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Eireann, I know you meant well but you do realise that Ructions is a lot wiser than you and very familiar with the consequences of addiction and she doesn't need your two cents on the matter.

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Hi Class-A-Team! :) How are you?! I haven't seen you on the thread in a while! Have you had any more crazy adventures in Cork lately! I hope that you are keeping well & looking after your self! The gear has gotten a lot stronger in Dublin over the last few months so be-careful of your self!

Although you always come across as a very smart young woman! Great to see you on the thread! Talk to you again sooooooon! :)
 
Does anyone have any experience talkin with a psychiatrist r psychologist wen tryin to knock gear on d head? I have spoken to a drug councillor many times but didn't find them much good.
What I'm aiming for is to find someone who's job it would b to help me learn how to change my way of thinking, someone who might provide me with sum tools I cud work with mentally. Methadone is not a solution to getting clean. The clinic just give u yr script and send u on yr way. I know i'm incapable of changing my addicted brain by myself. I'm assuming there r sum doctors r therapists r the like that can assist me in this quest?
I'm not lookin to air my childhood grievances r to b analysed as to how I got to where I am today - I have a fair idea about that - I want to change my future, not continue to live in d past.
Has anybody talked to people like this that have helped them? Maybe it's a better councillor I need!!?

BTW Ructs, as u know I'm a mother also and I'm rearing a well behaved, well mannered, well rounded, happy young girl. I've a great family and support system around me. I know children, as prob most people do, whose parents don't take drugs r maybe don't even drink but r still unable to rear their kids is a decent r stable enviroment and the kids suffer.
My ex's son grew up in awful circumstances, seeing his father (who was a loan parent) drunk r stoned almost everyday of his life. He started college this year, is a fantastic kid and is doin great 4 himself. It's a topsy turvey world we live in and nobody's perfect, no matter who thinks they are.
Most of us do our best with what we have to offer, and noone should ever b knocked for that especially when there's no personal experience between them.
 
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Don't be that guy.
 
you can be a good parent and not be perfect, FFS who is.

I'm not a parent but I know lots of them, including my own! So can I QFT?

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Don't be that guy.

Absolutely. Especially when people are on all kinds of different devices and so on. When I post from bed on my tablet I don't do capitals; so what? When someone posts on their phone, which happens increasingly, they'll use phone speak. Fine. Deal with it!

I often enjoy reading posts from people who type in their dialect because it puts their voice in my head, and makes for a less dull day!


EDIT I really want to put a big nasty BUT in here but I can't as I'm off my chops on MXE and I should probably get my dishes done! <3
 
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Hi Alfo! :) The first methadone clinic that i went to had a drugs councillor, we could see her once a week for free! I thought that drugs counselling would be a great help! Like you i wanted to learn how to control my cravings for heroin. I'm sure drug counselling is good, but the councillor that i had was hopeless! :( She didn't seem to have a clue, she used to say things like "when you feel that you want to score just keep telling your self no! Instead of spending the money on heroin buy your self a new dress" I used to sit there looking at her saying "Ummm why didn't i think of that? Doh!!!" And she'd smile and she look pleased that she was getting through to me! But she wasn't getting through to me, she was talking pony!

One day i asked her what was the 1st step of the 12 steps & she didn't know!!! She was a very nice lady but she just didn't seem to understand heroin addiction at all! But i imagine that if you got a good councillor then it could be really helpful! I went to a great councillor about 15 years ago, it was before i started taking heroin, i had had problems in my childhood that where really starting to effect me as i got older. The councillor i had back then was amazing, she told me how to deal with my feelings & she helped me with my anxiety. She thought me how to think about things differently! She really really helped me through some very dark times.

Unfortunately that councillor was not free, in fact it was very expensive! So i had to stop going because i couldn't afford to any-more. I often wonder if i had been able to continue on with the counselling then maybe i wouldn't have turned to heroin for help? But i just don't know! I didn't start using heroin until i was 30years old, i was a very late starter!

The clinic that i go to now doesn't have a counsellor but my Doctor has put me on a waiting list to see a new councillor who will help me with my addiction & hopefully help me with my past as well. I'm sure your Doctor could put your name down to see a councillor as well! There is a very long waiting list, but at least you will get to see someone eventually. Your Doctor can write to a councillor for you, then you will be called in with-in a few weeks to be assessed by a psychiatrist. Once the psychiatrist feels that you need counselling then they will put your name down on the list. Make sure you talk to your Doctor about it & get your name down, anything that can help is worth a try!

