• CD Moderators: someguyontheinternet
  • Cannabis Discussion Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules

[MEGA]Community Growing advice, tips, tricks, & experiences Part 5 (2012-2013)

Unfortunantly, I have to chop it all down, no matter what I fucking do, I get fucked in the ass by these god damn caterpillars, fucking stupid.
What a shit year.
 
Oh well, at least you know now to prepare for next year so you can avoid them from the start.

Hopefully it'll go better next time but you've still got something at least I hope.
 
Yeah, Ill prob save myself a few months from having to buy any 'medical' supplies.
I have so much effing weed that Im going to have to wash with ISO though...It's depressing.
Like, an entire paper bag (from the store, the large ones) full of bud, maybe a bag and a half.
Which is why I considered making the Ice hash. is butane extraction pretty difficult? How long does it take?
How much would it run me?
(Just asking, because I tested making some ISO with this last week, let it dry out, and it is just harsh, I'm not sure if I'm doing it wrong or what, but it just doesn't taste right. (91%, If I can't find another method , I will order 99% online) .
Also, what confuses me is when I do ISO, they recommend 30 second wash, which is what I did.
But, why is it, when making green dragon, with 40% alcohol, you leave it in for weeks?
How much is going to get left behind in this method?
I understand it's probably the most 'sterile' considering how dirty the crap I'm dealing with is.
Also, if I have my clippings on the gargage floor, and sweep them up with dust and dirt and what not, if I use the clippings for ISO, from the ground, will the dirt make it into the final product?
I will probably use quite alot of cheese cloth, and multiple passes , just curious.
Sorry I'm so all over the place lately, I've stopped smoking, as I applied for a new job, and my stress and anxiety is just through the roof, feel like I'm a bit crazy.
Can't sleep at all. Day 4 on about 2-3 hours of sleep

And yeah, I will DEFINITELY have to remember to prep before hand next year, maybe you can remember for me, if I cant remember, lol.
We smokers have such good memory huh.
Thanks for all the help AE, I really appreciate all the help you've been giving and all the knowledge you bring to the table.
Wonderful to have you here helping all of us :)
 
Was speaking to my grandfather today about the ISO, he was saying that Isoproply alcohol has some Isomers that don't entirely evaporate after being used?
Anyone know anything about this?
Said ISO probably isn't the best thing to use.
Said to try everclear? lol
Maybe I should just go with butane?
(if there is truth to this)
 
Butane extractions are very easy to do. It only takes about 30 secs to complete but you have to be sure to purge your product afterwards. You can do this by repeatedly freezing and thawing it using your freezer.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'how much would it run me?'.

91% is too weak iirc. It takes weeks to make green dragon because of the water content. I wouldn't use dirty trim to make iso personally but I'm sure it would still work. You shouldn't do multiple washes with the iso, just one 30 second wash is fine.

If I were you I would just get a set of sprungbags or bubblebags and be done with it (the former are cheaper and just as good IMO). They work well enough for lots and lots of people to fork out the money to invest in them, so that should say something. Good iso hash is pretty much as good as it gets. You could mix in BHO into the ice hash to make jelly hash if you wanted, giving you a super potent hash that would knock you on your ass.


Prelude2TragedyII said:
Yeah, Ill prob save myself a few months from having to buy any 'medical' supplies.
I have so much effing weed that Im going to have to wash with ISO though...It's depressing.
Like, an entire paper bag (from the store, the large ones) full of bud, maybe a bag and a half.
Which is why I considered making the Ice hash. is butane extraction pretty difficult? How long does it take?
How much would it run me?
(Just asking, because I tested making some ISO with this last week, let it dry out, and it is just harsh, I'm not sure if I'm doing it wrong or what, but it just doesn't taste right. (91%, If I can't find another method , I will order 99% online) .
Also, what confuses me is when I do ISO, they recommend 30 second wash, which is what I did.
But, why is it, when making green dragon, with 40% alcohol, you leave it in for weeks?
How much is going to get left behind in this method?
I understand it's probably the most 'sterile' considering how dirty the crap I'm dealing with is.
Also, if I have my clippings on the gargage floor, and sweep them up with dust and dirt and what not, if I use the clippings for ISO, from the ground, will the dirt make it into the final product?
I will probably use quite alot of cheese cloth, and multiple passes , just curious.
Sorry I'm so all over the place lately, I've stopped smoking, as I applied for a new job, and my stress and anxiety is just through the roof, feel like I'm a bit crazy.
Can't sleep at all. Day 4 on about 2-3 hours of sleep

And yeah, I will DEFINITELY have to remember to prep before hand next year, maybe you can remember for me, if I cant remember, lol.
We smokers have such good memory huh.
Thanks for all the help AE, I really appreciate all the help you've been giving and all the knowledge you bring to the table.
Wonderful to have you here helping all of us :)
Click to expand...


