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Misc DXM daily usage..

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so i've been low on my drugs of choice and money lately, and have been using DXM cough syrup more and more.

I don't LIKE it persay, it's just to help me relax and shit.

Anyhow i know it isn't THAT safe of a drug since that one time i took a whole bottle of like 20 or 30 10mg gellcapps a year or 2 ago. Never again that was terrible.

I'm asking if i use doses around 200mg 3/4 days of the workweek, will it put a hole in my brain or make me stupid?

But i'm sure some people drink it like water so idk FACTS please..
 
I wouldnt do it. I like to robotrip once a week mostly... Better that way. You need time to recover.
 
Uh well I've used low doses 90-150 multiple times a week and I've yet to encounter any psychological distress besides my usual anxieties. if u start trying to take doses large enough to "trip" per say daily then u will most likely experience troubles. Try looking for intervention on a&e , they made one episode of a dude who abused multiple bottles of dxm daily, and he seemed crazy as a mofo.

DXM in low doses acts predominantly as a SNRI and sigma-1 receptor agonist along with various other pharmocological properties. by itself, dxm has relatively low affinity for antagonizing NMDAr; it's 'dissociative' action comes from its main metabolite DXO
 
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There is not much research on the risks of chronic use of DXM. DXM can cause gastrointestinal disturbances. In one study DXM was shown to cause brain damage in rats when they were given high doses every day for a few weeks, but I don't think there's been any research on that in humans. Neurotoxic changes have been observed in the brains of rats administered other NMDA antagonists. Regularly taking DXM often produces psychological dependence, however, it is not known to cause significant physical dependence.

My best guess would be that like Crashing said, it would probably be similar to alcohol as far as damage.

Erowid says:

A concerning number of heavy users of DXM report worrisome problems even months after they stop taking the drug. Lasting problems have also been reported by doctors treating very heavy users of PCP and ketamine. Unfortunately, this important message has been drowned in the controversy around whether NAN [NMDA Antagonist Neurotoxicity, also known as Olney's lesions] is the mechanism for these lasting problems. Frequent "recreational" use of these dissociatives can lead to a number of psychological difficulties; in addition to cognitive disruption and annoyances, frequent users may experience delusions of grandeur (i.e., "I'm some sort of messiah"), 'synchronicity' and delusions of reference (i.e., "I was just thinking about my ex-girlfriend, and the sign I just looked at has her name on it, hence the universe must be trying to tell me to go to her house right now"), symptoms similar to manic depression, and a host of other problems.

(Whether one interprets synchronicities and deep insights as "delusions" or "Truth" is, ultimately, a matter of faith not one of logic or evidence, and I'm certainly not going to take a final position on epistemological imponderables. The yardstick for sanity is simply functionality: if you find yourself standing in the middle of the street naked, yelling about the coming apocalypse, the police are not likely to look upon the matter kindly, even [or especially] if you really are a "prophet" of God.)

In addition, regular use of NMDA-dissociatives can complicate academic and professional work and pose serious difficulties for relationships with family, significant others, and friends. Suffice it to say that regular use of these drugs puts a severe strain on one's social interactions. It is hard to be friends with an alien anthropologist, let alone wake up next to one every morning.

NAN is one of several possible explanations for the medium and long term negative consequences of heavy dissociative use. It may be that none of the proposed mechanisms are the cause of the problems reported. The evidence in favor of NAN as the mechanism is equivocal and it is important not to jump to conclusions and foreclose a complete inquiry into the issue.

All of this has been a very long way of saying we still don't know, and users need to be careful whether or not these chemicals cause Olney's Lesions.

If you are using or considering using DXM or other dissociatives, it's your nervous system that you may or may not be "frying". Evaluate your use carefully, and try to be honest. Frivolous use of these drugs seems far from wise; that their use is wise at all is open to considerable question. Many people report life-changing reorientations in philosophical perspective (myself among them); many others report becoming unexpectedly "whacked out", left wondering how they got that way. Try to take care of yourselves, whether on the path of knowledge or in the pursuit of pleasure.
 
harm will come from additives in the syrups etc

i have used it daily in first plateau and third plateau levels
psychologically you do not want to abuse dissociative drugs daily

in my experience i would recommend against what you are planing on doing
i guarantee you will feel the wrong after a month and stopping
 
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There are better NDMA antagonist.
MXE, Ketamine and 3-MEO-PCP come to mind.
They are cheaper in comparison as well and less harmful.

Relax with weed and other non harmful stuff. Don't take it every day!
 
harm will come from additives in the syrups etc
Word. Research some of the shit they put in the bottles of sirup you drink daily, most of that stuff is terrible for a lot of organs...

