The Psychedelic Being

[coelophysis]

No, oh intelligent one! That is what you are implying! Don't worry I don't blame you for not being able to see. You haven't seen it yet.

Perhaps you'd like to hear it from somebody else, recently in the trip forum too?
You think I'm BS'ing you, but clearly, I'm not.
I hope you get the chance to see it for yourself one day but unfortunately it's risky business lol.
I don't plan to try and go back anymore myself.. (on drugs)

Lol get off your high horse already.
I'd like to see anyone outside of psychedelic drugs section on Bluelight actually take you seriously. You're only really able to get a couple of people to go along with your shoddy preaching.
And it's not that I haven't seen some crazy things and learned how to have my own morals through psychedelics. But I'm not gonna start preaching and telling people they're wrong and only I hold the truth.

 

[SONN]

EWO you should probably read True Hallucinations.

Heres the pdf
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/a4b6c61f00790954.pdf

It's actually pretty funny at parts too lol

 

[yagecero]

I don't know. I find this thread to be incredibly funny. I used to think that I "knew" what was going on, too. But the further I went, the more I started to realise that I didn't know anything at all, which led me to become both more humble, and achieve silence inside. I find it far more beneficial to treat these experiences as a mystery, rather than convince myself that I'm privy to some universal "truth".

I prefer awareness/experience over "knowledge", so I'm not about to draw on abstraction in a contradictory attempt to suggest I "know" in concrete terms.

I've found this to be a beautiful and (de)constructive realisation to have.

 

[folding_space]

^ I know faith does not prove anything. I know I resembled a bit of a lunatic for short periods of time in the months after my ++++.

I recently read Terrence Mckenna's True Hallucinations and it showed me a lot about the state I was in for a while, as Dennis Mckenna was in a similar one.

The thing is, if there is a 'psychedelic being', and we are somehow receiving realizations and information from it in these states, my question is WHY???

which brings me to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j40jXmXzTU

Terrence McKenna is a pretty awesome character and has some cool ideas, but ultimately, I think he's kind of a hack. Have you listened to Alan Watts yet? He's a good starting point for understanding all of the classic Eastern ideas about consciousness and serves as a good launching point for a serious exploration of this topic.

 

[folding_space]

I don't know. I find this thread to be incredibly funny. I used to think that I "knew" what was going on, too. But the further I went, the more I started to realise that I didn't know anything at all, which led me to become humble, and achieve silence inside. I find it far more beneficial to treat these experiences as a mystery, rather than convince myself that I'm privy to some universal "truth".

I prefer awareness/experience over "knowledge", so I'm not about to draw on abstraction in a contradictory attempt to suggest I "know" in concrete terms.

I've found this to be a beautiful and (de)constructive realisation to have.

*Shrug* Exploring these topic is just a game. If you don't want to play it that's fine, but I find it quite entertaining, since it is the basis for all the other games that make up life and hence can be quite intellectually stimulating.

 

[yagecero]

^^

I never said it wasn't entertaining. Indeed, it's hilarious. People that subscribe to the idea of "ego-death" being extremely egotistical, convinced that their subjective viewpoint is universal, attempting to persuade others that they just haven't experienced "it" yet - does anyone else see the irony here?

 

[coelophysis]

convinced that their subjective viewpoint is universal, attempting to persuade others that they just haven't experienced "it" yet - does anyone else see the irony here?

Oh, I do. But then you'll be deemed less intelligent if you see it differently like me, lol.

Some people think they're the only one to ever hole or get a dissolved ego.

 

[yagecero]

Oh, I do. But then you'll be deemed less intelligent if you see it differently like me, lol.

*Retrieves a knife from the kitchen to slit wrists*

 

[Ismene]

Have you listened to Alan Watts yet? He's a good starting point for understanding all of the classic Eastern ideas about consciousness and serves as a good launching point for a serious exploration of this topic.

Did any of it do Alan any good tho folding? He died a pitiful alcoholic getting through 2 or 3 bottles of whiskey a day. What good did all that consciousness exploration do him?

