Bardeaux
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I've done this alot with 2C-I and Mushrooms in the past. 3-5mg of 2C-I or .5-1g cubensis have worked well when I needed to boost my social performance or increase my energy level a little.
Low doses of psychedelics for extra energy and as a motivational boost
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i´ll will write my law exam in a year so i am going to start trying to do this in a few test.
i also tried with ritalin, but there is to much stimulation and anxiety for me. also it does not feel healthy. in the evening i always feel totaly burned out.
so i hope i will have some succesfull experiences.
i will report here as soon as i start. i will start next week.
i will do it < 3/week. what could possible side-effects be ?
any other experiences ?
i also tried with ritalin, but there is to much stimulation and anxiety for me. also it does not feel healthy. in the evening i always feel totaly burned out.
so i hope i will have some succesfull experiences.
i will report here as soon as i start. i will start next week.
i will do it < 3/week. what could possible side-effects be ?
any other experiences ?
I am 60 years old. I was a member of Art Kleps' Neo-American Church when he was still living in Vergenes Vermont. My mentor back then was Glen Macbeth, head of the Lucrezia Borgias lecture Society. the slogan was "we poison the minds of American Youth"... Our bibles back then, besides Art's BOO HOO BIBLE, were the works of Tim Leary, Tom Wolfe, and others. Wolfe's THE ELECTRIC KOOL AID ACID TEST was the first definitive work on the 1960's, LSD, and the psycho-spiritual quest of the early hippies and acid pioneers. There is a chapter in Acid Test in which this very question is debated heartedly: should you take low dose LSD and attempt to deal with the world and your life thru psychedlic eyes? I bought into the concept for awhile...
Altho I was seduced by the imagery and the seemingly freedom back then, now, 40 years and more later, I think it was a dumb fucking idea. In the Boo Hoo Bible Kleps says that the most important thing in life is what you are doing RIGHT NOW. So pay attention and do it well. The mundane world and the psychedelic world have definate boundaries. It is really difficult, if not impossible, to be a howling wild man in a desert and - at the same time - be a bank clerk or mortgage broker.
I made a lot of mistakes in my voyage thru life... one of them was deliberately mixing different planes of reality and expecting people to applaud my journey, when in reality I was scaring the piss out of many of them. I would urge noobies to keep the different spheres of their lives separate. Take a trip to Brazil ( or to Burning Man) if you need to experiment with a new psychedelic, but don't try to inflict your enthusiam on your loved ones back home. Your life will be much easier and you'll hurt far less people, this way.
Altho I was seduced by the imagery and the seemingly freedom back then, now, 40 years and more later, I think it was a dumb fucking idea. In the Boo Hoo Bible Kleps says that the most important thing in life is what you are doing RIGHT NOW. So pay attention and do it well. The mundane world and the psychedelic world have definate boundaries. It is really difficult, if not impossible, to be a howling wild man in a desert and - at the same time - be a bank clerk or mortgage broker.
I made a lot of mistakes in my voyage thru life... one of them was deliberately mixing different planes of reality and expecting people to applaud my journey, when in reality I was scaring the piss out of many of them. I would urge noobies to keep the different spheres of their lives separate. Take a trip to Brazil ( or to Burning Man) if you need to experiment with a new psychedelic, but don't try to inflict your enthusiam on your loved ones back home. Your life will be much easier and you'll hurt far less people, this way.
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daturaface
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A low mescaline dose, in my opinion, is a much nicer, stronger, cleaner and longer lasting stimulant than most amphetamines or other common uppers (caffiene, BZP ...) It's as if the energy is completely natural, CNS stimulation as a result of mental excitement, as opposed to mental excitement as a result of CNS stimulation like most conventional uppers.
If not to much focus is required, half a hit of LSD alleviates life's mundanity without reducing one to and overanalysing, schitzo mess. Perfect for when errands build up.
Post DMT energy/clarity is my favorite, though. Five plus hours of clean energy and realistic stokins.
If not to much focus is required, half a hit of LSD alleviates life's mundanity without reducing one to and overanalysing, schitzo mess. Perfect for when errands build up.
