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Random MSN Gibberings CI: Art Appreciation for Beginners

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hx_ said:
Haha and MSB has stopped pissing me off. What's happening with the world. XD



As for this, in the realms of music tech a degree, the experience and contacts are well worth it. Not just theoretical crap like many degrees seem to be, tonnes of hands on stuff and the range of practical knowledge is vast, not something that you can get anywhere as much of the "pro level" stuff is closely guarded in the industry.

Cannot wait :D
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The contacts are the main thing I'd say. Anything technical you can pretty much teach yourself. You can't make the contacts on your own though. Anyone I know that are doing anything decent music industry related (other than strumming guitar in a band) are able to do it because of the contacts they made either while in semi-successful bands or while at college/uni. It seems like the easiest "way in", for want of a better expression.
 
A good mate of mine is just making headway now, after working part-time as a recording engineer for a few years.

It took a lot of networking and word-of-mouth recommendations from bands he worked with, but he's making quite a few records for local labels now.

Contacts are everything, whether it's real industry insiders or at grassroots level.
 
knockando said:
But that's not how it's seemed from where I'm sitting!
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I just sort of think of it this way:

We are currently at A. You predict that one day we will be at Z. We still need to run through every letter from B to Y to get to Z! Anything could happen. Any permeatation or fuck up... We could just as easily end up in a fascist dictatorship again, as we could a functional communist dictatorship.
 
parttime crackhead said:
The contacts are the main thing I'd say. Anything technical you can pretty much teach yourself. You can't make the contacts on your own though. Anyone I know that are doing anything decent music industry related (other than strumming guitar in a band) are able to do it because of the contacts they made either while in semi-successful bands or while at college/uni. It seems like the easiest "way in", for want of a better expression.
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That and the "employment in relevant industries" or whatever they call it percentage of this uni is in the high 90%s.

Music is indeed networking networking networking and then practical experience/confidence. The skill/tech knowledge is all well and good but if you don't know how or where to use it properly and practically it's utterly useless. Have a few carpenter mates too so that'll help if I ever decide on going the soundsystem route.

As for the "way in" thing that's extremely true, just finished a 2 year course in the same subject at college but almost no-one will employ someone who hasn't actually gigged live or recorded/produced professionally before.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I just sort of think of it this way:

We are currently at A. You predict that one day we will be at Z. We still need to run through every letter from B to Y to get to Z! Anything could happen. Any permeatation or fuck up... We could just as easily end up in a fascist dictatorship again, as we could a functional communist dictatorship.
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Anything could happen, except what will happen is whatever we decide to do. Let's not decide to have a dictatorship.

I'm off to muck about with something now.
 
knockando said:
Anything could happen, except what will happen is whatever we decide to do. Let's not decide to have a dictatorship.

I'm off to muck about with something now.
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Yeah but i'm pretty sure a lot of people who currently live in totalitarian dictatorships don't want to be in them. The uprisings in the middle east have shown as much - which only happened because of technology! But still, other countries are being dragged into dictatorships all over again, a bit like Russia. I think that even when we work together the powers that be are extremely good at smashing consensus, and keeping their grip on power. Even if we did make it into communism, I think there would have to be a leader. And that leader would be in charge of the police and the army, and we would be reliant on his or her good will to relinquish power. Given that those who get to the top tend to be the Machiavellian types, I would say it's a flip of a coin as to whether or not they will pass the power on. They will probably just say we aren't ready yet, we aren't ready yet etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Now, when you say this time will be different, we can learn from history, I implore you to actually look at the history of what you are advocating and how it has panned out because people have had a pretty damn good try as far as I can tell!
 
hx_ said:
As for the "way in" thing that's extremely true, just finished a 2 year course in the same subject at college but almost no-one will employ someone who hasn't actually gigged live or recorded/produced professionally before.
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Totally man. I've been looking at college courses & the only thing I can find that I'm interested in is sound engineering/production.

I'm not really interested at all in actually making music, more the live set-up, studio, recording etc side of it. The problem is that it would probably be a waste of time as it's nigh on impossible to get a job at the end of it.
 
can you see the future PTCH?


P.S What sort of sounds can you get out of that system you have ( shown on other thread)?


PPS If you dont mind me saying it looks like quite a bulky clumsy old thing.
 
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parttime crackhead said:
I'm not really interested at all in actually making music, more the live set-up, studio, recording etc side of it. The problem is that it would probably be a waste of time as it's nigh on impossible to get a job at the end of it.
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Bit of a defeatist attitude there, eh?

It's an oversubscribed field, yeah, but if you're talented and the people you work with like your methods and the sound you get then it's as good a time as any to get cracking.

