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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Hello everyone, Excuse this madness because I'm on valium for the first time, and I feel quite zwanky.

Anyway, I went through a stint with perc 30s (never more than 1/day, usually less) and did that for around a month, when I tried to quit, I couldn't handle the feverish/fluish withdrawls that I wasn't even expecting. I work a ton so this was problematic. Do I goto work obviously withdrawing and not being myself or do I take the very minimum of percs to just feel "normal" with a mild high? At the time, it was an easy decision and I kept doin' them. Fast forward a couple of months and I REALLY got tired of waking up feeling like shit. I sought an alternative in Suboxone, hearing it does "miracles".

And miracles it did.

I started off by taking 1/8 of a 2mg strip (twice a day) and that worked fine for the most part. I kept taking these amounts for around 4 months until it slightly escalated this month and I started taking around 1 mg/day. Well that didn't last long. I was like, what the fuck am I doing? I decided to just quit everything and kept looking in the mirror saying, "clean it up, you motherfucker". Well my final two days I took 1/8 strip one day (had withdrawls) and the next day took my very last 1/8 strip (of 2mg). I went through a day and the withdrawals were quite annoying. Can't sleep, kinda a little pain, but no diarrhea. On day2 (yesterday) I found a 5mg lortab and took it to make the withdrawl subside a bit (and ultimately prolong the inevitable...heh! facepalm) but was able to sleep a lil bit. Now I'm on the 3rd day (getting ready to be 4th, however one day removed from the 5mg tab) and I'm still feeling pretty wretched but manageable. The whole thing boils down to lack of sleep that's such a nightmare. I can deal with everything else, but when laying in bed uncomfortable - it's the most annoying thing ever. I've been eating strawberries, grapes, mandaring oranges, and pounding V8 POmegrante. Meds I've been taking - Advil, NyQuil, Immodiom (thanks bluelight!) Mutlivitamin, and fish oil. I want to note that I feel much better (relatively) after taking 2000mg of fish oil. I never seen that mentioned in here, but I recommend adding it to the Thomas Recipe or whatever.

My question is: How much longer I got? I've had to call into work the last 2 days because of "flu" but I've got work piling up and I'm in no state of mind to do it right now. Am I looking at weeks feeling like this? All this 1/2 life shit suboxone has me a bit perturbed. On a side note, I took a 10mg valium and I feel 80% better and will probably fall asleep after I post this message. I'll get up tomorrow and check out the replies and answer any questions you may have.

I never considered what I was doing was "heavy". I've seen heavy but I'm just curious if I'm still screwed until next week (this weekend?). Gonna try to sleep now, will check on my phone in a bit.

PS. GREAT FORUM. I believe my "~mild" withdrawls are heavily influenced by the OTC recommendations ITT. Not even a 1% chance I'm taking the shit ever again - fact.

EDIT: Just to reiterate, I've got most of the withdrawl symptoms you'd expect except RLS and Diarrhea. I'm not sure if it's the meds, foods, somewhat small amount of usage, or all of above. I've been living on strawberries, banannas, and grapes plus everything I mentioned above. I just want to know how long I've got. Should I plan a "vacation"? This would ruin some business relationships but I gotta do what I gotta do.
 
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I took suboxone earlier today and was interested to see if it would slow down an opioid like people said it would. I got a little extra and 10 hrs later used it. I def felt all of it plus the xtra. I have 4 mgs of the sub left. That will be enough for me to get through the mild withdrawals I will have without loosing a beat. I'm ready to be sober for awhile. This statement seems likely to me: If you use a low amount of MGs and use one does of Sub at a team, it pretty much won't slow the opioid down at all (especially a powerful one). Some may experience this different, but I couldn't find any really opinions on this from others.
 
The_Questions said:
Hello everyone, Excuse this madness because I'm on valium for the first time, and I feel quite zwanky.

Anyway, I went through a stint with perc 30s (never more than 1/day, usually less) and did that for around a month, when I tried to quit, I couldn't handle the feverish/fluish withdrawls that I wasn't even expecting. I work a ton so this was problematic. Do I goto work obviously withdrawing and not being myself or do I take the very minimum of percs to just feel "normal" with a mild high? At the time, it was an easy decision and I kept doin' them. Fast forward a couple of months and I REALLY got tired of waking up feeling like shit. I sought an alternative in Suboxone, hearing it does "miracles".

And miracles it did.

