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Drugs and religion.

Your post is disturbing. I have a deep seated belief in Christianity and the things you say here (the fire and brimstone) sounds Southern Baptist to me. I believe in a loving God, and I also think that some drug is making you write this stuff that you are Jesus Christ and Buddha and all that crap.
 
I grew up in the church, now my thoughts on the subject are somewhere along the lines of

"am I the only person who thinks the people who wrote the bible were OBVIOUSLY tripping major balls?!"
 
Jesus died for me. He is my savior. That's all I understand for sure, after all these years of going to church, listening to sermons, studying the Bible, and being around Christians.

I don't dig Christians very much though. They damn sure don't dig me.

My DOC should be God but it isn't.

I can't change that
 
Drugs brought me to God. No doubt. If I hadn't have taken so much damn acid, I wouldn't be the man I am today, no if and or buts about it.


Yeah.. tripping brought me to God, but away from religion. I realized that all religion is BULL SHIT, but the basic principles are always good. I base my beliefs on a general knowledge of every religion, and my own personal experiences... as everyone should. Having God by my side has GREATLY improved the quality of my life, I no longer need to do drugs as often (though I still do occasionally) and I'm at peace with myself for the first time in 10 years. My depression has receded and I'm happily looking at the rest of my life and all of the potential that God has given me.

Say what you want... but it's made my life exponentially better, and I'm thankful for it and His guidance everyday.



Drugs that are good and enlighten for the soul:
Mushrooms
LSD
DMT
MDMA (used responsibly)


Drugs that repress and confuse the soul:
Alcohol
SSRIs
Tobacco
Opiates (when abused)
Benzos (when abused)
MDMA and amphetamines (when abused)
Basically, just any drug when abused.
 
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I got close to God, in my case I call him Jesus, after taking LSD too. I know totally what your saying.
 
To me, Religion is a belief but doesn't necessarily define who you are. You can do drugs and it not be a sin. I mean, practically everything is a sin these days. Just keep praying. I am Jewish but am more spiritual. I pray quite often, but I don't do many drugs anymore. And the drugs I did do (which was A LOT) I don't consider it 'haunting' me. If you want to stop, just stop and move forward the way you believe Jesus would want you to live. I personally pray to G-d, but If Jesus is your higher power, it's all good. :)
 
religion = attempt to control the world's population and make money

war on drugs = = attempt to control the world's population and make money
 
XThexXTank said:
Hahahaha how can you tell??
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Have you read the book of revelation? I can't quote it off the op of my head but it was written by an apostle after his ' divine visions' of such things as multiheaded beasts rising out of the water and destroying the world.

Also, last time I checked virgins don't have kids and the dead don't rise on the third day.

Now why could be a simple exlination for these delusional ideas and hallucinations? Trytamines maybe?

I'm just saying that IMO its just as likely, if not more, than that book being a factual account.

It could also just be generally metaphorical and allegorical, not having been written with the intent of the reader interpreting it literally.

There's some really good stuff in the bible, but when it comes to its factuality I just have some serious doubts. Religion is based on faith, so I suppose no one can quantitatively prove it true, or false for that matter.

My brother actually ended up studying theology and I have years of church and fundamentalist Christian school unde my belt. My opionions are not off the cuff and would love to discuss it further but this iPhone makes it rather cumbersome :/
 
I am a fundamentalist christian and a Biblical scholar and I've spent a fair amout of energy considering whether drug use by a christian is sinful or incompatible with the Bible, and it depends on the person. There is nothing inherently evil or sinful about drug use. There is a passage that compels believers to submit themselves to authorities, which is problematic for using illegal drugs..............but it is quite easy to argue that the war on drugs is evil, unjust, and man-made and itself contradicts the Bible, so I discount that.

When I say it depends on the person, I mean it depends on how the person allows drugs to affect them. It's entirely possible to use drugs to enhance prayer and passion for God. Unfortunately drugs usually just become an excuse for self indulgent & licentious behavior. If drugs are just a doorway you travel through in order to do things you would consciously be ashamed of, then you have your answer.
 
Jesus talked to a burning bush. You're telling me he wasn't tripping?

