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The Bad Trip: Experiences of Infinite Solitude and Terror

I have found that when a trip takes a turn for the worse it helps to aquire a trolling state of minds and troll others or pictures on the wall anything you can make your self laugh at When i first did lsd when the visuals started to set in i started to panic so i sat down on the couch and there was this picture of jesus on the wall and i was staring at it i decided to have a staring contest with it and i was so determined to win because of my trolling nature i compleatly forgot about my fear and went on a very pious journey through space and time. my friends said i was just staring at the picture the whole 4 or 5 hours we where at her house with the amount i took i cannot even imagine how scary that trip would have been if i had not saved it.
 
somaeye said:
attributing to them deity.
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But so what soma? Primitive people attributed deity to pretty much anything, the aztecs worshipped the sun God. That's just what primitive people tend to do. Why would you want to follow them when you know so much more about the world and don't need God to explain everything?
 
^Word. Resorting to divinity to explain unknowns is outdated thinking. And it always surprises me when psychedelic minded folk with their propensity towards oneness and unity of existence come up with plurality in divinity.


Muhammed said to his follwers, "Isn't every one of you able to recite one third of the Quran during a night?" They thought it was very difficult, so they asked: "Who is able to do that, O Apostle of God?" He responded: "He is God, the One and Only is one third of the Qur'an."
 
Ismene said:
But so what soma? Primitive people attributed deity to pretty much anything, the aztecs worshipped the sun God. That's just what primitive people tend to do.
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For one thing, you were questioning whether the word "Teonanacatl" means "God's Flesh" and said that
That was the translation that the early spanish gave to it - no-ones sure if it's accurate or not.
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It's obviously accurate since the people were believing that the mushrooms were Deities, although it doesn't really matter if it's an accurate translation or not since the main point I was trying to make was that they believed that.

As far as I'm concerned, "primitive" people think that the God of Christ, or Moses, or Mohammed, or Buddha, etc., was something other than Psychedelics. To me, they're no different than someone who believes in Santa Claus.

That's just what primitive people tend to do. Why would you want to follow them when you know so much more about the world and don't need God to explain everything?
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I believe that God (Psychedelics) is the Essence of consciousness. Without God there would be no explanation of anything.

I would like to ask you this: have you ever had a Psychedelic experience that was so strong that you saw that the Psychedelic is a living Being?
 
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I believe the essence of consciousness is onions. When I eat fried onions I feel I am in the presence of God and at one with the universe.
 
somaeye said:
It's obviously accurate since the people were believing that the mushrooms were Deities, although it doesn't really matter if it's an accurate translation or not since the main point I was trying to make was that they believed that.
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Read what you posted again. It says "in the works of "Serna" - sounds awfully like a spanish name to me. Now try and imagine how accurate a spanish translation of a completely new foreign language by some spanish conquistador would be. The answer? Not very.

I've heard them called a lot of other names - the names given to them by Maria Sabina and every other mexican who used them was something a lot gentler - usually "the little ones that spring forth".

It's obviously accurate since the people were believing that the mushrooms were Deities

I'm not sure they saw them as "Gods". I think they saw them as being special and that might have meant seeing them in a religious sense - but the spanish banned all the primitive religious ideas and made them all become catholics. So you get a lot of catholic imagery mixed up with mushrooms nowadays - which obviously has nothing to do with the original peoples view of the mushrooms.

A primitive indian would have tried to explain what they were to a conquistador and he would have jumped to the conclusion "You think these are God?". Now whether they did actually mean that is another question entirely.

Certainly if you read the life story of Maria Sabina - a woman who was actually involved with the mushrooms rather than reading 400 year old spanish translations - she's a lot more at ease with them. She runs into the forest as a child with a friend and they laugh themselves silly. Their parents carry them away and don't shout at them - they just say "Maria's taken the mushrooms that make you go silly". There's no particular solemn religious connotation to them.

have you ever had a Psychedelic experience that was so strong that you saw that the Psychedelic is a living Being?

Well mushrooms are a living thing - whether they're a being with a consciousness I'm not sure. On balance I'd say probably not.
 
somaeye said:
I believe that God is the Essence of consciousness. Without God there would be no explanation of anything.
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"In the beginning was the word. And the word was God."
Without words there is no concept of God. Without the word 'God', God cannot exist.
So I agree entirely. And disagree entirely.
 
'Infinite solitude' = Realizing that you are one person.
'Terror' = Feeling alone.
'The Bad Trip' = Realizing that you are one person.

This thread = Trying to forget that you are one person = Integration into the safety of 'the group' (of strangers!).
 
limitsoflanguage said:
'Infinite solitude' = Realizing that you are one person.
'Terror' = Feeling alone.
'The Bad Trip' = Realizing that you are one person.

This thread = Trying to forget that you are one person = Integration into the safety of 'the group' (of strangers!).
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Thank you so much for all of your help! It'd help to read my posts, and not just the title I chose for the thread.

I'm very disappointed my strongly worded reply to somaeye was edited out of my last post, and without notification. Since we're talking about illegal drug use I figured it'd be safe to use whatever type of language or insult I want, guess not. I don't remember all of what I said, but I know there was some good stuff in there. So, thanks to you all who know what I'm talking about and aren't delusional.
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I believe the essence of consciousness is onions. When I eat fried onions I feel I am in the presence of God and at one with the universe.
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thank you for this
 
somaeye said:
Well, I don't go to parties. I also don't "trip".

"Tripping" is for people who think that Psychedelics are dead metal vehicles that take you on a voyage (trip) to god. They think that Psychedelics are a "short-cut to enlightenment" (Ken Kesey?).

My belief and understanding is that Psychedelics are Living Beings. They are not only Conscious Beings, They are the essence of consciousness - Omniscient.

The only "trip" involved is the journey that They take you on to meet Them. It's more like our bodies are the "dead metal vehicles" that They use to transport us to Them. (The amount of life our bodies have is like being dead, compared to Them.) There is no "short-cut". If you "hang up the phone", then you have failed to receive the Message.

"Didn't you realize that you were God's temple and that the Spirit of God was living among you?" -- 1st Corinthians, 3,16
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Whoa...so I am dead but my drugs are alive? Most drugs are organic molecules so there is some truth to this but I would not consider a simple organic compound to be anywhere near as "alive" as my mind and body.

I personally take psychedelics for many reasons...exploring the inner workings of the mind, escapism, spiritualism, sometimes just plain old fun. Enlightenment happens when new concepts are understood, or pieces of the puzzle come together and your universe expands. Tripping can trigger this sometimes but planning on "being enlightened" when dosing is a lost cause I think because psychedelics are so unpredictable (this is what makes them fun).


To the OP...from my experience mescaline would be the ideal substance for you. A low to moderate dose has most of the effects of MDMA with a little more psychedelia to go with it.
 
sinisterbotanist said:
Since we're talking about illegal drug use I figured it'd be safe to use whatever type of language or insult I want, guess not.
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Well no, it is against the rules to be outright rude to people on these boards. Having said that, I wish I'd seen your post. ;)
 
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