I started off by taking 1/8 of a 2mg strip (twice a day) and that worked fine for the most part. I kept taking these amounts for around 4 months until it slightly escalated this month and I started taking around 1 mg/day. Well that didn't last long. I was like, what the fuck am I doing? I decided to just quit everything and kept looking in the mirror saying, "clean it up, you motherfucker". Well my final two days I took 1/8 strip one day (had withdrawls) and the next day took my very last 1/8 strip (of 2mg). I went through a day and the withdrawals were quite annoying. Can't sleep, kinda a little pain, but no diarrhea. On day2 (yesterday) I found a 5mg lortab and took it to make the withdrawl subside a bit (and ultimately prolong the inevitable...heh! facepalm) but was able to sleep a lil bit. Now I'm on the 3rd day (getting ready to be 4th, however one day removed from the 5mg tab) and I'm still feeling pretty wretched but manageable. The whole thing boils down to lack of sleep that's such a nightmare. I can deal with everything else, but when laying in bed uncomfortable - it's the most annoying thing ever. I've been eating strawberries, grapes, mandaring oranges, and pounding V8 POmegrante. Meds I've been taking - Advil, NyQuil, Immodiom (thanks bluelight!) Mutlivitamin, and fish oil. I want to note that I feel much better (relatively) after taking 2000mg of fish oil. I never seen that mentioned in here, but I recommend adding it to the Thomas Recipe or whatever.

My question is: How much longer I got? I've had to call into work the last 2 days because of "flu" but I've got work piling up and I'm in no state of mind to do it right now. Am I looking at weeks feeling like this? All this 1/2 life shit suboxone has me a bit perturbed. On a side note, I took a 10mg valium and I feel 80% better and will probably fall asleep after I post this message. I'll get up tomorrow and check out the replies and answer any questions you may have.

I never considered what I was doing was "heavy". I've seen heavy but I'm just curious if I'm still screwed until next week (this weekend?). Gonna try to sleep now, will check on my phone in a bit.

PS. GREAT FORUM. I believe my "~mild" withdrawls are heavily influenced by the OTC recommendations ITT. Not even a 1% chance I'm taking the shit ever again - fact.

EDIT: Just to reiterate, I've got most of the withdrawl symptoms you'd expect except RLS and Diarrhea. I'm not sure if it's the meds, foods, somewhat small amount of usage, or all of above. I've been living on strawberries, banannas, and grapes plus everything I mentioned above. I just want to know how long I've got. Should I plan a "vacation"? This would ruin some business relationships but I gotta do what I gotta do.
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You might want to plan a vacation just so you don't have to worry about calling in sick, and then relapsing so you could make it back to work without calling in sick too much. Your dose was low and I can't imagine you being 'out of commission' for more than 3 days. If you lay around doing nothing you will likely feel worse, so try to stay active and you should have your energy back faster. Even with heavier addictions I have always been a lot better by day 5, and could definitely work like that. Day 1 isn't bad for me so I can work like that although my mood will be lowered, then I would take day 2 and 3 off as you did, but you should be able to return to work in a day or two, especially if you are getting sleep from the valium.

When I say day 1, I mean the first day of withdrawals, not the first day without the opioids. For some people it's the same day, but with suboxone it's usually starts a day or so later, allowing you 36-48 hours before the withdrawal starts unless you taper to fast and are already in minor withdrawal when you are on your final doses.

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I took suboxone earlier today and was interested to see if it would slow down an opioid like people said it would. I got a little extra and 10 hrs later used it. I def felt all of it plus the xtra. I have 4 mgs of the sub left. That will be enough for me to get through the mild withdrawals I will have without loosing a beat. I'm ready to be sober for awhile. This statement seems likely to me: If you use a low amount of MGs and use one does of Sub at a team, it pretty much won't slow the opioid down at all (especially a powerful one). Some may experience this different, but I couldn't find any really opinions on this from others.
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1mg and under is not considered a blockade dose, and many people report that something like 0.5mg of suboxone will actually potentiate other opioids considering you take the suboxone first and the other opioid a few hours later. Most find that 2mg or more is needed to block other opioids for a day or so, and 4mg is needed to block it for 2 days, and 8mg for 3 days. It varies from person to person but this seems to be pretty accurate for the average person. Those times are for how long it would take to feel full effects usually, since you can get a short-lived minor high earlier than that but it's usually a waste.
 
many people here dont realize how long suboxone stays within your system. the compound is crazy fat soluble (t-butyl group, cyclopropyl, and all the rings). if you;ve been on it for 6 months, then do oxys for two weeks and stop, youre going to STILL be in suboxone withdrawal along with the oxy.

ive been on 8mg for 3 years until about a month ago when my doctor vanished out of thin air. vacant office, phone shut off. left with 34 strips and my junior year at a new engineering school... yikes. anywho, after being at 0.5 to 1mg a day for a month, i still have terrible withdrawal symptoms early in the morning and sort of randomly too. i try not to exceed 1mg a day. the reason is the quick 8mg to 1mg drop but it saves me in the long run.

and to those who are so worried about precipitated withdrawal:
all you HAVE to do is take VERY small increments of the suboxone. around 0.2mg. then WAIT ONE HOUR.
you dont even have to be anywhere near fullblown withdrawal. as long as you slowly add the suboxone to your system every hour or two in EXTREMELY SMALL DOSES.
WAIT ONE HOUR to dose the same amount again you will AVOID precipitated withdrawal doing this over and over!

it's when your receptors are full of methadone/whatever and you pump 2 or 8 mg of bupe in there, its gunna knock ALL that off at once.
in fact, with incremental dosing, i felt a synergistic effect.
 