Most mystic religions involve psychedelics, or did at some point. If you read between the lines in scripture, you can usually deduce that psychedelics were used, even if it were something as innocuous as people burning temple resins (frankincense, myrrh, etc.) in a closed space and becoming transic. Humans have always used substances to achieve altered consciousness.

I personally don't understand why someone would sit there praying or meditating their entire lives in such strict discipline and probably never have an epiphany, when they could just use psychs and advance their consciousness hugely. I owe much of my spiritual expansion and growth to psychs. Most ancient pagan systems used them before organized religion came in and became the middle man between them and the Divine. If you cut out all the harping egos of the priesthood and just go right to the source, you're bound to have a Divine experience far more readily than if you boringly prostrate yourself in a church or do the necessary number of Hail Marys.
 
I grew up in a real lax sort of a family when it came to religion. I mean, I was baptized roman catholic and made my first communion, went to CCD for a short time but never made confirmation; my mother took me out of CCD when she felt that I had enough of it, a good enough religious "foundation," but we never went to church or anything, at least not unless someone died.

I was free to explore other religions and philosophies, and so that's sort of what I did. There wasn't any one in particular that I subscribed to, and there still isn't any one in particular that I subscribe to, but I do believe that my purpose here is to become a better person, a more forgiving and truly empathetic person.

So, and as silly and as stupid as this may sound, well... I began to do drugs because drug addicts were a group of people that I felt no empathy for, and they were a group of people that I sort of disdained. And I'm not sure that one can ever feel true empathy for a drug addict without experiencing a drug addiction or something like it first, so, I took up drugs.

It's much like Hesse's Siddhartha where, in order to attain enlightenment, first Siddhartha must gamble, drink, sleep with prostitutes. It wasn't enough to just never do those things. Siddhartha had to take up those things first in order to give them up, and then and only then had he truly overcome that sort of attachment to worldly possessions and vices.

It might have been a stupid thing for me to do, but, I definitely, definitely feel a more sincere empathy for drug addicts now. lol And so that's sort of where my religious or philosophical beliefs relate to drugs and using drugs.
 
The Dope Man said:
religion = attempt to control the world's population and make money

war on drugs = = attempt to control the world's population and make money
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yee ya!

ganja, mushroom, lsd all heavenly?

Religion is just straight fucked up...any clown that believes in the bible / qua ran is a sheep...selfish fools that you it as an excuse to be greedy

Religion is good for war & herding sheep

Il give them credit for some of the best fictional stories dreamt up...great use of metaphor etc but its just bs!!! :)
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says that drugs cannot be used morally outside of medicinal uses... but I ignore that, because it makes no sense without defining what a drug is. So... ha :)
 
I've been brought up in an orthodox christian family, in an orthodox christian environment, baptised, taught the values, yada yada yada. I don't know what's up with it, but I guess only kids can believe in all that stuff in the way the church would hand it out. So I did too, while I was a kid. Then I stopped. I know what I percieve as God, and I can have high moral standards and treat others with kindness and respect without commiting to various religious rituals and all that jazz. Drugs come with that, they helped me realize that. I can proudly say that I did a shitload of drugs and that I'm a better person by religious standards than all the propaganda-spreading-hysteria-inducing nazis masked as patriots and "God's children".

Still, I maintain appearances, just for the sake of not disappointing my parents, mainly my mother. Sigh.
 
Heroic said:
I've been brought up in an orthodox christian family, in an orthodox christian environment, baptised, taught the values, yada yada yada. I don't know what's up with it, but I guess only kids can believe in all that stuff in the way the church would hand it out. So I did too, while I was a kid. Then I stopped. I know what I percieve as God, and I can have high moral standards and treat others with kindness and respect without commiting to various religious rituals and all that jazz. Drugs come with that, they helped me realize that. I can proudly say that I did a shitload of drugs and that I'm a better person by religious standards than all the propaganda-spreading-hysteria-inducing nazis masked as patriots and "God's children".

Still, I maintain appearances, just for the sake of not disappointing my parents, mainly my mother. Sigh.
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Somehow I still believe in Jesus Christ. Not sure how, but I think it has something to do with the Catholic Church making the most sense to me. If I have to pick one religion to follow, that would be it. I don't agree with everything though.
 
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