Cannabis smokers 'risk lower IQ'

[class-a-team]

Unless ignorance might be bliss of course. Check out a class of severely autistic people and see how concerned they look.

I reckon that sort of intelligence is different to IQ. I don't believe your ability to identify patterns and whatever else is tested in such a test dictates your outlook on life.

Autism doesn't really come into it. You can be doubly blessed in having both autism and a low IQ. My point is, why lower your IQ for no good reason? It mightn't be much use to you now but you might need it at some point in your life.

 

[class-a-team]

lets imagine! it boosts your IQ?

it breaks your frontal lobe?

It makes you gay?

It makes you witty?

It steals your soul?

No, it impairs your ability to make good decisions. And by that age, you could easily have fucked up your life through poor decision-making.

 

[Mailmonkey]

No, it impairs your ability to make good decisions. And by that age, you could easily have fucked up your life through poor decision-making.

Are you a doctor? ah yes, I see you are.....

Most drugs affect the part of your brain that you use to make decisions (can't remember the name of it) and evaluate risk which obviously can have negative consequences for a developing brain. I think your brain is only fully developed around the age of 25, so if you've been using drugs regularly since 15, you can only imaginethe effects it would have on your mental functioning.

don't get me wrong class a team, as I've said a few times, I don't think young people should take large amounts of drugs regularly, but it seems to be something some young people, from ALL backgrounds seek out, it's a human condition.

How much detriment would a possible 8 point reduction in someone's IQ score have on their life?

How much might they have gained from whatever they have been doing while using drugs?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Are you a doctor? ah yes, I see you are.....



don't get me wrong class a team, as I've said a few times, I don't think young people should take large amounts of drugs regularly, but it seems to be something some young people, from ALL backgrounds seek out, it's a human condition.

How much detriment would a possible 8 point reduction in someone's IQ score have on their life?

How much might they have gained from whatever they have been doing while using drugs?

An 8 point drop in IQ if you're an average person with 100 is a pretty big drop. It drops you from being in 50th percentile to the 29th.

I'm hardly super clever, but I quite often envy people with lower intelligence in that I have noticed they seem much more content with life. Many are happy to do their 9-5, age 18-65, then die. Also, if you have an IQ of 130 that instantly puts you in a position where only say 5% of the country is on your level. That's not an awful lot of people. Then again, looking around myself in education I do often think it must be horrible to be one of those people who tries really hard but ultimately doing worse than several of your peers who seemingly did very little. At least with a reasonable IQ I can numb my brain up with drugs when the constant over thinking and analysis is dulled a little.

 

[Mailmonkey]

An 8 point drop in IQ if you're an average person with 100 is a pretty big drop. It drops you from being in 50th percentile to the 29th.

Yes, I understand numbers (as long as they aren't too big)...

But what effect would this have on someone's life? And would this effect have been prevented had they not smoked too much cannabis as a youngster?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Yes, I understand numbers (as long as they aren't too big)...

But what effect would this have on someone's life? And would this effect have been prevented had they not smoked too much cannabis as a youngster?

Well it would mean you'd have to be extremely hard working and motivated to stand even the remotest chance of joining a decent profession. Smoking loads of weed in your adolescence, in my experience, does not go hand with being a prodigious student. It could be the difference between getting 20k a year and getting 50k a year. It could lead to having a spouse more on your intellectual level, perhaps even an uglier spouse (cus bitches love money, right?).

 

[Mailmonkey]

Well it would mean you'd have to be extremely hard working and motivated to stand even the remotest chance of joining a decent profession.

Only if you believe IQ is the sole factor, and that would still only be a problem if joining a "decent profession" was your aim.

It could lead to having a spouse more on your intellectual level

?? If I boost my IQ I can have a more intelligent partner? If my IQ drops I'll have a less intelligent one?

Again, only if IQ is the sole determinor of intelligence. And I'm talking about emotional intelligence, understanding, analytical thought, not just intelligence as measured by probem-solving tests....

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

The idea that being a successful student directly leads to you being successful at work is just plain nonsense, as is the idea that as someone with an IQ of 130 would have any difficulty relating to and getting on with someone with a significantly lower IQ. I don't know where you come up with some of that stuff but I'd take it back....it's faulty.

I trust this heated debate is going to stay on topic and not descend into the all to familiar insults and petty mud slinging,

I don't doubt people with higher intelligence can get on with people of lower intelligence. But what I was trying to say is that certain conversational topics, at certain levels, just don't or can't happen when there is a significant disparity. I have a friend with an IQ of 90 (tested), and she's nice as pie. But trying to talk about anything vaguely philosophical (for instance) or complicated is impossible. I might as well be talking to a cat. I just get a vacant expression like i've spoken Mugobian to her. If she spoke to someone with an IQ 30 below hers she would be talking to someone who is technically retarded... how well do you think she is going to relate to them? Do you think her conversations with them will be as satisfying as with another person at her level? It's the same difference.