A buddy of mine (I know him for like 3 years) started DXM around 3 months ago has fallen (?) in love with it and doing it every day. And wow, he is really annoying to hang around with now =____= (before that he was on subutexx and benzos but he was "normal").
Personally i prefer to do DXM like once every month or even less (often less thinking of it), and in France almost pure DXM is available OTC for very cheap (i mean so it's not a question ov availibility(?sp)).
It's not something i like to do very often, even if i like it.

Well i'm rambling, sry ^^'
tl;dr => I only know one friend who do it daily and he is now all "hyper" and is having serious digestion problems. He does claim that he is a much happier person now and not depressed anymore, well... good for him, but he lost his long-time girlfriend because of his now annoying-ness, and when (his friends) see him, we feel quite sorry because he his always mumbling, writing down stuff on countless sheets of paper, refusing to go out, chain-smoking cigs and joints (he was a "light" smoker before starting his DXM daily abuyse)
Wow, still ramlin', sorry but if anybody have any kind of experience on what my friend is living, I would be grateful to hear it...
 
After years of abuse apparently no holes were noticed in MRI, CT, or Xray scans but lots of headaches, sinus, stomach and bladder problems years after quitting... Bloody urine (cured with antibiotics)... What may be permanent social and financial trouble... Maybe not all from CCC / robo since there are other drugs abused around the same years. It's not recommended.
 
Word. Research some of the shit they put in the bottles of sirup you drink daily, most of that stuff is terrible for a lot of organs...

Not sure if you guys were talking about other potential active ingredients of the "inactive" ingredients, but even if you're getting a product that only contains DXM as the active ingredient, the "inactive" ingredients are not good for you either. Most DXM syrups contain things like alcohol, high-fructose corn syrup, glycerin, propylene glycol, artificial sweeteners, chemical dyes, artificial flavors, preservatives, etc. Not something I'd want to put in my body in large quantities on a regular basis. Gel caps are probably a fair bit better at least as far as the "inactives" are concerned.
 
Most DXM syrups contain things like alcohol, high-fructose corn syrup, glycerin, propylene glycol, artificial sweeteners, chemical dyes, artificial flavors, preservatives, etc.

lots of headaches, sinus, stomach and bladder problems What may be permanent social and financial trouble

yes this is what you have to look forward to
back then you could get pure dxm powder online, might be worth looking into
 
Erowid says:
A concerning number of heavy users of DXM report worrisome problems even months after they stop taking the drug. Lasting problems have also been reported by doctors treating very heavy users of PCP and ketamine. Unfortunately, this important message has been drowned in the controversy around whether NAN [NMDA Antagonist Neurotoxicity, also known as Olney's lesions] is the mechanism for these lasting problems. Frequent "recreational" use of these dissociatives can lead to a number of psychological difficulties; in addition to cognitive disruption and annoyances, frequent users may experience delusions of grandeur (i.e., "I'm some sort of messiah"), 'synchronicity' and delusions of reference (i.e., "I was just thinking about my ex-girlfriend, and the sign I just looked at has her name on it, hence the universe must be trying to tell me to go to her house right now"), symptoms similar to manic depression, and a host of other problems.

(Whether one interprets synchronicities and deep insights as "delusions" or "Truth" is, ultimately, a matter of faith not one of logic or evidence, and I'm certainly not going to take a final position on epistemological imponderables. The yardstick for sanity is simply functionality: if you find yourself standing in the middle of the street naked, yelling about the coming apocalypse, the police are not likely to look upon the matter kindly, even [or especially] if you really are a "prophet" of God.)

In addition, regular use of NMDA-dissociatives can complicate academic and professional work and pose serious difficulties for relationships with family, significant others, and friends. Suffice it to say that regular use of these drugs puts a severe strain on one's social interactions. It is hard to be friends with an alien anthropologist, let alone wake up next to one every morning.

NAN is one of several possible explanations for the medium and long term negative consequences of heavy dissociative use. It may be that none of the proposed mechanisms are the cause of the problems reported. The evidence in favor of NAN as the mechanism is equivocal and it is important not to jump to conclusions and foreclose a complete inquiry into the issue.

All of this has been a very long way of saying we still don't know, and users need to be careful whether or not these chemicals cause Olney's Lesions.

If you are using or considering using DXM or other dissociatives, it's your nervous system that you may or may not be "frying". Evaluate your use carefully, and try to be honest. Frivolous use of these drugs seems far from wise; that their use is wise at all is open to considerable question. Many people report life-changing reorientations in philosophical perspective (myself among them); many others report becoming unexpectedly "whacked out", left wondering how they got that way. Try to take care of yourselves, whether on the path of knowledge or in the pursuit of pleasure.

