Opiods and Steroids

drewbolic said:
methodone is no good,IMO try tapering done enough were you can stop and/or get on suboxone for the opioid dependency.the problem with the done is you retain water and on it,that is only one of many down sides to the methodone as you know.suboxone has many fewer side effects so whenits time to end treatment its a lot easer to come off.I have empathy for you though I am recovering addict and found my new drug of choice is physical/health enhancement by working out and making healthy knowledgeable decisions in my life with that said you should really get a professional medical opinion.Some doctors are cool about it and will advise you in proper AAS consumption.Hope all woks out for you.
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I know that methadone has been shown to put on weight in some people (I fell into that category when I was in recovery) but I was unaware it actually retained water ? Do you know why this is - I didn't bloat, simply metabolism was killed by the dones / depakote / lithium and serequel - thank god I'm off that stuff bro!! Suboxone is a much better drug to use, but frankly, I wouldn't recommend daily treatment with any of the two - wait until you are ready to quit, use some suboxen(just enough so you can sleep, yes you still could feel sick, when I kicked with suboxen the first time I was taking 10-12 80s a day and even 3 8mg subs would leave me feeling sick sometimes). Best advice - set a week aside, take as little as possible w/the subs, ride it out, and try to fill that time with the training bro!! I don't know about you but if you have a job , even part time , preparing meals for the week / days - and making sure you eat at the right times, lifting then cardio later wil take up plenty of time! Do you have family support bro ? If I hadn't had my best friend around I doubt I ever would've made it through the 7 (yes 7) weeks of methadone withdrawal, but I kicked cold turkey at a high dose. Best of luck mate, I'd leave AAS alone until you are feeling like yourself. Be safe friend.
 
9mg of methadone is very low, and will not be too suppressive in regards to your natural testosterone product. But long term methadone use often does lead to gyno, as it did in my case.


Before worrying about the possible role of prolactin, get some blood work done (typical hormone panel, but make sure prolactin is included). The pramipexole may not be warranted.

But yes, prolactin is often at the root of gyno, as opposed to excessive estrogen...
 
negrogesic said:
9mg of methadone is very low, and will not be too suppressive in regards to your natural testosterone product. But long term methadone use often does lead to gyno, as it did in my case.


Before worrying about the possible role of prolactin, get some blood work done (typical hormone panel, but make sure prolactin is included). The pramipexole may not be warranted.

But yes, prolactin is often at the root of gyno, as opposed to excessive estrogen...
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Was unaware methadone (or any opiate) surpresses your free test levels ? Why is this bro ?
 
It has to do with a complex interaction that opioids (exogenous or endogenous) have on the hypothalamic-pituitary gonadal axis.....

Marathon and long distance runners sometimes experiences decreases in test levels because excessive endogenous endorphins...


Just type in google: methadone hypogonadism

There is alot of info on it....


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15251556
 
^ damn bro - I was on methadone for years, I can't believe I never had heard of that - so glad I'm away from that shit now!! Good find / read bro. Thank you.
 
goooof...i was on meth 6 years justv 17 days ago i kicked cold turkey like reral maN...ALL METH GUYS Are pussy...and i would get high off 120,,,then when 120 did not work io would drink my 120 and buy a friends drink of 120for a day...i just kiked 240 a day.....it suchb pussy waste time wein down...u suffer slowly fior months////or quit and u 10 days max.....true to god my oxy withdraw was worse...MAN UP PEOPLE,,,PUSSSY JOPIN METH FOR TECS //////
 
Way to necro a 3 year old thread.

Addicts in general are scum, not just to meth. No need to reiterate facts that are known by most adult human beings and, some of your more discerning domesticated animals.
 
dave2121 said:
goooof...i was on meth 6 years justv 17 days ago i kicked cold turkey like reral maN...ALL METH GUYS Are pussy...and i would get high off 120,,,then when 120 did not work io would drink my 120 and buy a friends drink of 120for a day...i just kiked 240 a day.....it suchb pussy waste time wein down...u suffer slowly fior months////or quit and u 10 days max.....true to god my oxy withdraw was worse...MAN UP PEOPLE,,,PUSSSY JOPIN METH FOR TECS //////
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Get the fuck out of my forum with your drivel. You got high on methadone maintenance and you think you redeemed yourself by going cold turkey? If anything you are a fucking idiot for doing that and you are the pussy. Day one of my program I stopped getting high and trying to get high on opiates and opiods. If you taper properly you don't even feel any withdrawals or experience any "suffering". There is no way in hell you kicked Methadone in 10 days at 120mg-140mg with it being in your system for six years. You are either lying or you have yet to experience the withdrawal due to the half life of methadone and the amount that has accumulated in your system over time.
 
LH and testosterone are lowered by opioids including methadone, and severe ED in patients not reporting it prior to opioid use is common: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14622741

Infusion of opioid peptides appears to regulate pituitary gonadotropin release by diminishing LHRH release from the hypothalamus, but exogenous still LHRH works at the pituitary level to induce LH release - so it's happening at the hypothalamic level not the pituitary level; naloxone (similar to naltrexone) reverses this effect: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6784982

Due to the long acting nature of methadone, you may want to consider use of naltrexone at certain times to maintain LHRH secretion.