I don't see any real heat in this debate to be honest.

 

[Allein]

Get with the program, I removed that about 30 seconds after posting, I really can't be bothered

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Only if you believe IQ is the sole factor, and that would still only be a problem if joining a "decent profession" was your aim.



?? If I boost my IQ I can have a more intelligent partner? If my IQ drops I'll have a less intelligent one?

Again, only if IQ is the sole determinor of intelligence. And I'm talking about emotional intelligence, understanding, analytical thought, not just intelligence as measured by probem-solving tests....

I don't believe IQ is the sole predictor, I believe that it is a necessary component and a pretty good predictor of what society deems to be success in life - good job, fitter birds, nicer stuff. These things aren't guaranteed if you've got a good IQ, but they are much more likely.

I see your point that you are probably going to have a wife who is roughly on your level whether it's 90 or 150. It's also probably worth noting that once you go above a certain point in terms of IQ you stop gaining benefits.

(Analytical thought is covered in IQ tests, the only thing that is missing is emotional intelligence)

 

[Mailmonkey]

(Analytical thought is covered in IQ tests, the only thing that is missing is emotional intelligence)

and creativity, and humour, and love and, and , and........

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Get with the program, I removed that about 30 seconds after posting, I really can't be bothered

Dunno why you've got such a bee in your bonnet. Also dunno why you used to be cool, got hit by a car, become a mod, and became a bit of a dick either... Like a reverse My Name is Earl.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

and creativity, and humour, and love and, and , and........

Ironically they IQ tested comedians and they have the highest IQ of any group of people in society

 

[Cornishman]

My IQ is higher than over 85% of the populations.

Gangsta.

MSB what's your IQ?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

my iq is higher than over 85% of the populations.

Gangsta.

Msb what's your iq?

132. Boo ya. I could have smoked weed every day since age 4 and i'd still be smarter than everyone here combined.

 

[Cornishman]

Impressive MSB. You equal Jodie Foster and nearly double that of Andy Warhol's. %)

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Impressive MSB. You equal Jodie Foster and nearly double that of Andy Warhol's. %)

I don't think it's been properly established Warhol's was that low. It seems like an internet myth. He may well have had high creativity and a low IQ though, you never know.

 

[Cornishman]

He was probably tripping balls.

 

[Danny Weed]

Who really cares about this tho? Just tell them 'researchers' to fuck off and everyone have a smoke of the strongest weed you can find, it is just all pointless shite.

 

[MrPorter]

Remember I can only talk from my experience...
On the class vs intelligence argument (I'm talking about the children of x): I've personally found the middle class work harder and become more successful in life while higher tend to sit back because their parents have everything sorted for them and from my experience the lower class think they work just as hard but often struggle and get demotivated and then get distracted etc. I think this is because their parents are working longer hours and so spend less time playing/teaching them, which I found to be the most educational thing I've had so far in life as school/college can only teach you a curriculum nowadays (college is getting better though, especially with the practical skills coursework - they teach us skills we might need in future which relate to the current subject and then when it comes to the coursework we have to be resourceful but they do give us a practice paper which is where the mess up because it's so so similar to the real thing :/). Also, lower classes will often go out more rather than stay home and study for exams but this could stem for the fact they never found education interesting with their parents, since they were never really learnt.

I've found religious people or church goers (i live in a predominantly Christian town with pretty much no cultural diversity) are much more intelligent and get much better jobs than the rest. Out of the 19 children that were the year above and went to this sunday group thing at church when I was little, I know for a fact that 11 of them got into the decent sciences at unis and the other 9 are either travelling or have disappeared off the radar. Again, this could be linked to the classes thing because I'm pretty sure they all had successful parents and were middle class. But then it could have something to do with the clean caring nature of Christianity.

Drug use however has such diversity - everyone drinks, at least half of my college mates smoke weed once a week minimum, tons do all sorts of stims, i know addicts, poly-drug addicts and completely straight edge people. All of them have varying intelligences, the smartest person I know is best mates with easily the dopiest dumbest person I know and they both smoke weed 24/7 and are insanely regular E users. I don't think drugs affect your intelligence as nearly as much as your attitude towards intelligence, even long-term but I wouldn't be a regular drug user while in college or haven't got a ton of free time and I rarely do drugs within 10 days of each other just for my own safety really.

These are all just massively sweeping statements and I'm barely even 18 so hey what do I know...