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Cannabis smokers 'risk lower IQ'

Remember I can only talk from my experience...
On the class vs intelligence argument (I'm talking about the children of x): I've personally found the middle class work harder and become more successful in life while higher tend to sit back because their parents have everything sorted for them and from my experience the lower class think they work just as hard but often struggle and get demotivated and then get distracted etc. I think this is because their parents are working longer hours and so spend less time playing/teaching them, which I found to be the most educational thing I've had so far in life as school/college can only teach you a curriculum nowadays (college is getting better though, especially with the practical skills coursework - they teach us skills we might need in future which relate to the current subject and then when it comes to the coursework we have to be resourceful but they do give us a practice paper which is where the mess up because it's so so similar to the real thing :/). Also, lower classes will often go out more rather than stay home and study for exams but this could stem for the fact they never found education interesting with their parents, since they were never really learnt.

I've found religious people or church goers (i live in a predominantly Christian town with pretty much no cultural diversity) are much more intelligent and get much better jobs than the rest. Out of the 19 children that were the year above and went to this sunday group thing at church when I was little, I know for a fact that 11 of them got into the decent sciences at unis and the other 9 are either travelling or have disappeared off the radar. Again, this could be linked to the classes thing because I'm pretty sure they all had successful parents and were middle class. But then it could have something to do with the clean caring nature of Christianity.

Drug use however has such diversity - everyone drinks, at least half of my college mates smoke weed once a week minimum, tons do all sorts of stims, i know addicts, poly-drug addicts and completely straight edge people. All of them have varying intelligences, the smartest person I know is best mates with easily the dopiest dumbest person I know and they both smoke weed 24/7 and are insanely regular E users. I don't think drugs affect your intelligence as nearly as much as your attitude towards intelligence, even long-term but I wouldn't be a regular drug user while in college or haven't got a ton of free time and I rarely do drugs within 10 days of each other just for my own safety really.

These are all just massively sweeping statements and I'm barely even 18 so hey what do I know...

Class is very much in the mind. You could have 2 people living next door to each other, driving identical cars, and working in the same job, but they could be different classes. Many working class people are taught from a very early age this peverse mentality that they must accept authority in all it's guises to get on in life, while many middle class people are taught to question authority (and to question everything). One group is being raised to be workers, like their parents before them, and the other group is being raised to manage and take positions higher up the ladder. And this all starts from a very early age. There are also huge disparities in the amount parents from working class and middle class families interact with their chilren, as well as the size of the vocabulary each group willl use when talking to their children. Then we have, in some quarters, a very negative attitude toward's learning. I was reading one sociology study written in America, and one of the parents actually mocked her child for using a large word or for sharing information she'd learnt at school.
 
I see this has went to 5 pages. I wondered why it had got past this...

Don't wanna discuss. Just wanna say bollocks.

Then I noticed that MSB's ban is up lol.

Who really cares about this tho? Just tell them 'researchers' to fuck off and everyone have a smoke of the strongest weed you can find, it is just all pointless shite.

Danny knows the score.
 
Only if you believe IQ is the sole factor, and that would still only be a problem if joining a "decent profession" was your aim.



?? If I boost my IQ I can have a more intelligent partner? If my IQ drops I'll have a less intelligent one?

Again, only if IQ is the sole determinor of intelligence. And I'm talking about emotional intelligence, understanding, analytical thought, not just intelligence as measured by probem-solving tests....

Truth. I don't think IQ is as important as class/education when it comes to compatibility with another person. And I like to think I'm more intelligent than my IQ score suggests (I think I'm around 120).

But don't take anything I say seriously, I'm only a drug-addled teenager!
 
Another interesting snippet from this research - those who smoked NO cannabis at all showed a minor loss in IQ compared to those who smoked occasionally.

Still flawed like, but that amused me when I read it in my Daily Mail.
 
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Do you think all the cannabis folks have forgotten about this thread today 8)
 
Bluntsy is the sole reason Bluelight has bandwith issues, he turns every thread into a 20 page 'debate'.

I doubt it, though obviously cannot back this up. I started smoking pot at about fourteen, regularly at sixteen til now bar a year's break somewhere in my early 20s and I can't say it's affected my intelligence.

I can confirm, Snolly has always been thick as shit. ;)

Just joking Snolls. <3
 
Cannabis smokers still cleverer than lager fans
29-08-12

POT smokers generally have more brain cells than people who like lager, it has been claimed.

Lager is one of the major causes of karaoke

A new study from New Zealand has claimed that young cannabis smokers risk an irreparable reduction in their IQ.

However, Professor Henry Brubaker of the Institute for Studies believes potheads still have a way to go before they are as idiotic as those who skull twelve pints of wifebeater on a Friday night.

Professor Brubaker compared the preferred leisure activities of weed smokers and lager drinkers. He found that pot smokers were likely to watch complicated manga films and research conspiracy theories on the internet.

Meanwhile lager drinkers spend their spare time in massive corporate nightclubs, going up behind girls and repeatedly poking them in the back with their genitals whenever Chakademus & Pliers’s Tease Me comes on.