Prelude2TragedyII said:
Was speaking to my grandfather today about the ISO, he was saying that Isoproply alcohol has some Isomers that don't entirely evaporate after being used?
Anyone know anything about this?
Said ISO probably isn't the best thing to use.
Said to try everclear? lol
Maybe I should just go with butane?
(if there is truth to this)
Click to expand...

No, that's not true. If you get something pure like electronics grade isopropanol it will be extremely pure, not just because of a lack of water content but also because you don't have other impurities. When the isopropyl alcohol evaporates it leaves a clean product. Just like with butane you need to make sure you have the right product though. Remember, they're not made for making hash so you have to be careful.

It is very important to get 99% pure isopropyl alcohol.

btw isopropyl alcohol is itself an isomer.

By the way I totally get how you feel about having loads of weed. When you're sitting in front of a massive pile of weed, like a kilogram of the stuff or whatever, it certainly gives you a different perspective on things. It makes you cringe at the thought of people spending what they do on crappy dealer weed.
 
Last edited:
I know right, I've never even had this much, still not a ton, but seeing how easy it is to grow, and how much you get, and the prices are still 300$+ an ounce. Crazy.
I really wonder what my grandfather was talking about with the ISO then.
That kind of confuses me that 8-9% water content makes such a huge difference.
Is that easy to explain or would it be a chem lesson? lol
Thanks again buddy,
I'm looking forward to trying Kumanoi(spell check) X Lebanese next grow. :D

As for how much butane would run me, I mean, I don't know how to set it up, I can google it,
but I remember seeing my uncle using like, metal pipe (like fencing, with the rounded metal tops) , and having a spot where he could put in the tip of the butane. The bottom was basically the rounded top on most metal fencing, and he would scrape the hash off of that. Didn't look expensive, except for the butane . lol
Butane only takes 30 seconds?! I thought it took a long time.
What is purging?
Would I have to order the bags for ice hash online, probably so, I can't think of any stores that have them.
So, have you made all of these? Which is the highest quality? (In your opinion) and which is easiest to make.
I may end up just listening to your advice in the first place, and just doing ISO since I plan on cooking most of it into butter.
And considering how much crap is in the bud, I would think that some of that might get through on the first few screens with the ice hash huh?
Butane I don't imagine would take any of the nasties along with it, but I'm not too sure.

I smoked for the first time in a few times today, shared a joint with my g/f , had to stop half way in because I was as high as smoking 2-3 , nice not having a super high tolerance, just wish it stayed that low . lol
 
I'm not much of a chemist, but water is a polar solvent and so oily cannabinoids don't dissolve in it very well. This is why water is used to make ice hash, as the trichomes remain undissolved and fall to the bottom after the junk has been filtered off. Isopropanol is not fully non-polar like butane for example , but it's good enough for our needs. However if it's not pure and has some water content, it doesn't work as well for the reason explained.

For BHO, makeshift pipes do work well. The butane washes straight through, dissolving the resin with it. That takes 30 secs or however long. Purging gets rid of residual butane content, making it safe to consume. Look it up on uk420 as it'll explain how to do it by freezing and thawing in depth. Vacuum purging is an alternative.

Yes the bags are ordered online unless you want to get ripped off (just like a lot of things I dare say) unfortunately. Sifting with a tumbler gives the best quality but ice hash is good because it gives strong hash and is slightly more efficient. BHO is strong but perhaps more expensive long term and definitely less practical. Unless you build a tumbler IMO the best all round method is ice hash made with Sprungbags because they're cheaper than the alternative Bubblebags. The particles will not get through the finer screens, no.

Butane I would not recommend because accidents happen, butane is expensive long term as I said and impurities are an issue. One brand could be clean one week and have impurities the next.

I harvested some outdoor bud today and the colours and smell were amazing. I'll post pics later, including some Kumaoni ones so you know what to expect in an outdoor grow. So far I can confirm it is mould resistant (grey mould).
 
Last edited:
I said I would post some pics of my grow so here we are. I am so impressed with this year's strains, I'll definitely be doing them again.

NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_162738.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_103114.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_160149.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_188321.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_192372.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_99506.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_51684.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_79557.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_174496.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_74507.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_47445.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_84151.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_93817.jpg


NSFW:
med_gallery_51167_2607_135409.jpg
 
Beautiful colors!!
What week are they?

So , I talked to my uncle, he's going to let me use his equipment for making butane hash, I am ordering some 99% ISO on Monday aswell.

I am really curious to find out how much I will actually end up with, and what my final butter product will be like, (strength wise), Is there a top on how much hash I can put in the butter before it reaches it's peak on how much THC can be soluble into the fat available?
 