That one should be posted in each and every MXE-Thread!


There are better NDMA antagonist.
MXE, Ketamine and 3-MEO-PCP come to mind.
They are cheaper in comparison as well and less harmful.

Relax with weed and other non harmful stuff. Don't take it every day!

No offense, but how can you say MXE, Ketamine and 3-MEO-PCP are LESS HARMFUL?
 
It's called mania. Can come in different forms (most usually, egomania). Typical symptom of long-term dissociative use (read up on John Lily or just pop over to the MXE megathread in Psychedelic Discussion to see first-hand proof).

Basically the guy should stop using, but good luck convincing him.
Wow, didn't know it was "that" common, will definitly check that out. Egomania, couldn't put the finger on a word to discribe his attitude, looked up others "symptoms" and that does seem to correspond. Thanks a bunch, pontif =)

Basically the guy should stop using, but good luck convincing him.
OOOoohhhhhhhhYup. Before he was on subs, he was popping Codolipranes© pills like crazy, they are [20mg codeine/400 mg apap] and are the cheapest (like 2€ for 320mg codeine), mg for mg. But he didn't want to bother with CWE that I showed him ("to long dude, I will just pop the pills") and was doing massive amounts of paracetamol (up to 6mg/a day). Glad he quit for subutex, bot only to get high, he is now on 12mg intranasaly and has no intention of coming down... He just writes tones of stuff, goes out to do 2 or 3 pharmacies a day for his DXM, writes shit down for hours, ask me tons of questions, etc...

But the DXM I do feel kinda responsable, because I was the one who introduced it to him, and since I do it like every 2/3 months really, I wouldn't think he'd do different... I know, his choices, etc... :/

/HS sorry, but he also recently got (he obviously didin't tell his psy that he was doing DXM daily) into Venlafaxine (Effexor), and have no problem taking the 2 drugs together, even if I tell him that he got a huge chance of seizuring if he keeps it up.
But even "treatening" him with that consequence doens't stop him "I don't care if I die blabla"
ramlin an' ramlin again, my bad, disregard this post. ^^
Fuzz
 
Well, now that you mentioned that 'mania' and 'egomania' I started to wonder if I've got similar symptoms to myself with daily DXM use. I used it about month not every day (my plan was originally do one week on/one off) but when I look at my drugdiary it seems I haven't kept as much brakes as I planned. Alltough I wrote here about my benzowithdrawal with DXM and told there I had done 1 week on/1 week off that isn't exactly right. I used often.

I used first 200-300mg/day then upped to 600-800mg with grapefruit juice wich boosted plasma levels and prolonged halflife significantly (at least I fealt so). So basically I was allday at about 1-2 (maybe sometimes third) plateu and at final week before I stopped I was at strong third plateu few days. Those were very strong experiences and what was very fascinating was that my cognitive abilities skyrocket at those days. I got near photographic memory etc. I don't write it here because I have started a thread for that before. If interested, you can read more here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/650045-Interesting-notice-with-DXM?p=10999109#post10999109

I can paste few things:

"DXM has cured (at least temporarily) my depression, boosted my social skills, alleviated panic attacks, alleviated tremendously withdrawal symptoms and the oddest (but sure nice) thing - boosted my cognitive abilities like memory."

"I learnt yeasterday one long bank account number in few seconds and I can still remember it easily. Never happened before so fast and easy. Numbers and words feels now more like inked to my mind. "

Those were temporarily. I don't saddly have anymore picture memory or other abilities I got then. DXM definately affected my depression etc. positively but now when you mentioned that mania or egomania it might have allso done that. I really was very maniac and wrote very much and was reading all day pubmed etc. Maybe I was annoying also from my friends opinion because I called them many times a day and told my theorys or ideas I've gotten and spoke too fast. I wasn't hallucinating any time with DXM - things just seemed more clear to me and none of my friends told me my thoughts were irrational. And well, they will. I have one VERY honest friend who definately will tell me everytime I'm acting stupid/irrationally.

Now that I haven't used DXM for sometime my withdrawal process with gabaergics has halted and infact I have upped my doses!:( I was getting very rapidly to 0,25mg of clonazepam daily and was at that amount about 1 or 2 weeks without problems but now when I'm without DXM I again find myself strugling with 0,5mg and it doesn't feel enough. So maybe I have to start using DXM again - it was really a powerful stuff for this purpose when used enough.