I'm not sure what way the law is now in Ireland but when i first went to councillor 15 years ago i was able to tell the councillor everything about my childhood, i had to be able to tell her everything so that she could help me. I told her things that i have never told anyone else, she was really nice & i totally trusted her! I could tell her exactly what happened & who did it. But then the law changed in Ireland, so when i went to see the drugs councillor about 6years ago things had really changed. When i started to talk about my childhood the councillor had to stop me & warn me that if i was to tell her that someone had harmed me when i was a child then by law she would have to report it to the police, coz that was the law! Now i do agree that i probably should have reported what happened to me, but families can be complicated & hard to deal with. The family members who harmed me should be help accountable for their actions, but that doesn't just effect them it effects my whole family, so i didn't want my past reported to the police. So therefore i couldn't tell my councillor about my past. This meant that i couldn't talk to my councillor about things that were important. But there were talks that the law was to be changed back again, so maybe it has been changed by now.

Either way Alfo you need a good drugs counsellor, your Doctor should be able to advise you. Maybe the waiting list won't be as long in your area. Give it a shot! It would be great to learn how to stop the cravings! It would be great if we could have our brains rewired. Let me know what your Doctor says, i'll have a look on the internet to see if i can find any info for your area. I think that you are taking a step in the right direction! Make sure you let me know what your Doc says, best of luck! Take Care! <3
 
@ eireann

Just because YOU , failed at the most important job in the world ( being a parent ) while having a habit , don't think you can/should judge every other parent by the fuck up that you made.
Some of us are more than capable of having full time jobs a loving strong family life alll the trappings that go with it ,and having a habit at the same time.
The fact you don't think this is possible shows your ignorance and says more about your own failing as a parent.
, instead of trolling heroin sites digging out people in active addiction, mayby you would do better, now your clean, puting right the fuck up you made ( by your own admition )of bringing up you own child.

BTW, I'm going to blank you from now on also , for being such a MUG !
 
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But then the law changed in Ireland, so when i went to see the drugs councillor about 6years ago things had really changed. When i started to talk about my childhood the councillor had to stop me & warn me that if i was to tell her that someone had harmed me when i was a child then by law she would have to report it to the police, coz that was the law! Now i do agree that i probably should have reported what happened to me, but families can be complicated & hard to deal with. The family members who harmed me should be help accountable for their actions, but that doesn't just effect them it effects my whole family, so i didn't want my past reported to the police. So therefore i couldn't tell my councillor about my past. This meant that i couldn't talk to my councillor about things that were important. But there were talks that the law was to be changed back again, so maybe it has been changed by now.

What a stupid law! How many hundreds of people have been unable to speak to a counsellor about the things that trouble them because of that? That's nuts! I hope it has been changed.
 
@ alfo

For many years I had convinced myself, along with the help of various counsellors and groups, that my problem was addiction. It took a lot of traumatic experiences and in the end money to find my path...I am now convinced, and this may seem blindingly obvious, that it is not the drugs that are the problem but why I am using, and it my case it is anger. Anger from years ago, and anger that I deal with badly today.

I'm afraid it is fantasy to get clean without showing vulnerability, and talking about our past is key to this, we are a product of ours and others personal histories. Our memory and sub conscious define us as human beings. I commend you for realising that you need more help in your life but without going into your past with your therapist they simply cannot help you. Not in the long term anyway.

And oh yeah, fuck you eireann you nasty person, that's my anger for today.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC_nrLIc2Zk&feature=related

Just watched this. Quite old (11 years) documentary about heroin in the UK. Does make a strong argument for legalizing and providing users with undeniable harm-reduction, rather than ending up with cut gear and all the shit that comes with dirty needle use etc. from buying off the black market.

I can't believe some dealers have used drain cleaner as cut. Fucking horrendous.
 
@alfo you need to speak with someone with experience in CBT - to help you think differently about situations ,emotions etc.

@ evryone else if you just block the troll(dont have to mention her errr sorry his name) then his posts will become pointless as no one will read them, every forum I have ever been on gets a troll or two and if you feed them they will stay so either block or ignore - its the only way they get attention in their poor crappy lives....did he say he was 6'2? my guess is 5'4 with a very small dick.
 
Alright Blondin
Hows life treating you ?

I've only used once since last Thursday . It wasn't as good as what i was getting before either same price n connect . Probably won't get anything till next week .
Just cashed my benzo script so i can't complain had 30mgof diaz n 20mg of Nitrazepam feels pretty relaxing .
I get mad munchies when i take benzos anyone else get that ?
 
Fuck yeah - I quite often take 20mg as dont have much tollerance and I go thro bowls of rice crispies, cakes, .....lke when i use to smoke dope.