Thanks, I'm not sure because for outdoor plants I usually go just by harvest date rather than time from start to finish. That photo was taken on Saturday (6th October). The biggest purple plant still hasn't been harvested yet but it's going to be ready very soon. I've decided next year I'm really going to go at it. Now I'm a bit more confident about my spot, I'm going to install small greenhouse next year.

I don't know what the yield will be but I can try to find out if you don't manage to yourself. But as for how strong the butter can be, if you're using more potent hash it can be made very strong indeed.
 
Hehehe, yeah, I want to make 'Omg Im dying' butter. or 'Omg is this butter laced with acid' lol.
Ive attempted many timed before, but as I've said , per pound of butter, its difficult to add more than 2 -3 ounces of bud, and even then, the butter seemed mediocre.

So, I will be doing half ISO and Half Butane.

I was trying to look up the THC content that butter can handle, or at what point, adding more THC to butter is a waste, didn't find much.

Though I did fine, 1 ounce of medium / highgrade bud, should yeild 3-6 grams of oil. (butane extraction, no idea with iso , though I doubt they would be far off from eachother)

I am ordering some Colibri butane tomorrow (unless you know of better brands? I heard they were pretty good.)
I may order some 99% ISO as well.

Ahh, I'm getting excited, even if most of my bud was trashed by the damned caterpillars, I will have my THC!!!

I'll try to get some pictures in Tuesday/Wednesday, sorry I've been ridiculously busy with work and my girl.
(I also haven't been smoking, letting my tolerance drop, smoked once in the past 10 days, cause I ate too much when I went out with my girl)

Time for me to start doing some deep research on making these hashes. and Hash butter ratio.

Thanks again AE, awesome pictures :D , I will only have pics of dry buds really, (still have a few tiny little buds on my plant outback, might take a few pics when I cut some down, but until then)
They are pretty decent, for having cut them so early, I was surprised to see quite a few amber trichomes (10-15% maybe), but saw quite a few more clear trichomes, than I would like.
Just means I'll have to smoke more for my couch lock, since that seems to be the only solution for my insomnia.

Sleep is a serious bitch without smoking, no joke, I've only been getting 1 1/2 - 3 hours of sleep.
Sucks though, because since I stopped smoking, I've had some scary ass dreams, I believe thats a side effect of stopping smoking though.

Anywho, I'll be back soon.

(And a green house out in the open, you have some balls man, I would be terrified to do that, unless I used the same spot for a few years and no one ever found it, which is prob your case huh,
We must live in COMPLETELY different terrain)
 
Well, good hash is far far more potent than bud would be any day, so you can get in a lot more cannabinoid content without the flavour being affected than if you were using the equivalent amount of bud. As long as it's strong enough it'll be fine.

Colibri is an okay brand to use. Get a better deal by buying in bulk if you can. And don't forget to do it outside. I know people do it indoors and say it's okay with a fan, but this is not the case at all. It must be done outdoors for it to be at all safe. Also wear thick gloves - the sort used by people operating kilns, eye protection and an apron or labcoat. You don't want to get the stuff on your skin, even if it doesn't catch fire.

As long as you say there were 10-15% amber trichomes I really think it'll be fine so I wouldn't worry.

By the way, the whole late harvesting thing with amber trichomes is overstated. You really want to come from the perspective that there is a peak harvesting window when the plant is ripe, not later = more couchlock and earlier = more heady. Really if you want something to knock you out the best thing to change is the strain, but you probably already know that anyway :)

The great thing about guerilla growing is even if your grow is found, greenhouse and all, nothing will ever happen to you. Most people if they were going to do anything, would steal your plants rather than call the filth.
 
Last edited:
Well, I've been looking a lot on google , trying to find the ceiling ammount of how much THC will be absorbed by butter.
I will probably be making about 1 - 2 lb of butter. But I'm not sure if I should use most, if not all of the hash that I make , or if I should just use some,
my only fear is if I add too much, butter will stop absorbing THC, and I waste some hash/weed.

I am going to buy a 12 pack of Colibri , you think that might be enough?
I will be doing it outside, lol, I always feel like if I do something involving gas inside the house, my house would do something like the apartment in the movie FightClub, haha.

I'll have to buy some new gloves then, and an apron. Eye protection? Should I just use safety glasses, or sunglasses, does it matter?

And I keep going back and looking at the trichomes, really odd, some areas have a 25% amber ratio, and some really have about 5-10%, so my guess is yeah, average of 15%.

I'll check everything again tomorrow, hopefully I didn't harvest TOO early, though it is very well a possibility, I still have some decent sized buds left on the plant outside though

Also , what do you mean about the amber trichome over rated thing? I always did this because I have really bad insomnia, and it just knocks me on my ass when the bud consist of a large amount of amber trichomes. Seems when ever I smoke a clear/cloudy mix, I get energy to go out and do things in nature, this also might have been due to my extreme tolerance though.
I really wasn't even getting high anymore because of my tolerance, I would smoke 3-4 joints with maybe .2 , .3 grams of hash in each, and just getting buzzed , or close to being high, but never stoned.