Post DMT energy/clarity is my favorite, though. Five plus hours of clean energy and realistic stokins.
But DaturaFace, what do you consider half a hit of LSD? Back in the late 60's and 70's, when both Sandoz and orange sunshine were abundant, a full hit of LSD was whatever caused total dissolution of the EGO... within 60 minutes of taking the acid you, as a discrete individual, no longer existed. You had become the drop of rain, merging with the infinite ocean. Then gradually, over the next 12 hours, you slowly climbed your way back to consensual reality. This was usually about 500 micrograms of LSD.
On the other hand, if you were going to a Pink Floyd concert or David Bowie's Diamond Dogs tour, you would usually ingest about 100 micrograms. This way - altho you might lurch a bit - you could still get to the bathroom and take care of business without peeing all over your pants.
On the other hand, if you were going to a Pink Floyd concert or David Bowie's Diamond Dogs tour, you would usually ingest about 100 micrograms. This way - altho you might lurch a bit - you could still get to the bathroom and take care of business without peeing all over your pants.
PepperSocks
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I've tried this, once with 2C-D that ended up an actual profound psychedelic experience when I hadn't taken a psychedelic in a year and was generally hiding from my 'inner self'. I was glad to be in a safe place/good setting when I tried it. Don't try it for the first time at work or going to a lecture. 
Another experiment after finding that I couldn't use amphetamine on a regular basis (even small, lower than therapeutic adderall doses) was with DOI. Even 0.5mg would tickle my 5-HT receptors enough to make me anxious and tense as all hell. I started at 1mg; it was an actual low dose trip, I dropped to 0.5 and still couldn't handle it in a public scenario. It was obvious in it's character that there would be either taking too low a dose to have any effect or the 'few tenths of a milligram' effect. It also wasn't the slightest bit motivating. Anxiety is a potent de-motivator for just about anything but finding a way to remove said anxiety.
Some people are better at handling psychedelics in public, are less anxiety prone, and I can see how a low dose psychedelic glow would have energy benefits. It just doesn't work for me, my brain is too sensitive to psychedelics, public scenarios, just about any stimuli in general
5-HT agonists are good psychedelic agents, best used at doses that break through that anxious come-up phase, but not crazy, naked in the streets doses. I always thought that was a cliche made up by the media before reading many events of it happening to BLers.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Another experiment after finding that I couldn't use amphetamine on a regular basis (even small, lower than therapeutic adderall doses) was with DOI. Even 0.5mg would tickle my 5-HT receptors enough to make me anxious and tense as all hell. I started at 1mg; it was an actual low dose trip, I dropped to 0.5 and still couldn't handle it in a public scenario. It was obvious in it's character that there would be either taking too low a dose to have any effect or the 'few tenths of a milligram' effect. It also wasn't the slightest bit motivating. Anxiety is a potent de-motivator for just about anything but finding a way to remove said anxiety.
Some people are better at handling psychedelics in public, are less anxiety prone, and I can see how a low dose psychedelic glow would have energy benefits. It just doesn't work for me, my brain is too sensitive to psychedelics, public scenarios, just about any stimuli in general
5-HT agonists are good psychedelic agents, best used at doses that break through that anxious come-up phase, but not crazy, naked in the streets doses. I always thought that was a cliche made up by the media before reading many events of it happening to BLers.
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not crazy, naked in the streets doses. I always thought that was a cliche made up by the media before reading many events of it happening to BLers.
I watched one of those programs recently where they follow police around. There was a guy, thankfully only semi-naked in his boxers, shouting 'we are one!' at passers by as he was placed in the car, cuffed. Transpired that he was on mushrooms. To be fair the guy seemed to handle being in a cell and everything, when he was obviously tripping absolute balls. I've spent a night in a cell, and even being drunk found it soul-destroying, so I feel you need to hand something to the geezer.
Anyway, on topic... I've used aMT a couple of times in this fashion (very low dose I mean), and found it worked well for this purpose. Makes sense when you think how it was used in soviet states. I however am always fighting temptation to take it to the next level, but I think that's just me. Something to work on there...