Also, it is very possible that you suffer from hypothyroidism.
Get blood work and let us know.

So make sure Prolactin, Estrogen, Testosterone, Thyroid are within range. Also Insulin is a mediator and HGH/Peptides/hgh so dont use any of these until its fixed.
 
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Voxide said:
Addicts in general are scum, not just to meth. No need to reiterate facts that are known by most adult human beings and, some of your more discerning domesticated animals.
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I came into this thread as a person who has long been interested in physical development. Before I became addicted to opiates, when I was able to control my use, I was doing really well and had gained a lot of muscle over a 12 month period, then my life changed and I ended up on methadone. I'm still interested in getting my body back to where I want it, but methadone has completely ruined my motivation.

I was interested in this thread because it related to my situation, even though I'm not even thinking about using steroids at present. I've gotta say I certainly won't be coming back here to ask any questions even if I do decide to use steroids once I'm clean, all the people I've read in this thread, and probably on this whole sub-forum are the stereotypical roid heads with tiny dicks, big tits and have little man syndrome and anger problems. I bet you're all in the security "business" too.

scum.
 
opi8 said:
I've gotta say I certainly won't be coming back here to ask any questions even if I do decide to use steroids
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Good, faggot. We don't want you. Go post your homoerotic rantings somewhere else.
 
I'm sure with all the steroids you're taking you're very well endowed, I apologize for insulting your manhood.

Those meds you're taking must give you superhuman abilities, such as taking the time to consider what you're saying. Calling me a faggot, then suggesting that I'm posting homoerotic rantings must have taken you a long time to get from your brain to the keyboard. Congrats.

Maybe if you could see past words, look at the circumstances of my post, then you may understand why such stereotypes are great for all of us. It may also help you neanderthals to look up the word sarcasm in the dictionary, it may explain some things that you'd never thought of before.
 
opi8 said:
I came into this thread as a person who has long been interested in physical development. Before I became addicted to opiates, when I was able to control my use, I was doing really well and had gained a lot of muscle over a 12 month period, then my life changed and I ended up on methadone. I'm still interested in getting my body back to where I want it, but methadone has completely ruined my motivation.

I was interested in this thread because it related to my situation, even though I'm not even thinking about using steroids at present. I've gotta say I certainly won't be coming back here to ask any questions even if I do decide to use steroids once I'm clean, all the people I've read in this thread, and probably on this whole sub-forum are the stereotypical roid heads with tiny dicks, big tits and have little man syndrome and anger problems. I bet you're all in the security "business" too.

scum.
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Narcotic use is frowned upon in this forum because it defeats the purpose of bodybuilding. Recreational narcotics and bodybuilding do not mix. Nor do recreational stimulants. Many bodybuilders have died or atrophied from narcotic use when on steroids.

I happen to be on Methadone as well. Four years, 100mg a day. Was on heroin for seven years. 4-5 grams a day on average, sometimes much more money permitting.

Building your body on Methadone is possible. Your lack of motivation is caused by the Methadone ironically. You need it to function, but it hinders testosterone production gravely. I have no qualms with people who are on legit prescription medications who don't abuse them.

I have managed to get myself from a 145lb broken methadone patient to 190lbs of muscle. I'm sitting at 8% body fat now because when it's cold I like to bulk. It hides the slight gain in fat.

Realize that what man can do, another can do as well.

My advice since you are a recovering opiate addict is to try and get on Testosterone Replacement Therapy and then come here for advice on how to blast and cruise. Testosterone restored my motivation by restoring my Testosterone levels.

One thing I have learned is to truly bring out the potential of ones body you need to be off the Methadone. It makes one retain fluid making me who happens to be 8% look like 10% body fat. It also causes the digestive system to slow to crawl leading to bloating in the abdomen. The easy fix would be a diuretic and laxatives but the true fix would be coming off the Methadone.

Stick around. Some of us might come of like dicks but our hearts are in the right place and a great deal of us are former addicts or have been affected by addiction.
 
addict checking in- guido is right. once you get off the drugs is when you see the changes take place. I got clean at 117 pounds, started lifting at 140 (my average weight) and now am at 160. I'm pretty lean but since I'm bulking, a little fat won't hurt me too much. my top abs are visible still so I'm fine I think lol.
 
Serotonin101 said:
addict checking in- guido is right. once you get off the drugs is when you see the changes take place. I got clean at 117 pounds, started lifting at 140 (my average weight) and now am at 160. I'm pretty lean but since I'm bulking, a little fat won't hurt me too much. my top abs are visible still so I'm fine I think lol.
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If you are concerned with appearance and don't mind gains that come slow but are quality try lean bulking.

If not, don't feel bad about a little fat. Come this time of year in NY it's off season; Meaning winter clothes and an excuse to bulk hard. Make your gains now and cut come spring time.
 
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