Been good mate getting lovely gear at stoopid prices but hey at least i get a good gouch. Just got my script yesterday so might swop a couple of boxes of phy for some thing more interesting.. : )
 
You pick up one a month no
Must be about 4 and ahalf boxes if i remember . You get some diaz as well doin't you .

I wouldn't be able to trust myself with a months worth . I struggle with aweeks worth . Although i think the tablets are a bit easier to regulate than thejuice.

Must get myself a proper Glass Measure those plastic ones are shit i measured 5 lots of 20ml and their was still 20 left in a 100ml bottle !
 
still great in Glasgow, just got 2 bags and there back to the .3 .4 bags so well chuffed. itts the dark stuff this time so even better there is another lighter batch going about here aswell which is still good but not as good as the darker stuff which tastes a lot stronger. dnt see the point n buying teenths when am getting .3 and .4 bags actualy works out a better deal if you get alll .4's. there other shot dealers onnly putting out .1's of the dark stuff for a bag but there not buying big weight and are prob only doing it to feed there habbit. quite funny there is 1 door were you get .1 in a bag and one right across were you get .3 or .4 in a bag lol. the flats at which i score must have about 50 odd dorrs i can chap lol
 
thiis is probabaly a sillyy question coming froom sumone who has used herion for the past 6 years. i was thinking about ordering sum high quality number 4 herion and i kno that you cant smoke it only snort and IV but is there anyway i CAN prepare it for smoking at all or is IV n snort the only way. i gave up on the needle years ago as i actualy prefer smoking it and i just wanted to kno or else ill just order the number 3 it was just the new balls of number 4 thats now avalible look lush! am sure most of you have seen it on you kno were.
 
If you can get what I presume you to mean off-white, Thai heroin ('China white') and it isn't too cut, I would. Snorted, it doesn't burn the snoz like b and hits the spot delightfully. It's all a matter of taste but most users find the smooth clean buzz more than compensates for the absence of smoking satisfaction and are happy to snort it. Enjoy!
 
its funny you boys mentioning getting munched from vals, the only time i raid the goody cupboard is when i eat a fewsame as you blondin 20 mil gives me a nice little dunt and i treat myself a couple times a week.

the gear aint been to clever this week,its not shit but could be better,need to smoke .4/5 for a gouch so im getting through plenty.still its cheep enough so i guess you get what you pay for.
the mrs has turned me on to cider with strawberrys in ,ice cold after hard days graft.....CHEERS ALL ,glugglug...!
 
Does anyone have any experience talkin with a psychiatrist r psychologist wen tryin to knock gear on d head? I have spoken to a drug councillor many times but didn't find them much good.
What I'm aiming for is to find someone who's job it would b to help me learn how to change my way of thinking, someone who might provide me with sum tools I cud work with mentally. Methadone is not a solution to getting clean. The clinic just give u yr script and send u on yr way. I know i'm incapable of changing my addicted brain by myself. I'm assuming there r sum doctors r therapists r the like that can assist me in this quest?
I'm not lookin to air my childhood grievances r to b analysed as to how I got to where I am today - I have a fair idea about that - I want to change my future, not continue to live in d past.
Has anybody talked to people like this that have helped them? Maybe it's a better councillor I need!!?

sounds like you're looking for a cognitive-behavioural therapist.
 
What a stupid law! How many hundreds of people have been unable to speak to a counsellor about the things that trouble them because of that? That's nuts! I hope it has been changed.

Hi Knockando! :) Yeah its an awful law, how can someone help you if you can't tell them what happened to you? I tried to tell the counsellor about my childhood with out mentioning who had done it to me & when & where it happened, but it was impossible so i just gave up!

But it also must be hard for a counsellor to hear horror stories of what goes on & then they can't do anything about it, its a catch 22. But good old Ireland just makes one blanket rule for every case instead of trying to find something that actually works! I did read that the law was gonna be changed again, i hope that it has been sorted!

Alfo, i hope your find the right person to talk to, your Doctor will be able to write to them for you & set up an appointment. It could really help you, it doesn't work for everyone but it really does help some people. Your Doctor should have offered you counselling when you started your script, it seems that your Doctor just handed you a script & told you to get on with it, not terribly helpful!! Please keep us posted & let us know how you get on.

RE: Blocking Trolls, yep i've blocked the troll as well, its the handiest way to deal with that kind of thing! I remember i had to block that guy theFool back when this first thread started. It was great not to have to read his drivel any-more! He could be still posting crap on this thread now & i wouldn't even know! Its great!!! :D
 
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