 

[webbykevin]

Did any of it do Alan any good tho folding? He died a pitiful alcoholic getting through 2 or 3 bottles of whiskey a day. What good did all that consciousness exploration do him?

I read he died because he was experimenting with slowing his breathing down as some kind of meditation yoga.

Maybe he got to someplace else and chose to stay.

 

[SONN]

I have listened to alan watts.

You should also read DwayneHoover's experience with 5meoDMT and an MAOI on this page
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/72085-The-Big-amp-Dandy-5-MeO-DMT-Thread/page25

That is very similar to what I experienced. I thought that the creator had been waiting for us to create 4-aco-DMT. It was also very similar to certain taoism principles which I found to be very fascinating when I first made the connection.

The next time I took 4-aco I took a higher dose but tripped less hard and was left with the feeling that something was ABOUT to happen. Like there was suspense ever building towards something in our future. It was slightly manic and it came accompanied with all of these thought loops of connections throughout history of psychedelics and other things then it led to a shitload of confusing overstimulated thought loop ego loss.

I had some visions that were similar to the one in this trip report that just suggested rapture.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/290320-DOM-First-time-Prophetic-Dream?highlight=substancecode_dom

Then on a few later trips I had another very similar experience to Xorkoth
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=48983

The seemingly endless anticipation of NONBEING. It freaked me the fuck out i'm not gonna lie. That's when I decided this needed to stop. I can't keep worrying about..... whatever this is i'm fucking worrying about. It was making me rather psychotic.

I later had a DOC trip where I was able to put the whole thing to rest in my subconscious, it was very soothing.

...now, im not really trying to worry about our maker. I still really really wanna try a darkroom retreat one day and see what I might learn from that, though.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

No, if you have 500 years of science proving the religious wrong hundreds of times over hundreds of years you do find even some religious people realise the deadend of their position and try and claim it's allegorical rather than the true word of the Lord.

You do realize that there are books in the Tanakh (Bible) that take earlier books in it as allegorical? This over 2000 years ago...and even if you're gonna side with the literalists and say they weren't, we have Philo of Alexendria working in the early first century considering the Torah as allegorical. Others followed, and then we have arguably the most important Jewish philosopher of the past two millenia, Maimonides (popular even during his life in the 12th century), who among many other things said that our understandings of the Torah must be consistent with the findings of science (that scientific knowledge of the world helps us understand it better, in a more intellectually and spiritually mature way, bringing us closer to God).

Folks actually ought to read something about the Abrahamic religions before talking shit about them sometime, instead of just looking at whatever the popular attitude is. Source texts, historical context, popular context, all are important in providing perspective, on traditions Western and Eastern (of course if you believe in one, I'll forgive a biased viewpoint).

For Christianity I don't know as much in this regard, certainly it doesn't have the strong intellectual tradition of Judaism, and neither does Islam (well aside from during the Golden Age), and they tend to be more literal taking everything out of context with their false prophets. I've read St. Augustine and he considered the Genesis creation story as as allegorical in like the 400s or something (also considered starting a commune with his friends to get away from materialistic society and junk at one point in his life. The more things change the more they stay the same...). For all the trouble the man caused the world with his taking his Roman rhetorical training and using it to try to expound upon biblical shit, resulting in the highly legalistic and unorthodox interpretations of the Latin church (Roman Catholics, as they call themselves), the autobiographical parts of hisConfessions are pretty great stuff.

 

[folding_space]

Did any of it do Alan any good tho folding? He died a pitiful alcoholic getting through 2 or 3 bottles of whiskey a day. What good did all that consciousness exploration do him?

As far as I can tell, it did him plenty of good. He made money lecturing and publishing books and appears to have derived a lot of pleasure from contemplating and discussing these things. Just because he was an alcoholic, I don't think it's necessary to conclude that his interest human consciousness and the nature of reality drove him there or that abandoning these topics would have somehow cured him.