Need some help. I get subs from VA healthcare and it's free. I've been on ORT [including benzos] for most of adult life- subs for 3 yrs. I take 1-1.5 mg of a prescribed 2 mg dose plus 1 mg K-Pins a day. We must give urine samples monthly. Recently [2 mos ago] they told us we need to fill the cup to near the top. Since then both screens have been negative for subs/k-pins and dr is threatening to taper me off or stop k-pins. Neither is an option for me. I have enlarged prostate which make it difficult for me to fill the cup so I've been drinking at least 2 bottles of water an hr before urine screen. Dr implies I'm not taking dose and I take both every day including subs 3 hrs prior to test. I'm pretty sure either the lab is screwed up or else the water is diluting out the sample??

Anyone else have this problem and/or suggestions?
 
Hoping to find some answers. I have been on subutex 24mg/day for over a year. Two days ago, I got into a car accident. I was given an injection of 100mcg of fentanyl at hospital to help deal with the horrible pain I was having. I was sent home with prescription for 5 - 25mcg patches. Yesterday at noon I administered the first patch and put scotch tape on it to make sure it didn't fall off b/c I have a two year old. Then I read somewhere online that you should never use that kind of tape on fent patches. So, I removed it 4pm and threw it away. I then put a second patch on and kept it on until 10pm last night. I took it off because my body started to have what I thought were withdrawal symptoms. My legs started shaking and burning. I just want to go back to my subutex. Is it safe to do so today (now) at noon. It has been 12 hours since I removed the fent patch.
 
Also, did I even take enough fentanyl to even go through any withdrawals from it??? Is it possible that I any discomfort I maybe feeling is from not taking my subutex since 2pm the day before yesterday??
 
Tommyboy said:
You might want to plan a vacation just so you don't have to worry about calling in sick, and then relapsing so you could make it back to work without calling in sick too much. Your dose was low and I can't imagine you being 'out of commission' for more than 3 days. If you lay around doing nothing you will likely feel worse, so try to stay active and you should have your energy back faster. Even with heavier addictions I have always been a lot better by day 5, and could definitely work like that. Day 1 isn't bad for me so I can work like that although my mood will be lowered, then I would take day 2 and 3 off as you did, but you should be able to return to work in a day or two, especially if you are getting sleep from the valium.

When I say day 1, I mean the first day of withdrawals, not the first day without the opioids. For some people it's the same day, but with suboxone it's usually starts a day or so later, allowing you 36-48 hours before the withdrawal starts unless you taper to fast and are already in minor withdrawal when you are on your final doses.
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I'm already feeling a ton better, yesterday was really somethin'. Advil, imodium, bananas, and other fruit have hopefully helped with most of the withdrawl symptoms. Is there any kind of OTC product that helps with this clammy/uncomfortable skin condition? I've deduced that being the primary reason of restlessness during sleep. It's kinda like the mildest burns all over my body - pins and needles. The only thing that temporarily alleviates it is a warm bath (which I took 7 of yesterday).
 
I don't know if this is the right place for this, I apologize if this is wrong. I just started a clinical trial for a new kind of Bupe that's not on the market yet. I was wondering if anyone else is in the study here. I would love to talk to someone else who is in it. It's the BEMA Buprenorphine NX study. It's Bupe+naloxone in a patch form that sticks to the inside of your cheek and dissolves into the buccal mucosa. It's amazing!!! I love it so much better than the pill. It hits faster, stronger, and keeps longer. With the pill I can always feel when it's time to dose again, with this buccal patch I don't get that feeling. I can't wait until this hits the market (if the study goes well, which I have a strong feeling it will). It has a citrus flavor (or what's supposed to be citrus)....it tastes like a kid's fluoride at the dentist. I will be very sad when this study ends and have to go back to taking the under the tongue pill.


Hopefully I can hear from someone else who is in the study somewhere else (I know there are multiple sites doing this across the USA)! Also, if anyone has any questions I would be glad to answer them.

Here's a link to the clinical trial gov. site: http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01666119

Here's a link to what it looks like and some info about it: http://www.bdsi.com/BEMA_Technology.aspx
 
Here goes...

