indybreaker
Bluelighter
got sum good shard this morning for a change, nice n rushy n got the shakes . great day for work!!
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8ft-Sativa
Bluelighter
Arrr .... Careful dude! .... Just saying...
That's a shit tonne of Xanax and i'm really surprised an Aussie Dr gave you that much after you said you were abusing alcohol. Those Xanax make it WAY to easy to live a tweaker lifestyle and ignore the dreaded comedown.
indybreaker
Bluelighter
thanks for looking out for me dude. might hit him up for seraquel (used to be prescribed it) instead to have after my last twizzle, but have never been addidcted to benzos tho either
PelicanOnThePipe
Greenlighter
Hi Biscuit/Bluelighters,
First post, I hope I can help with clearing up any concerns anyone has regarding isopropylbenzylamine as a cut or to mimic MA.
I read your posts(and others) regarding your concerns about the quality of your MA and i am fairly certain that what you are referring to is actually N-Isopropylbenzylamine Hydrochloride. Unfortunately..
Please note that colour testing by sodium nitroprusside(Simons Test) gives a positive(blue) result to methamphetamine and depending on the concentration and the age of the Marquis reagent, it can give a 'false' or weak positive after 30 seconds whereas a positive Marquis test usually takes less than 10 seconds.
One significant issue is that the various spectra may or may not be included in the libraries installed in the instruments present at most forensic laboratories. So what that says is the three alkybenzylamines commonly used to cut or mimic methamphetamine will test as high purity MA in most forensic analyses which could open up a legal can of worms.
Isopropylbenzylamine has the same molecular formular,similar molar mass, slightly higher melting point and is a structural isomer to MA so it is safe to say that it will mimic MA fairly easily. I have witnessed it used intraveniously and excited the consumer as it doubled in volume and gave him the hot flush and blurred vision which i was informed to be an indication of quality.. And they were daily users.
I have consumed MA fairly consistantly for over 6 years and once i had that stuff, I knew something wasnt the same, 7g crystals are nearly impossible to digest(not to be confused with consume..haha) in MA. MAkes your heart race, and thats about the only thing it does do which gives you the sensation you think you should have. Sweat is pungent, no motorvation and higher consumption.. Enough to make me stop using instantly.. Cold turkey.. Luckily for me I had a habit not an addiction.. The pipe is more addictive than the drug in my opinion/situation... If I didnt have a pipe I wouldnt bother with the stuff..
Although most of this post is from personal experience and extensive study of the substances I consumed, the technical facts are from DEA literature.
I hope this post is clear and informative to all.
Take care.
Pelican
First post, I hope I can help with clearing up any concerns anyone has regarding isopropylbenzylamine as a cut or to mimic MA.
I read your posts(and others) regarding your concerns about the quality of your MA and i am fairly certain that what you are referring to is actually N-Isopropylbenzylamine Hydrochloride. Unfortunately..
Please note that colour testing by sodium nitroprusside(Simons Test) gives a positive(blue) result to methamphetamine and depending on the concentration and the age of the Marquis reagent, it can give a 'false' or weak positive after 30 seconds whereas a positive Marquis test usually takes less than 10 seconds.
One significant issue is that the various spectra may or may not be included in the libraries installed in the instruments present at most forensic laboratories. So what that says is the three alkybenzylamines commonly used to cut or mimic methamphetamine will test as high purity MA in most forensic analyses which could open up a legal can of worms.
Isopropylbenzylamine has the same molecular formular,similar molar mass, slightly higher melting point and is a structural isomer to MA so it is safe to say that it will mimic MA fairly easily. I have witnessed it used intraveniously and excited the consumer as it doubled in volume and gave him the hot flush and blurred vision which i was informed to be an indication of quality.. And they were daily users.
I have consumed MA fairly consistantly for over 6 years and once i had that stuff, I knew something wasnt the same, 7g crystals are nearly impossible to digest(not to be confused with consume..haha) in MA. MAkes your heart race, and thats about the only thing it does do which gives you the sensation you think you should have. Sweat is pungent, no motorvation and higher consumption.. Enough to make me stop using instantly.. Cold turkey.. Luckily for me I had a habit not an addiction.. The pipe is more addictive than the drug in my opinion/situation... If I didnt have a pipe I wouldnt bother with the stuff..
