to destroy some of the sweet nectar, sonny jim: you may be interested in Fire Water: Australia's Industrial Fluoridation Disgrace

Hope someone tries de-mineralized water, im keen to get on the sub cause codeine's not worth it anymore

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

I did a little experiment yesterday. I used bottled water for the very first time instead of tap water. I got way higher than usual. Anyone else experienced this before? Im thinking there must be so many chemicals in the tap water which might react with the codeine which can reduce its potency. Anyone else noticed this?

I have tried CWE with tap water and every time I felt nothing. Today I decided to give it a shot with bottled 'pure' spring water and around 350mg worth of codeine. Right now I'm feeling a mild buzz from it with the histamine reaction only being very slight (as compared to being unable to ignore it on other occasions).

I triple filtered the solution through coffee filters but somehow some solid material got through to the final solution (I didn't notice it till after I drank it because the solution was cloudy (Nurofen+)). Anyone know why this would be? I didn't squeeze the filters at all.

 

[puffpuffpass]

If you used a shirt on top of the coffee filters you would have greatly reduced the amount of pressure the coffee filters would have been under? Just a thought.

 

[Sustanon]

Just use a shirt to filter then if u are paranoid use coffee filters. I can filter with coffee filters within an hour. Tip: use a few wide mouth drinking glasses to catch ur filtrate in.The more u use the less time it takes to filter. Ull end up using more filters but then again there are 40 filters normally in a box with few exceptions.

Back to the bottled water, Ive repeated this experiment a number of times and can vouch that it is not placebo. I really dont understand how some people are having problems to come to terms with the facts. The water here contains all sorts of shit, now I am no expert but out of the many chemicals found in the water surely one or more of them can react with the codeine in negative or positive ways. Its really hard to disprove it. When I get a bit more free time I will do a little bit of researching on this subject Are there any others who noticed any changes apart from me?