Quick back story, I've been using opiates on and off for about 6 years. Over the last year it's increased ten fold due to getting in with a PM doc and increasing my "connects" quite significantly. For the last few months I've been taking between 20-40 pills daily (depending on availability) ranging from all variations of hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, and oxymorphone. I started snorting opana and roxis when I could get them otherwise just smashing 10-15 pills at a time. I'd use CWE here and there but usually not. After throwing myself into debt and coming to the realization enough is enough, I went to a sub clinic today. To start I'll be going once a week and they started me on 4mg suboxone film twice a day. Along with this I'm required to attend one group counseling session a month. I have no experience with sub and all I know about it is what I've read here (online in general), the literature they gave me and the doctor's advice. None of my family or close friends know about my usage aside from my cousin who also abuses opiates and is looking to stop. I'm starting my first dose tomorrow (took what norcos I had left earlier today). I don't really have a specific question, just looking for any advice or opinions on my particular situation. Hopefully that was enough information, feel free to ask any questions and be honest. I've been hanging around these forums for awhile so I know how things work for the most part. Thanks in advance for any input and sorry for any typos, I'm on my phone.
 
We have a Suboxone/Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ which is really wonderful and I'm going to merge your thread into it. I think you'll not only get a lot of good responses but also, if you read through it, a lot of great information.
 
I figured that might happen. I tend to avoid Mega threads due to the fact posts seem to get overlooked or buried quickly. I'll take a look through all the information and posts though, thanks for putting me in the specific area nonetheless.
 
Hey bro. Saw your post, didnt read any other responses because I am lazy. but I can relate to your drug use and question so here is my 2 cents..
Short history; had/have knee and back pain, prescribed lortab, built tolorance, prescribed percodan, built tolerance, dick head doc cuts me off, scored Oxycontin, became dependant on oxycontin, started snorting then shooting the damn things... and as we all know our oxys were changed and became worthless....So I scored Heroin. And quickly became a junkie near death.
Went to a suboxone clinic and the doc assessed my situation and prescribes 3 8MG subs per day...24 MG. took 3 a day for a month then went to 2 1/2 for a month then 2 a day then 1 1/2 then a half and now today I use a quarter (2mg) per day.. And that is where I have been stck for a while..
I have no reason to believe that I cannot one morning wake up and not take any.. Recently I have found myself forgetting to take any before I leave for work...
What I am saying thru personal experience is suboxone can indeed help one get off heroin if that induvidual really wants it to be so..
Hope my post helps you in any way at all...
 
Definitely, any positive experiences give me some more confidence that I can stick it out. I fortunately never graduated to heroin or shooting in general although I'm sure I would have eventually. Snorting opana/roxi is the furthest I went but god did/do I love it. I just financially and emotionally cannot keep this up any longer. I'm a bit concerned with the dosage he started me on (4mg twice daily) but it seems most people say less is more.. that's just difficult to interpret. Doc did say we could adjust as needed though. Thanks for the input and glad to hear it worked well for you, its very reassuring to hear. Talking with people who have gone through the same type of situations is such a stress reliever sometimes as you can actually relate. As much as people shit talk counseling, I'm very interested to see how the sessions go and meet some other users. Thanks again.
 
I think eight milligrams is not a terrible dose to start with, especially if it's divided into two doses. This way your dose is still low enough that you'll get a consistant mood lift out of your buprenorphine (giving you am incentive to take it even when the going gets rough) but its also high enough that it will block other opiates for a good ammount of time (3 days at least). I'd stay at eight for a few months and then make my way down to six, then four and stabalize there once you have a good period of clean time under your belt.
 
Yea after reading on bupe for hours last night (working midnights) I felt a lot more comfortable with my dosage. I was feeling pretty shitty most of the night so I took my first 4mgs about an hour ago, approx. 16 hrs since my last opiate intake. I was a bit concerned with precipitated w/d's but I seem to be fine so far. My legs are still pretty achy but otherwise I feel ok. I think I may have messed up the absorption a bit due to the unexpected large amt of saliva that ended up in my mouth which cause me to swish around a bit. Also my doc told me to spit everything out and rinse my mouth after it dissolved, haven't really read that anywhere else.. any input on that and/or getting the best out of absorption? I'm going to try and get some sleep now, will probably take the second half this evening right before work. Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm kind of in this by myself at the moment.
 
Tussionex to subutex need some advice here

Alright so on thursday at 1pm USA eastern time I downed some tussionex which has hydrocone in it that lasts 12 hours. Im wanting to take this subutex but im unsure if ill go into PWD. So im thinking 1pm usa eastern (today) to take some subutex but my logic could be flawed and I dont wanna risk PWD. Help please? From what Ive read its 16-24 hours with no opiate in it....but id rather get more advice about this. Thanks in advance.
 
are you addicted to any opiates? or was the tussionex a one time thing? youll only go into precipitated withdrawal if your body is addicted to an opiate
 
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