Although most of this post is from personal experience and extensive study of the substances I consumed, the technical facts are from DEA literature.
I hope this post is clear and informative to all.
Take care.
Pelican
MINION:
Where is the evidence that methylamphetamine is being cut with 4-MAR? Please enlighten me. The precursor for 4-MAR is phenylpropanolamine (PPA), which is pseudoephedrine without a methyl group on the amine part of PPA. It is used very rarely in pharmaceuticals in Australia and I cannot see there being a large supply of it. If someone is going to import large quantities of 4-MAR, which I doubt exist, then it must be for a particular purpose beyond being a cutting agent, and such people are likely to have the connections to import high purity methylamphetamine, so why bother?
I have been involved with stimulants for 14 years and I don't believe I have come across 4-MAR ever. I also know someone who has seen thousands upon thousands of government lab test results for seized crsytalline/"ice-like" substances and NOT ONCE did the lab ever confirm a sample to be 4-MAR. It is rare beyond belief.
PELICAN:
Thank you for your input. If there is a false positive for marquis after some time then that explains why the single use testers reacted with it. Those testers seemed really effective and reacted far quicker and far better than single drop marquis from a bottle. This explains why the bottle did not react with the IPBA but the single use vials did.
I definitely noticed the unusual sweat swell after smoking.
I was also told through a friend of a friend that a person who injected about a point reported similar symptoms to what you described, which of course made them believe the gear was good and placebo probably carried them along for a good 30 minutes after that. The most tolerant and most addled of us often are the ones that actually forget they are looking for a mental high, a high that involves the neurotransmitters and receptors of the brain resulting in fabulous feelings/emotions, as opposed to physical responses in the body that for the less tweaked of us would probably make us feel that we were going to die.
I have not seen this stuff recenty however. I also do not believe that it is the substance that I discussed more recently in a thread, which was obtained from melbourne August. That was active on the CNS, it just should have provided a better experience given the other properties of the substance which pointed towards high purity MA.
Where is the evidence that methylamphetamine is being cut with 4-MAR? Please enlighten me. The precursor for 4-MAR is phenylpropanolamine (PPA), which is pseudoephedrine without a methyl group on the amine part of PPA. It is used very rarely in pharmaceuticals in Australia and I cannot see there being a large supply of it. If someone is going to import large quantities of 4-MAR, which I doubt exist, then it must be for a particular purpose beyond being a cutting agent, and such people are likely to have the connections to import high purity methylamphetamine, so why bother?
I have been involved with stimulants for 14 years and I don't believe I have come across 4-MAR ever. I also know someone who has seen thousands upon thousands of government lab test results for seized crsytalline/"ice-like" substances and NOT ONCE did the lab ever confirm a sample to be 4-MAR. It is rare beyond belief.
PELICAN:
Thank you for your input. If there is a false positive for marquis after some time then that explains why the single use testers reacted with it. Those testers seemed really effective and reacted far quicker and far better than single drop marquis from a bottle. This explains why the bottle did not react with the IPBA but the single use vials did.
I definitely noticed the unusual sweat swell after smoking.
I was also told through a friend of a friend that a person who injected about a point reported similar symptoms to what you described, which of course made them believe the gear was good and placebo probably carried them along for a good 30 minutes after that. The most tolerant and most addled of us often are the ones that actually forget they are looking for a mental high, a high that involves the neurotransmitters and receptors of the brain resulting in fabulous feelings/emotions, as opposed to physical responses in the body that for the less tweaked of us would probably make us feel that we were going to die.
I have not seen this stuff recenty however. I also do not believe that it is the substance that I discussed more recently in a thread, which was obtained from melbourne August. That was active on the CNS, it just should have provided a better experience given the other properties of the substance which pointed towards high purity MA.
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junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
yeah as bunny said be careful with shooting up dude it can grab you before ya know it.i've shot meth up once and it blew my fucking mind but i would rather smoke the stuff much more economical plus its alot more safer.....me n a mate went halfs in a half weight tonight fucking strong test result lots of bubbling and smoked for so long.....nice thick clouds and that lovellllly chemically taste.orginaly was meant to get half a G of coke and go out but all my dealer had on him when he came over was a half weight
cant complain tho still got some some lovely lovely shit witch i dont use very often.1 30mgish pipe smokes up for a good 30min with nice thick hits 
P.S use a fucking filter next time!! i was strongly suggesting you filter it but you 2 wouldnt take the hints
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popeyes mate
Bluelighter
I am sure this has come up before, but couldnt really find a thread as such. Just wondering what peoples experience with smoking meth through a water pipe have been. I have read stuff on other sites with some saying no better. Some saying hell good.