There's more recording work being done on a lower budget and a smaller scale than at any time before. It's not an easy thing to break into by any means, but it's definitely not impossible, and one breakthrough is often all it takes.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
The uprisings in the middle east have shown as much - which only happened because of technology!

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Now, when you say this time will be different, we can learn from history, I implore you to actually look at the history of what you are advocating and how it has panned out because people have had a pretty damn good try as far as I can tell!
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:sus:
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
can you see the future PTCH?


P.S What sort of sounds can you get out of that system you have ( shown on other thread)?


PPS If you dont mind me saying it looks like quite a bulky clumsy old thing.
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It's just 2 speakers.

2 of these - http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/recording-studio/detail.asp?stock=10030113081213

The sound from them is excellent. Loud as fuck.

SamhainGrim said:
Bit of a defeatist attitude there, eh?
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Aye definitely man haha. I have a bit of a defeatist outlook tbh.

I'm still considering it, I might actually do it if I can't figure out a better plan.
 
we aquired a tv for P's room. Shes just seeing if it will work by testing it in the front room.

P..'the scart lead wont go in'

me: 'wheres it coming from'

P... 'The Sky'

What?????
 
So PT ya Cunt what's the clue with your Jobseeking ?
You got any Irons in the fire or are you gonna lunch it for a while, you will soon get pissed off being skint . I take it you got a months pay at least .
 
brimz said:
So PT ya Cunt what's the clue with your Jobseeking ?
You got any Irons in the fire or are you gonna lunch it for a while, you will soon get pissed off being skint . I take it you got a months pay at least .
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Fuck all at the moment. Living the dream for a minute haha. Technically I'm still employed for another few weeks so I've not been near the Giro-Cunts yet. I'll get more than a months wage so I should be OK cash-wise for a couple months, skinto the now though as I'm still waiting on the cash coming through, won't be for at least a few weeks.
 
Just a question, is it possible to get Jobseekers/free money if you're living with parents and voluntarily quit your job? Never dealt with them before.
 
Living with parents has nothing to do with it you're entitled to the same as anyone else but if you quit your job you won't get money from them. Think it's 3 months you have to wait before you can make a claim after quitting.

Totally man. I've been looking at college courses & the only thing I can find that I'm interested in is sound engineering/production.

I'm not really interested at all in actually making music, more the live set-up, studio, recording etc side of it. The problem is that it would probably be a waste of time as it's nigh on impossible to get a job at the end of it.
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You used to be a Hip Hop producer, you'll have no problems getting a job. ;)
 
I think anyone who doesn't work for themselves is a mug full stop. I don't think they're mugs because of what they're paid. Even if I earnt less working off my own back i'd rather do that than answer to somebody. That's what I mean when I say they're being mugs. I'm not sat here paying them £5 an hour saying 'muhahaha you're all dickheads for accepting this meagre wage' or anything lol.
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Working for someone else is a mugs game, I agree. I'm not saying I'll never work for someone else again as it might need to happen pretty soon (skint!) but I'm certainly going to do what I can to set myself up with my own income source so I'm not reliant on some cunt of an employer who just wants me to work harder, for as little money as possible, so they can make more cash. Fuck them. Fuck corporations and the big businesses who make millions or billions a year but pay minimum wage and hire workers through agencies so they don't have to give them any rights, benefits, pension or pay rises and can screw them over and have them sacked in an instant and simply say "it's nothing to do with us". It can all get to fuck, there's no way I'm getting myself a 'career' and working in the same job for the rest of my life just so some other prick can get rich of my labour.

Independent income is the way forward. My goal is to have that and be location independent with nothing to tie me to a particular place. Come and go as I please.
 
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parttime crackhead said:
Totally man. I've been looking at college courses & the only thing I can find that I'm interested in is sound engineering/production.

I'm not really interested at all in actually making music, more the live set-up, studio, recording etc side of it. The problem is that it would probably be a waste of time as it's nigh on impossible to get a job at the end of it.
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I know so many talented people who have done degrees, masters, the whole shebang, and they're still fucked at the end of it with no where to go. The UK churns out more graduates for photography per year than there are photography jobs in the entire world... (I know we're talking about music, but same difference really). I don't think you're being defeatist, I think you're being a realist. If you're doing it for fun, and you want to take that risk that you'll be one of the 9/10 people who don't end up working in that industry, then you might as well go for it. But if you do education for intellectual fulfillment and getting a job at the end, it should probably be in something employers are looking for! And this is coming from a history graduate, who knew full fucking well that if a recession hit there would be no jobs for history grads. I did it purely for the enjoyment and the getting fucked up every day :D
 
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