He said: “In some respects cannabis seems to promote the life of the mind, especially whether it comes to maintaining concentration during overlong, overrated films like The Big Lebowski.

“Lager users, meanwhile, struggle to cope with any televised entertainment more challenging than Babestation.

“What we have to ask ourselves now is whether lager makes you thicker, or simply appeals to less intelligent people. It’s a chicken and egg, or perhaps kebab and moron, question.

“I don’t know whether cannabis should be legalised, but perhaps we should victimise both groups equally. Like if you’re caught by police with half a pint of weak lager, you get a police record and can’t ever go to America.”

Regular cannabis user Tom Logan said: “I may not have any ambition or a short term memory, but at least I’m not out trying to impress a girl who’s pissing in the gutter by drunkenly kicking a stranger in the head with my pointy slip-on shoes.

“Also I just read a book about these submarines that are living organisms – like a cross between robots and whales.

“I appreciate that’s irrelevant to the question, but it was good.”

Source
 
Like if you’re caught by police with half a pint of weak lager, you get a police record and can’t ever go to America.”

Ismene?

Got to llove the Daily Mash.

(I'm not correcting the llove typo, left it Welsh for ya SHM)
 
Where does this Peter Hitchens fella reside? No distance would be too far to give that man the swift kick in the bag that he deserves. I hope my attention span can stay with me to I get this toast buttered :\
 
The bloke's a complete bellend.

This is a picture of him getting angry when he came out of a BBC Radio interview, and found someone had daubed a bedsheet with a message of support for him... =D

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I turnt on my tv this morning, onto "the big questions" on bbc, and was greeted by the odious little tossers face, staring back at me. I very quickly realised that he was in Southampton, at a school not too far from where I am.. :ninja:
WAY too good an opportunity to miss I thought, so I grabbed a dust sheet and a spray can and nipped over there..
i knocked up a quick banner, and draped it over a wall near the school so he would see it when he left, and waited on the other side of the road.
10 mins later his taxi leaves the school, drives past the banner, turns around, and out gets the arch oxygen thief!
by this time a lady is next to it taking a picture of it, and he actually tells her to stop so he can pull it down!
No way I think, so over I go. "you'd best leave that alone" I say, to a visably bristling hitchens.
he asked my name, I refused, so he called me a coward! "Do cowards put up signs like that?" I said..
he said he didnt sue for defamation, but could as 2 of the 3 things I said were incorrect? When pressed he wouldnt say which one was correct, tellingly.
He then started on the personal abuse, which to me is a sign he has lost the arguement. I have been toe to toe with him now, and it took all my self restraint not to headbutt him, or worse, but I did give him a body shove when he got "in my face" at which point he retreated to the cab.
im SO glad I went, im looking forward to his version of events in his blog.
best of all?
I got this picture- Everyone please copy and paste and distribute freely

from here =D

Got him pissed off, didn't know Hitchens was a uk420 reader... :D

I have at last been honoured. No, not some bauble or title, but my first ever hostile demonstration, personally directed against me. Alas, I cannot properly thank the solitary person involved because, although I assured him that I don’t normally sue over defamatory lies, he still lacked the courage to tell me who he was.

It happened in Southampton on Sunday, as I was leaving the King Edward VI school, from which the BBC programme ‘The Big Questions’ had been transmitted live that morning. Very unusually, I was in a car provided by the programme makers, as I had to hurry to a distant railway station. As we turned into the main road, I glimpsed a large banner. Vain as I am, I can usually spot my own name in a piece of small print at about 50 paces, so it was no hard matter to see it in six-inch letters on a bedsheet hung on a wall. I was thrilled. Forgetting the train, I asked the taxi-driver to turn round and go back so that I could take a proper look.

There it was - a large, apparently unattended, off-white piece of cloth, bearing the words, in block capitals : ’Peter Hitchens is a hypocritical racist alcoholic. Spread your bile elsewhere. No-one cares what you have to say’. (I’ll analyse this message later)

Not having a camera, I thought I would take it home as a souvenir, but as I approached it I realised that a middle-aged woman was taking a picture of it, and asked her to send me a print. I was going to give her my address, but didn’t in the end, because as I inspected it, a person appeared at my elbow, growling ‘Do you have a problem with free speech?’

I said that no of course I didn’t, and explained my desire to take it home as a souvenir. By then it was plain that it was far too big (and wet) for this to be practicable, and in any case this person was obviously its guardian, judging by the smirk of pride on his features. So I offered to pose in front of it, while he took the picture.

So far , so jolly and tolerant. Then I asked him who he was. I explained that the banner was actually libellous, but that though I could certainly sue him if he chose, and pursue him for quite a lot money as I would undoubtedly win, I did not usually do that (I have only once made a serious threat to sue, but only when the defamation was committed on a wide scale by the official of a large organisation, and only to secure the apology and retraction that I swiftly and rightly received. I never sought any money, but it was probably the only way to correct the record. On that occasion too I had been described as ‘racist’, a simple and total untruth).