I was already well fried when a friend and I had a 'make the best bong' comp. Had a few hits from it and for me, it was a very different experience. I generally get to the stage with my pipe that I smoke and smoke and dont alter the state I am already in. However when smoked through the water I felt a bit like I was tripping I suppose. The colour of the room seemed to change a bit, and when in conversation I was finding myself thinking - wow I am pretty wasted. Strangely enough... I didnt really like the feeling. I am sure I would in time, but I kind of like that when I am on meth I still feel pretty clear and focused. After having it through the water bong I was in a different state for sure.
What are other smokers opinions?
I was already well fried when a friend and I had a 'make the best bong' comp. Had a few hits from it and for me, it was a very different experience. I generally get to the stage with my pipe that I smoke and smoke and dont alter the state I am already in. However when smoked through the water I felt a bit like I was tripping I suppose. The colour of the room seemed to change a bit, and when in conversation I was finding myself thinking - wow I am pretty wasted. Strangely enough... I didnt really like the feeling. I am sure I would in time, but I kind of like that when I am on meth I still feel pretty clear and focused. After having it through the water bong I was in a different state for sure.
What are other smokers opinions?
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Ex-Bluelighter
how were you smoking it through a bong, like snow cones on top of your mull mix, or mixed with ash like crack? personally i find the sweetpuff fun enough and you dont waste much of massively overly priced shit.
had a tiny burn last night less than 10mg i would guess, first time in a year regrettable...anyway my heart felt like it was trying to jump out of my throat counted 145bpm took 10mg of diaz just to take the edge off and sleep.
what is the highest bpm you have experienced? i dont remember my heart getting that revved up in the past when i was well into it and using breakfast lunch and tea...
had a tiny burn last night less than 10mg i would guess, first time in a year regrettable...anyway my heart felt like it was trying to jump out of my throat counted 145bpm took 10mg of diaz just to take the edge off and sleep.
what is the highest bpm you have experienced? i dont remember my heart getting that revved up in the past when i was well into it and using breakfast lunch and tea...
Christ!
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If you have a large amount it might be worth a go. Never seen it done here but while in the US I saw meth bongs - the size of the hits were always suprising, here in aus you get people mostly being really careful not to waste any. Over there they would waste heaps of smoke just because their lungs couldn't fit anymore, and then blow out the remaining smoke/vapour from the chamber, which was thick and perfectly fine
if I had a magnet that attracted all the drugs people waste and misplace I'd be so happy.edit: oh right, just read the second paragraph. Not sure if bong could account for the trip, maybe just phychological? I always used to pop a boner when about to smoke weed as a youngen
Or maybe it was some kind of residuel chemical? Do any of your friends smoke synthetic cannabinoids in the very same bong device? To sum up - I don't think you need water cooled meth vapour, unless you are inhaling very large amounts perhaps? I've never had problems with lung pain.
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junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
i think hes talking about using a sweetpuff bong.just a sweet put put into a bong instead of a metal stem and cone piece.i haven't tried it personally but i hear you get a great rush out of it and once you finish all ur meth you can drink the water or evap it n get a nice high out of it
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Ex-Bluelighter
oh yeh i lived with these peeps that had a similar bong type device but they only used it for crack...had the brillo in the stem
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
yeah i hear there the way to go.gives a wicked rush and once you used all ur meth u cn drink all the water n get a great buzz.i've been meaning to make one but as soon as i have a pipe or 2 i just think fuuuuuck it n keep twirling that pipe
grrrrrrrrrrrrr i hate it when people call meth crack! it aint fucking crack its meth or ice.crack is freebase cocaine
popeyes mate
Bluelighter
The bong I made was fresh that night, and the glass pipe I inserted in it which was mine and only ever used for meth. No pot. Just Meth. I had been smoking all day, maybe even 2 and just wanted to try something different as I had just scored a large amount so didnt mind. I have now been on it since 4pm yesterday and I can assure you no matter how much I smoke through my pipe tonight, I am not going to alter where I am at right now.