Edit: Infact, I've started to wonder if DXM might be a nootropic? If definition of nootropic is that 1) it boosts brain activity 2) it protects brain or at least doesn't hurt them - then DXM might fit to that cathegory. At least there are studies wich shows DXM is actually neuroprotective. Well, someone mentioned here that there is a rat study wich shows DXM causes brain damage but others one I've found didn't found any damage at any doses with DXM to rats. And others that showed DXM could act as a neuroprotectant at least in some situations like ischemic strokes.
 
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using DXM that often will fuck you up horribly.

Apart from anything it is a reasonable serotonin dumper.

What you are doing is foolish and you will run into/realise Serious problems in the not so distant future.

200mg 3-4 days a week will destroy you, don't do it...

Edit: Infact, I've started to wonder if DXM might be a nootropic? If definition of nootropic is that 1) it boosts brain activity 2) it protects brain or at least doesn't hurt them - then DXM might fit to that cathegory. At least there are studies wich shows DXM is actually neuroprotective. Well, someone mentioned here that there is a rat study wich shows DXM causes brain damage but others one I've found didn't found any damage at any doses with DXM to rats. And others that showed DXM could act as a neuroprotectant at least in some situations like ischemic strokes.

Don't kid yourself... MAYBE therapeutic doses, occasionally can be neuroprotective but what you experienced was mania.
 
One should also consider the possible effects that the actual syrup does to the stomach and intestines as it passes through the digestive system...I heard somewhere that it eroded the lining of the stomach. Makes sense to me, cuz I've chugged it plenty of times and the feeling of it going down your throat (not to mention the taste) is not exactly pleasant or natural...then the following 24 hours are spent constantly in the bathroom with the runs can't be a good sign either. Just think about this-its a simple situation if you use common sense (ie. Is it exactly a good idea to be on any substance constantly?). Good luck with it
 
Okey I don't try to defend DXM use but I don't see why those those additives in cough syrups were as dangerous as many here and elsewhere has stated. Has someone actually studied those additives?

Now I'm reading a bottle of my local pharmacy's DXM cough syrup and it contains:

Sorbitol 500mg/ml
Fructose 137mg/ml
Sucrose 1mg/ml
Ethanol 50mg/ml
Glycerol
+ Aroma and purified water (I suppose)

So what?

About one can of coke, one beer and 600g of prunes. Okey fructose is unhealthy and cause fatty liver disease etc. but sorbitol - is it dangerous? I don't know, I really don't think so but it is laxative and will make your shit fly. Glycerol will hydrate your body so if you drink enough water that should do only good. Unless you have high blood pressure or kidney disease to start with. One beer won't kill you. Do you think those substances might have some kind of bad synergistic effect? I don't know, just asking.

I don't know about aroma but I suspect we are eating same kinds of things everyday in our foods nowdays.

Gastrointestinal issues from sorbitol will be allmost certain. Along with fructose it will propably boost growth of bad intestinal bacteria wich will increase intra-abnominal pressure and might cause heartburn etc. At least for me good lactic acid bacteria and water soluble fiber is enough to prevent and reverse those kind of negative changes. If you drink only coke and eat prunes all day you will propably get same kind of gastrointestinal issues.

Also there is one product that contains only maltitol with DXM.
 
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using DXM that often will fuck you up horribly.

Apart from anything it is a reasonable serotonin dumper.

What you are doing is foolish and you will run into/realise Serious problems in the not so distant future.

200mg 3-4 days a week will destroy you, don't do it...



Don't kid yourself... MAYBE therapeutic doses, occasionally can be neuroprotective but what you experienced was mania.

If that message was for me then..

What do you mean by "fuck up horribly"? "Not in the so distant future" what do you mean by that, days, weeks, months, years? I really haven't experienced anything negative and I kept week off from using DXM. So do you suggest my worries would just be coming? Only things I noticed was that my clonazepam dose was going up and didn't work as efficiently anymore. Also I'm not sleeping as well anymore and depression might have gone worse wich has gotten me thinking I might have to use DXM at least once a week to keep depression away.

Edit: I have to add that when I say my depression has maybe gone worse (and other problems) you shouldn't make conclusion DXM has caused them. I would say before DXM some of my problems were at level -5 and with DXM I got to level +5 and after DXM I dropped down to level +1. Something like that.

I'm really open for suggestions I don't want to fuck up myself horribly but at least this far I've experienced only positive effects. I have quit multiple times tramadol in my life cold turkey and also SSRI/SNRI meds so I know something about being fucked up mentally and not being able to do anything. Discontinuing DXM hasn't caused any effects like that even though it is also SNRI and might affect opioid receptors. Don't know about neurotoxicity for sure of course but I highly doupt it.
 
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