PepperSocks
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I'm going off topic > Social thread to follow your quote.
Al_S_Dee
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Low dose LSD is a great anti-depressant/motivator/energizer.
What's a low dose? Hard to gauge with pre-fabbed blotters from who knows where but generally equivalent of 50-70 mics seems to do the trick. Great night at the bar or any other social place.
Just my 2 cents...
What's a low dose? Hard to gauge with pre-fabbed blotters from who knows where but generally equivalent of 50-70 mics seems to do the trick. Great night at the bar or any other social place.
Just my 2 cents...
Sweetshare
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As antidepressant i would recomend MXE.
Frequent use of psychedelics threatens imbalance of serotonin in the brain. This leads to frequent mood swings, depression, mental illness.
PepperSocks
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^ Yeah, after experience I have to say using psychedelics even low doses in any frequency causes stress levels to climb, and they don't easily come back down. I wouldn include MXE in there as well; seems fairly stimulating, 'mind pressuring'.
For the anti-dep/motivator/etc. I've been having success with caffeine, and low doses of a mild opiate (16mg of codeine, some kratom).
Stimulants are sometimes used sporadically when called for, but as I've learned they also increase stress levels that are take a while to come back down; leaving you worse off than you were before. I think mild stimulant use is safer psychologically than frequent psychedelic use though.
For the anti-dep/motivator/etc. I've been having success with caffeine, and low doses of a mild opiate (16mg of codeine, some kratom).
Stimulants are sometimes used sporadically when called for, but as I've learned they also increase stress levels that are take a while to come back down; leaving you worse off than you were before. I think mild stimulant use is safer psychologically than frequent psychedelic use though.
any major dude
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I personality haven't had just a whole lot of experience in this area. However I do take extremely low doses of psychedelics when I receive a new batch of what have you. On a few occasions I have felt that it may have been somehow beneficial. The experience that comes to mind is one with about 5mg 2c-c. I was just going about my day as per usual & went to a mindfulness meditation sitting & it was one of the more productive meditations I'd had at that point. Impossible to solely attribute to the drug, I know. But still felt as if it was a strong contributor.
I haven't really had any luck using them as cognitive enhancers though. But in all fairness I haven't explored that area very much.
James Fadiman is currently doing some research on microdosing. Dunno how one would go about reporting their experiences though. I'll look into it.
I haven't really had any luck using them as cognitive enhancers though. But in all fairness I haven't explored that area very much.
James Fadiman is currently doing some research on microdosing. Dunno how one would go about reporting their experiences though. I'll look into it.
Long term low dose use of Psychedelics causes "mental illness"..? Worrying if true! Not that I doubt it's true.
Many years ago, I noticed that reading complicated stuff was easier on a low dose of 2c-d. It took a number of goes to work out how to dose it & at what levels. I was using 10mg intranasal, every half hour or so, until I hit the right feel, then I'd jump in a hot bath with a tricky book & was very surprised by the effects! Very nootropic. Then, in an effort to see if the drug was simply motivational & would help enthuse me for ANY work, I tried to use it for physical work & it was a no go. Didn't produce enough push to enjoy hard work, unlike with my mdpv & mephedrone efforts! 8)
Many years ago, I noticed that reading complicated stuff was easier on a low dose of 2c-d. It took a number of goes to work out how to dose it & at what levels. I was using 10mg intranasal, every half hour or so, until I hit the right feel, then I'd jump in a hot bath with a tricky book & was very surprised by the effects! Very nootropic. Then, in an effort to see if the drug was simply motivational & would help enthuse me for ANY work, I tried to use it for physical work & it was a no go. Didn't produce enough push to enjoy hard work, unlike with my mdpv & mephedrone efforts! 8)
lazydullard
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Low doses of 2-CE was bad bad for me. Lots of anxiety and fear. A full trip was nice, but low doses didn't help me none. It's been 2 years since I've tried it. I don't have my notes with me.
After like four days of low dose 2-CE I remember coming up with lots of crazy conspiracies and such. Avoid if you're prone to that schizo game.
After like four days of low dose 2-CE I remember coming up with lots of crazy conspiracies and such. Avoid if you're prone to that schizo game.