However through the water bong (sml plastic bottle with my pipe coming out the top) with about the same amount Id usually smoke trialed, altered my state for sure. Had amother the following afternoon and same effects. Like I said I didnt really like how I felt so removed the pipe, binned the bong and have not tried it again. It really felt like the room took on a sepia tone, sound was slightly distorted too. No idea why, but for me it was different.
Laugh years ago I was in bed and my heart was pounding and I think it was about 140. Never really check it but some night when I jump into bed just to rest it is hell going. Just checked and its 125 now. I dont exercise much so I wonder if that counts? ;-)
However through the water bong (sml plastic bottle with my pipe coming out the top) with about the same amount Id usually smoke trialed, altered my state for sure. Had amother the following afternoon and same effects. Like I said I didnt really like how I felt so removed the pipe, binned the bong and have not tried it again. It really felt like the room took on a sepia tone, sound was slightly distorted too. No idea why, but for me it was different.
Laugh years ago I was in bed and my heart was pounding and I think it was about 140. Never really check it but some night when I jump into bed just to rest it is hell going. Just checked and its 125 now. I dont exercise much so I wonder if that counts? ;-)
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
my bpm was at 110 the morning after going through that half weight with my mate.just dont do any full on exercise and you should be right all we did was sit around watching drug docos and cranking beats rambling for about 15 hours hehe
all we did was sit around watching drug docos and cranking beats rambling for about 15 hours hehe
headdah
Bluelighter
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grrrrrrrrrrrrr i hate it when people call meth crack! it aint fucking crack its meth or ice.crack is freebase cocaine
hey shut up you crackhead
Here in Australia, when crack is used its generally 99 times outta 100 in reference to METH.cracky = glass pipe, crackhead = meth users/abusers/addicts etc.
Crackbong = FANTASTIC. I had tried one at a mates place and was like omfg this is wicked. So as soon as I got home I made one outta a powerade bottle. Over that week-2week period my usage had gone through the roof, and yes I was high as a kyte. But I decided it was wayyyyyyyy wayyyyyy too costy, and making an already addictive drug even more addictive by using a crackbong so I stopped using it
With a crack bong, I can go through a point in 4 puffs. I'd hold in the smoke as long as I can and still blow out a fat cloud of smoke.
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Ex-Bluelighter
Nsw I've always heard crack as cooked coke (freebase) usually smoked through cig ash or brillo...meth is usually always referred to as meth, crystal, ice, Gerry rice
Headdah were talking about hitting crystal or crack through the bong? I agree shit goes quick and money burns holes
Happy long weekend ya tweekers...put your hand up if you haven't seen the back of your eyelids since fri morn
Headdah were talking about hitting crystal or crack through the bong? I agree shit goes quick and money burns holes
Happy long weekend ya tweekers...put your hand up if you haven't seen the back of your eyelids since fri morn
Sustanon
Bluelighter
Nsw I've always heard crack as cooked coke (freebase) usually smoked through cig ash or brillo...meth is usually always referred to as meth, crystal, ice, Gerry rice
Headdah were talking about hitting crystal or crack through the bong? I agree shit goes quick and money burns holes
Happy long weekend ya tweekers...put your hand up if you haven't seen the back of your eyelids since fri morn
Ive been seeing just half of my back eye lids all weekend
headdah
Bluelighter
Headdah were talking about hitting crystal or crack through the bong? I agree shit goes quick and money burns holes
Happy long weekend ya tweekers...put your hand up if you haven't seen the back of your eyelids since fri morn
I was referring to meth yo
Happy long weekend to all o ya
I slept yesterday only just woke up a few hours ago Ive been seeing just half of my back eye lids all weekend
hihi I shall be doing the same thing tomorrow at about lunchtime onwards i reckons
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
hey shut up you crackhead
cracky = glass pipe, crackhead = meth users/abusers/addicts etc.
Crackbong = FANTASTIC. I had tried one at a mates place and was like omfg this is wicked. So as soon as I got home I made one outta a powerade bottle. Over that week-2week period my usage had gone through the roof, and yes I was high as a kyte. But I decided it was wayyyyyyyy wayyyyyy too costy, and making an already addictive drug even more addictive by using a crackbong so I stopped using it
get effed fool!
it causes confusion even tho the majority of retarted aussie wouldnt know the dif between meth and real crack. meth pipe=glass pipe metheads=meth addicts keep it simple - Status