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My cannabinoid tolerance has sky-rocketed over the past few days, and therefore my tolerance to weed has grown too. Damn that was quick, kinda annoying :/
 
Marijuana vs Synthetic Cannibinoids.

What would be some risks associated with a person smoking Synthetic Cannabis as opposed to Marijuana?
The synthetic Cannabis I have is herbs sprayed with a synthetic Cannibinoid I have no clue as to which one it is.
Its safe to assume it could be JWH018 or another one. But a lot of the synthetic Cannabinoid got banned in my country.
So psychologically and Physically what could be some risks if I smoke Synthetic?
and compare the Synthetic to the real deal.
The effects seem quite similiar but the synthetic seems to have some side effects High heart rate and getting very stoned after one toke more so than taking a few tokes of the real deal but the high seems to peak a lot stronger on the synthetic yet last a lot shorter. One more note, How addictive do you consider synthetic cannabis? and how addictive do people consider the real deal?

I just smoked the a little bit of the Synthetic Cannabis my high is about 1 hour long thus far. No Anxiety present whatsoever, a moderate body high, a relaxed mental state blank state thinking but about irrelevant things , a strong physical hunger sensation aka munchies I am able to maintain but this synthetic cannabis seems to increase hunger dramatically. I also noted that I have an increase urge to play video games or gamble or get involved with tasks that are entertaining especially tv shows, video games.
Seems like the Synthetic cannabis blend where one doesnt want to go anywhere just stay at home play video games and eat. What synthetic cannbinoid is it? Another note don't feel too stoned and seem to feel mentally stable no state of uncontrollable laughter etc. an decent increase appreciation of music.
 
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the synthetic cannabinoids tend to be a lot more powerful than thc

for my intents and purposes I'll just say that any dangers regarding cannabis go double for synthetics

that's not even getting into carcinogenic action
 
Have any of you used synthetic Cannabis? How much could I use it weekly without getting into Problems? What is the withdrawal from Synthetic Cannabis like?
btw the Synthetic Cannabis I smoke isn't the most potent strain of synthetic. High is pleasant though.
 
if you are already hooked on weed youll get hooked on the noids 100%. i know this from my and friends experiance.
quiting for a break is more or less the same effort as with weed though. i think smoking synths and regular weed once a week is the maximum not to get hooked again atleast ime
 
AM2201 and Alcohol

I feel like from seeing this combo first hand I should try and let people know about the consequences. So here's a little story to make more sense of this.

So for anyone who hasn't heard of AM2201, all I really know about it is it's a very potent cannabinoid being sold as a research chemical, active from 0.005mg and it doesn't target a particular receptor (I'm not a wizard with chemistry like a lot of people on here) and I have used it a fair bit now, and over all I think it's amazing.

So I find this stuff feels a bit like weed, just the body load is way more intense and you only need like, 1mg to get blazed for a good 30-40 mins. So I ordered another batch and went out for the weekend, everyone was equally impressed with this substance and having an awesome time. Then some people went out to the pub drinking while I stayed in with some people taking K and smoking this stuff (truly an amazing combo), so I'll skip to people getting home from the pub around 2 in the morning.

Everyone was really eager to get blazed on this stuff again, so we rolled up a single skin for everyone, chatting away and starting smoking. One guy I hadn't met before looked like gravity was against him, slowly slumping to the floor and his body was really twisted. He started crying and throwing up on himself whilst trying to walk for about 30 mins whilst lying down flat, telling us to say sorry to his sister over and over (found out in the morning he thought he was about to die). My other mate who was drinking couldn't stand up or string a sentence together, and then passed out until afternoon (he then told me that it was the most unpleasant thing he had ever experienced, like a K-hole gone bad and described it as 'being on deaths door'). My other mate managed to crawl halfway across the room and spew everywhere, and also passed out (later telling me the same, a way too intense experience with nothing pleasurable at all).

So only the drunk people went this way, no idea what chemical reactions could of been happening in there heads, but myself being spangled on K and the whole room being distorted, I managed to keep myself together all night whilst I helped a friend look after them all. Lucky for me she seemed to know what she was doing and took great care of everyone, getting water and towels to rest peoples heads out of there own vomit, but at the time I did think there was a chance of people dying, not a nice head to take K on if i'm honest :P.

So if anyone else likes AM-2201, avoid alcohol with it, and if your going to mix it with something, tread carefully, it could turn really bad and it's an extremely potent substance.
 
aguythatlikessmoke said:
Have any of you used synthetic Cannabis? How much could I use it weekly without getting into Problems? What is the withdrawal from Synthetic Cannabis like?
btw the Synthetic Cannabis I smoke isn't the most potent strain of synthetic. High is pleasant though.
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no one can tell you how much to use/ not use, as it is very subjective. some would say that since youre already questioning your use, it may be that you are experiencing patterns of denial, uncertainty or other emotions associated with a drug habit. but thats just my opinion.
 
trees_please said:
no one can tell you how much to use/ not use, as it is very subjective. some would say that since youre already questioning your use, it may be that you are experiencing patterns of denial, uncertainty or other emotions associated with a drug habit. but thats just my opinion.
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Yea I have a slight drug Habit. Whatever sometimes I feel that living life high ain't too bad.
I guess Moderation is key with everything.
 