In any event, I didn't recommend Watts because I think he had some sort of definitive answers. I just think his lectures provide a great overview of Eastern thought about these topics and serve as a foundation for understanding other thinkers whom I find to be more interesting, like David Bohm or UG Krishnamurti.

 

[Ismene]

You do realize that there are books in the Tanakh (Bible) that take earlier books in it as allegorical?

What part of it is allegorical? The part that God exists, Jesus/mohammed exists etc? Is that allegorical? Or are you talking about some story on page 297 that's allegorical?

Obviously Jesus told some allegorical stories - but that's not saying that the whole point of the religion is allegorical. It clearly isn't and was never meant to be. They beleived God existed - and if you said he didn't you were set on fire. There's nothing allegorical about that.

 

[Ismene]

As far as I can tell, it did him plenty of good. He made money lecturing and publishing books and appears to have derived a lot of pleasure from contemplating and discussing these things.

He made a little money off the back of it I suppose but if you read his biography his wife and kids were begging him to stoplecturing because when he was away from home he drank even more to cope with the stress and depression he suffered. His son once asked him "Can't you stop drinking dad? Don't you want to live?" and Alan replied "Yes son but it's not worth the effort".

I guess if you can get something out of studying eastern religions than you should do - but I wouldn't automatically assume it's some grand path to wisdom and peace of mind. For some people it just doesn't work. Alan Watts among them. If he'd kept taking acid and "hung up the phone" on whiskey perhaps he'd have lived a much happier life.

 

[lastest]

Well yeah mate, the trouble is the only evidence exists inside your own head everytime you are tripping.

As I've said - I could bring you 50 hillbillies who have seen aliens. Would that make you believe them?

"Of course you did. Of course you saw it. You've read my stuff; haven't you grasped my blanket solution to the UFO problem? It's simple, plain and country simple: people" he settled the glasses carefully on his long hawk nose and fixed me with his best basilisk glare "see . . . things. People see these things. Nothing's there, but people see them anyway. Because they need to, probably. You've read Jung. you should know the score... .In your case, it's so obvious: You admit you were thinking about this crackpot architecture, having fantasies. .. .Look, I'm sure you've taken your share of drugs, right? How many people survived the Sixties in California without having the odd hallucination? All those nights when you discovered that whole armies of Disney technicians had been employed to weave animated holograms of Egyptian hieroglyphs into the fabric of your jeans..."

William Gibson

 

[somaeye]

Why are you so keen on trying to make a connection between man-made religious theories and psychedelics somaeye?

Because the religions were not "man-made". They were made by God, (Psychedelics). I'm referring to Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, and many others. I'm sure there are some "religions" that weren't created by Psychedelics, such as Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, etc.

 

[lastest]

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. So are Mormons and Christian Science believers in their own funny way.

 

[loremipsum]

Sects/cults are often started by ppl with a severe psychosis (messias/god complex, or complete detachment from reality, or even total fiction like scientology).
Every religion is a sect.
Drugs (just like genetic brain abnormalities) can induce or trigger a psychosis.
Go figure

 

[eye_wide_open]

You're only really able to get a couple of people to go along with your shoddy preaching.

Have you met me in real life?
I'm pretty sure just about everyone I know seems to understand it in person.
At least they try to understand what I think is going on.
Weather or not they believe it is up to them.
I'm on no high horse here, muh dear.

I can't even go through this whole thread right now.
All I know is you've been having an attitude with me for a while now and I
don't see any reason to explain myself to you.

I don't say I know anything for 100% certain.
I know better.
I'm only having fun guestimating what I felt and how it matches up so well with many others,
to include folks not even on drugs.

Don't confuse me with wanting to start a religion or insanity, because I'm the farthest thing from it. Keep your words out of my mouth. This is what I get for discussing what we see on drugs in a drug forum.
It doesn't bug me so much that you don't like my ideas. That's all they are.
Don't donate money or tithe... if you read back... that's the last thing anyone like me would ask for.

I'm an open mind and a free spirit and I'm going to ask questions and share ideas no matter how stupid somebody is going to make me look.