I really wanted to stop smoking so I can get that high back, I remember when I wasn't smoking every day, and just once or twice a week, I would get so high, I would just want to eat, then lay down, I also remember my vision going dark quite a few times when I used to get that high, not sure if that's unhealthy, or a black out, or what, but I sure enjoyed it.
I hope I can get back to that point, I feel like maybe I've smoked so much weed that it will never have that special feeling again :( , lol.

Anyways, I might try a guerilla grow , along with my regular grow next year, who knows, always nice to try something new. maybe throw a few poppy seeds out there too, haha.

I'm getting excited about this weekend :D
 
Apparently coconut oil has a maximum saturation point of about 18g resin per pound of coconut oil so I can't imagine butter would be that much different. Although this is approximate obviously.

A 12 pack of colibri is fine for your batch I would imagine. Don't use sunglasses, no. Buy some cheap plastic safety goggles - the type available at every hardware store. Sunglasses will offer little protection although it is better than nothing, not that I'm condoning using them.

What I meant is that some people get obsessed with wanting a heady or couchlock type high. With the latter they leave it for longer than is ideal in the hopes that it will have a big effect on the nature of the high when in reality the high won't change that much. There's a peak window of opportunity within which THC concentration is at it's highest and you should be concentrating on harvesting then, not pushing it as late as possible to get as much of a couchlock high as possible. The biggest factor that determines the type of high is actually the strain, not whether it is harvested early or late. So you if you want something that knocks you out choose a good indica rather than trying to change what you've already got if you see what I mean. I'm not saying there's no difference between early and late harvesting but it's highly strain and phenotype dependent and usually the effect of leaving it to go a little while longer is actually fairly negligible, all things considered.
 
Well, I definitely have safety glasses at work, I can borrow a pair from there.
I also saw the coconut oil thing in a thread , but , never heard of using that, lol.

I was just curious because I've heard so many horror stories, like, someone taking 1/8th of an inch of banana bread made with cannabutter and thought they were dying, and similar reports,
but all of the butter I've made never came out more than just 'mediocre' , eat a cookie or two, and got a buzz, not much of a trip/stoned/high.

But yeah, I agree strain is the main factor, as its CBD that also plays a part in the whole couch lock right? That's why I think I got Northern lights and stuck with that for so long.
I don't leave my buds out for too long (though I did on my first ever outdoor harvest a year or two back.)
I try to harvest them when they are at their peak maturity, not past. Seems the bud degrades quite quickly after that point.

Anyways, I orders the 12 pack earlier today. Said I should get it by next tuesday or before, Im HOPING before. How long should it take, total, to make all of this hash?
Also, should I get a hand pump vacuum to purge the hash? I saw this on a video somewhere, in some random thread.
Or I remember you , or someone saying freezing it multiple times to purge ? What is purging? removing impurities?

Ugh, I have so much bud that needs to be trimmed, but I reallllly dont want to do it, been working 12 hour days, well, better get to it, lol, thanks for all the info :)
 
CBD doesn't cause couchlock at all, it's a commonly held myth.

Should take less than a day I guess. Purging removes leftover butane, yes. I would do a proper vacuum purge and yes, a vacuum pump would work well I would imagine, although you would need to make a vessel to contain the bho obviously. This is one of the reasons this method is a but more involved than you might expect, although it is important because butane is toxic.
 
Last edited:
1st Time Stealth Closet Grow

I decided I'm going to try to grow some weed, strictly personal use anywhere between 2-6 plants, I have a space about 2 feet deep, 3 feet wide and 4-5 feet high. This space isn't definitive, like there will be leeway room but it will not be bigger then the dimensions just mentioned, I ideally want to grow some high-end bud that is easy to grow. I would love to hear advice on:
1. What lights to use, ideally cheaper is better, but I definitely want effective and efficient lights that will do the job adequately
2. Paint the grow area white (if so what paint) or foil pro's and con's of both?
3. Input & Output fans where to locate them on the box & what type/power work best?
4. Reflectors for above the lights, what to use?
5. Soil?
6. Strains?
Any other advice? I have about 1 month to get my shit together & make the grow box, collect supplies, and learn as much as I can, then 4-5 months to grow the dope, is 4-5 months long enough to start at germination to harvest?
 
adam west said:
getting rid of the stank is really important. ideally you want a vho lamp. i dunno about painting but lots of people do the foil thing.
Click to expand...

Wow. You stole my avatar.

Like... Verbatim. I put that color rim around the picture in photoshop and the right border has always been a little more pixel heavy.

+1 for originality.

:|
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top