Zedoric said:
I feel like from seeing this combo first hand I should try and let people know about the consequences. So here's a little story to make more sense of this.

So for anyone who hasn't heard of AM2201, all I really know about it is it's a very potent cannabinoid being sold as a research chemical, active from 0.005mg and it doesn't target a particular receptor (I'm not a wizard with chemistry like a lot of people on here) and I have used it a fair bit now, and over all I think it's amazing.

So I find this stuff feels a bit like weed, just the body load is way more intense and you only need like, 1mg to get blazed for a good 30-40 mins. So I ordered another batch and went out for the weekend, everyone was equally impressed with this substance and having an awesome time. Then some people went out to the pub drinking while I stayed in with some people taking K and smoking this stuff (truly an amazing combo), so I'll skip to people getting home from the pub around 2 in the morning.

Everyone was really eager to get blazed on this stuff again, so we rolled up a single skin for everyone, chatting away and starting smoking. One guy I hadn't met before looked like gravity was against him, slowly slumping to the floor and his body was really twisted. He started crying and throwing up on himself whilst trying to walk for about 30 mins whilst lying down flat, telling us to say sorry to his sister over and over (found out in the morning he thought he was about to die). My other mate who was drinking couldn't stand up or string a sentence together, and then passed out until afternoon (he then told me that it was the most unpleasant thing he had ever experienced, like a K-hole gone bad and described it as 'being on deaths door'). My other mate managed to crawl halfway across the room and spew everywhere, and also passed out (later telling me the same, a way too intense experience with nothing pleasurable at all).

So only the drunk people went this way, no idea what chemical reactions could of been happening in there heads, but myself being spangled on K and the whole room being distorted, I managed to keep myself together all night whilst I helped a friend look after them all. Lucky for me she seemed to know what she was doing and took great care of everyone, getting water and towels to rest peoples heads out of there own vomit, but at the time I did think there was a chance of people dying, not a nice head to take K on if i'm honest :P.

So if anyone else likes AM-2201, avoid alcohol with it, and if your going to mix it with something, tread carefully, it could turn really bad and it's an extremely potent substance.
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This Synthetic Cannabis is tough stuff. I smoke it as well. How addictive would you consider the Synthetic vs the Real deal? I have a forum I opened up. Though the synthetic cannabis I smoke is sprayed on herbs so I dont even what I am smoking though I would say for certain that it has to be a newer one because in my location a lot of synthetic Cannabis got banned a lot of the varieties.
 
no dude it was a legitimate question, ive never even smoked synthetic though. im just speaking from what ive seen myself. and yes, moderation is essential
 
Roger&Me said:
Most synthetic cannabinoids produce terrible dependence and withdrawal, orders of magnitude worse than cannabis.
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Can you spread some info on the dependence part. I smoke alot of the synthetic weed/spice for over a year now a few times a week and sometimes in large quantities. I havent had any dependence problems besides the psychological dependence but thats not a problem for me. Im was wondering about physical dependence.

From smoking alot of this stuff i can say that it will make you slightly retarded. Maybe its just me idk but using that stuff for a while now and things dont always 'click' for me if that makes any sense. As for psychological addiction its a bitch. Kinda like crack minus the bad stuff associated with crack. The brand i mostly use is very potent and a few gravity bong hits will send you tripping. Problem is that 'intense trip' only lasts about 10-15 minutes and i find myself redosing constantly to stay fucked up. I can be in the bathroom for hours at a time smoking coming down, smoking coming down etc.

Ill find myself fiending on that stuff just to get a hit and high for the next 10 minutes. Its psychologically addicting and now im not smoking as much. If you have self control you should be good and not like me running to the gas station because you need another bag because it didnt last as long as you had planned.
 
Yea that is the same thing i was wondering about. I know this stuff has strong Psychological dependence because I didnt smoke it for a few months and then I felt like lightin up the high is good though it can vary buts its good. I used to smoke the blends that get you triiping those since became illegal here now the still sell spice but blends that are a bit weaker yet still get u messed up but tolerance to it also grows.
I am wondering about the physical dependence. To me the spice or blends dont seem to cause this retardation effect u mentioned, yet sometimes the next day if I smoked before sleep I would have a hangover. I find that real weed messes with my memory more than the synthetic. IDK why.
 
Any experiences with UR-144 here? I read conflicting reports, some places 1mg is lots, other places 10mg is required.

I dissolved mine in oil (hemp oil, just to be consistent) and I have dosed up to around 3mg orally with no effects.

I have also plugged up to 2mg, with no effect. Well, I've just plugged 3.5mg and I'm waiting to find out. I don't know if cannabinoids dissolved in oil are pluggable though, does anyone know?

I like to avoid smoking.
 
Just guessing that for oral dosing you'd have to ramp the doses up compared to smoking. I would guess 5 mg might be a good starting point for oral - and then gradually move up until you find the spot. I've never seen anyone mention sublingual dosing, you could be the pioneering guineapig for us Knock. :)

No idea about plugging, and oils, sorry.
 
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