He wouldn’t tell me his name. Now, it seems to me that there’s nothing specially brave about attacking public figures if you’re not prepared to put your name to it, especially once you’ve had an assurance that you won’t be sued. I thought this contemptible. So I called him a coward. I then pointed out that two of the statements on the banner were untrue (I have no doubt that I am sometimes a hypocrite. No fallen creature with a moral code can escape this charge).

He affected not to understand this. The person involved was the stuff of nightmares, exactly what you would expect an abusive commenter on the internet to be. Beneath a woolly hat sat a podgy face, as starkly pale as 1950s British ice-cream used to be. Large sunglasses obscured the eyes, as if their owner seldom saw daylight. All this surmounted a body that was plainly an efficient machine for converting sugar into lard. I mention these characteristics as they all seem to me to be matters of choice. He had chosen to look like that.

And it came to me, that if he wanted to tell lies about me, then I could tell the truth about him. So I told him with some force, but without swearing, that he was a coward and a liar . I never offered him violence, or contemplated it.

Then, confidently expecting to hear more of this on the internet, where such people are over-represented, I left him to it. As I was driven away, he gave me an American one-finger salute – why has this awkward gesture replaced the good old British two-fingers? I waved and smiled, regally.

This morning I turned to our old friend UK420.com, a seething bog of semi-literate declamations about the wonders of cannabis, which rather emphasise my point that, whatever this drug may or may not do, it certainly doesn’t sharpen the mind or increase intellectual curiosity and acuity.

And, not to my surprise at all, I found my new acquaintance posting, oh so humorously, as ‘Osama bin Laden’(Bin Laden, for all his faults, was much better-looking, as it happens) , Full member Number 65799,who has posted 387 times on UK420 since May 2011. The picture of me standing by the banner, taken as I was saying something, is also there for those who wish to see it. Now, when I republish other people’s writings I normally correct mis-spellings and typographical errors. None of us is immune to them. But I have left them in this effusion, because I think they are part of its rather pathetic character.

This is what he says:
‘I turnt on my tv this morning, onto "the big questions" on bbc, and was greeted by the odious little tossers face, staring back at me. I very quickly realised that he was in Southampton, at a school not too far from where I am..
WAY too good an opportunity to miss I thought, so I grabbed a dust sheet and a spray can and nipped over there..
i knocked up a quick banner, and draped it over a wall near the school so he would see it when he left, and waited on the other side of the road.
10 mins later his taxi leaves the school, drives past the banner, turns around, and out gets the arch oxygen thief!
by this time a lady is next to it taking a picture of it, and he actually tells her to stop so he can pull it down!
No way I think, so over I go. "you'd best leave that alone" I say, to a visably bristling hitchens.
he asked my name, I refused, so he called me a coward! "Do cowards put up signs like that?" I said..
he said he didnt sue for defamation, but could as 2 of the 3 things I said were incorrect? When pressed he wouldnt say which one was correct, tellingly.
He then started on the personal abuse, which to me is a sign he has lost the arguement. I have been toe to toe with him now, and it took all my self restraint not to headbutt him, or worse, but I did give him a body shove when he got "in my face" at which point he retreated to the cab.
im SO glad I went, im looking forward to his version of events in his blog.’

(Mr ‘Bin Laden’ here utters two other straightforward falsehoods. It is not true that I asked the woman to stop taking a picture so I could take the banner down. I asked her if she would take a picture of me with the banner, before explaining that I wanted it as a souvenir. I am not sure where she went. Nor did he ‘give me a body-shove’. As he perfectly well knew, that would have been assault. Nor was I ‘bristling’. Until the person’s cowardly refusal to tell me who he was, I was quite prepared to have a civil conversation with him, and treat the matter as an amusing encounter, hence my willingness to have my picture taken by him. He also didn’t say ‘You’d best leave that alone’, not least because I never touched it). I mention these small things not because they matter much, but because my failure to correct them might otherwise be taken as confirmation.

I think the event was in fact amusing in its way, and post my own version here in case, as these things sometimes do, the matter attracts more interest. I thought from the wording of the banner that its author was almost certainly angered above all by my campaign to have proper laws against cannabis properly enforced.

from here
 
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When future Chinese historians ponder our national collapse, laughing softly as they do so, I think they may well note that this was the society that banned T-bone steaks while it decriminalised cannabis, and that it was the country that smoked itself stupid.

What the flying fuck is this guy on? :D

National collapse caused by being too soft on weed, you heard it here first folks.
 
I hate to say this but when - almost accidentally - I quit smoking for 9 months last year after decades of regular consumption, I do believe I went up a point or two on the iq scale. I was also meaner, uptighter, less tolerant, less caring and I didn't laugh so much. It's up to you to decide whether my newfound smarts made me a better person.
 
I hate to say this but when - almost accidentally - I quit smoking for 9 months last year after decades of regular consumption, I do believe I went up a point or two on the iq scale. I was also meaner, uptighter, less tolerant, less caring and I didn't laugh so much. It's up to you to decide whether my newfound smarts made me a better person.

'Charlie Clean' - The man who smoked so much he forgot he was a stoner for 9 months =D
 
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