Foreigner
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I've experimented with theobromine from raw cacao and it completely wrecked me. It disturbed my nervous system, digestion, mood, everything... AND it was addictive. I couldn't achieve baseline without taking more, so I just quit it.
You have to be careful when you take supplements that make claims to "increased energy and wakefulness". They are often stimulants that will deplete your adrenals, and you'll just end up needing more.
Sorry, I don't mean to shit on this thread. I think it's a useful discussion. I just had a really bad experience with theobromine and I don't want others to potentially go down the same path. As far as I'm concerned, the whole raw cacao fad is a scam.
I take this combo every morning and it increases my alertness, wakefulness, and energy levels while being supportive:
- rhodiola
- ashwaganda
- astragalus
- cordyceps
- chaga mushroom
- Chinese ginseng
All are in extract form. I had to figure something like this out because I'm a rapid metabolizer of caffeine so coffee never worked on me.
You have to be careful when you take supplements that make claims to "increased energy and wakefulness". They are often stimulants that will deplete your adrenals, and you'll just end up needing more.
Sorry, I don't mean to shit on this thread. I think it's a useful discussion. I just had a really bad experience with theobromine and I don't want others to potentially go down the same path. As far as I'm concerned, the whole raw cacao fad is a scam.
I take this combo every morning and it increases my alertness, wakefulness, and energy levels while being supportive:
- rhodiola
- ashwaganda
- astragalus
- cordyceps
- chaga mushroom
- Chinese ginseng
All are in extract form. I had to figure something like this out because I'm a rapid metabolizer of caffeine so coffee never worked on me.
This is great for getting things done around the house and in the yard. Not my fav for being around strangers, too much behavioral affectation. Usually I run errands before hand, eat a meal, then go for the dose.
2ce: works at .25 mg to 2mg (oral). This mixes well with +/- 1g of pramiracetam. Rhodiola combines with either/both, increasing physical stamina effect and the lightly trippy headspace without adding to confusion. I get a spacey confusion at 3mg-12mg - it's too much to be focused and functional and not enough to be comfortable.
Mescaline (hcl preferred, cactus powder too variable): 10mg-50mg gives the day a sparkle. 50mg-100mg is where things get a little strange and productivity takes a hit. Beyond that is linear into tripping territory. Coffee amps the body up a bit, hardly the mind. 25mg in the morn with coffee to titrate wakefulness is great. You can really keep a nice eye on the Effect/Time curve with this one. Piracetam makes it pretty speedy (synergy) so dose down accordingly.
4-ho-met: <1mg is all really. Stuff gets too spacey and wonky on this one. Better suited for sitting down and doing something, not really all that functional. A couple mg's is nice for a video game, but well outside the purpose of the thread.
Mushies: .1g-.5g and is similar to ho-met in effect but not as clear. Coffee or green tea is a ticket to aimlessly racing thoughts and the uncomfortable sides of too much caffeine.
2ce: works at .25 mg to 2mg (oral). This mixes well with +/- 1g of pramiracetam. Rhodiola combines with either/both, increasing physical stamina effect and the lightly trippy headspace without adding to confusion. I get a spacey confusion at 3mg-12mg - it's too much to be focused and functional and not enough to be comfortable.
Mescaline (hcl preferred, cactus powder too variable): 10mg-50mg gives the day a sparkle. 50mg-100mg is where things get a little strange and productivity takes a hit. Beyond that is linear into tripping territory. Coffee amps the body up a bit, hardly the mind. 25mg in the morn with coffee to titrate wakefulness is great. You can really keep a nice eye on the Effect/Time curve with this one. Piracetam makes it pretty speedy (synergy) so dose down accordingly.
4-ho-met: <1mg is all really. Stuff gets too spacey and wonky on this one. Better suited for sitting down and doing something, not really all that functional. A couple mg's is nice for a video game, but well outside the purpose of the thread.
Mushies: .1g-.5g and is similar to ho-met in effect but not as clear. Coffee or green tea is a ticket to aimlessly racing thoughts and the uncomfortable sides of too much caffeine.