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bk-MDMA methylone being sold as "molly"

i haven't seen it myself yet, only have his description. i wouldn't take it anyways unless i tested it (no kit available right now, but i look into buying one), and advise him against taking it. i'm just curious^^
 
I too have seen a lot of methylone being sold as 'Molly' in the past year.. It is interesting considering methylone is illegal just like MDMA.. I speculate that there was surplus methylone which was produced while it was still legal and now the manufacturers are probably selling it very cheap through gang networks and drug cartels.... Ive seen a lot of this 'molly' being sold by dealers that normally only deal in things like coke..
 
Chesh said:
why do americans even call it molly anyway?

we call it mandy and that sort of sounds like MD which we always say as short for MDMA, molly doesn't make sense to me.

Mandy Emay is her full name.
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I'm not from the US but I think molly comes from "molecule", correct me if I'm wrong ? That was before there were 999 mdXX-drugs, apparently :p.

ecstasyboy717 said:
yes it looks different. bk-mdma is just basically white. Good MDMA is off white and has a brownish tint to it.
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I have 2 batches of real MDMA here, tested at 84%. One is off-whit and the other is brown. I thought it depends on the solvent used to wash off the mdma after it has been fabricated.
 
BossHallucy said:
I too have seen a lot of methylone being sold as 'Molly' in the past year.. It is interesting considering methylone is illegal just like MDMA.. I speculate that there was surplus methylone which was produced while it was still legal and now the manufacturers are probably selling it very cheap through gang networks and drug cartels.... Ive seen a lot of this 'molly' being sold by dealers that normally only deal in things like coke..
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Some chinese labs are still sending it to other countries despite the laws those countries hold.
 
Maybe i need to brush up on my synth reading... but im almost certain most is made from safrole and still comes out crystal clear/white...

Where did you read this about color being related to safrole?

I cant find any synth procedures calling for anything other than safrole as the basic ingredient.... i cant find a single one omitting it...
 
There are four principal precursors which can be used in the manufacture of MDMA and related drugs: safrole, isosafrole, piperonal and 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (PMK). Safrole is the key starting material in so far as the other three can be synthesised from it. In the original Merck patent of 1914, safrole was reacted with hydrobromic acid to form bromosafrole, which was converted to MDMA using methylamine. Many illicit syntheses start with PMK and use either the Leuckart route or various reductive aminations including the aluminium foil method. All of these methods produce racemic MDMA. The four precursors noted above are listed in Table I of the United Nations 1988 Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances. The corresponding EU legislation is set out in Council Regulation (EEC) No 3677/90 (as later amended), which governs trade between the EU and third countries
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http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/mdma



Most MDMA has a taste/smell like safrole... and the browner the MDMA usually the more it will smell... if you notice a root beer/sweet shop smell to your MDMA, it's from safrole
 
The shit going around now is gross. I haven't had a decent roll in almost a year. The best stuff, imo of course, was going around was 09' through mid 10'. It's quite comical to see all the children running around talking about how hard the roll is. HAH if only they knew 8)
 
Folley said:
I saw that too, but none the less you can still make MDMA with just PMK and no safrole



No wonder you cant find anything using PMK... the real name is MDP2P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDP2P


MDP2P is synthesized from safrole, but you can make MDMA from MDP2P without safrole... and it seems to me like it would be cleaner as well
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Yea MDP2P comes from safrole as does P2P from phenylacetic acid...
 
Folley said:
Yes, you make MDP2P from safrole so you can make MDMA... but if you have MDP2P (PMK) already you can skip the extra steps of converting methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propene (safrole) into methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (MDP2P)
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/yougottabetrollingme

How do you think someone makes MDP2P? It comes from safrole to begin with.

Safrole is the key starting material in so far as the other three can be synthesised from it
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So all MDMA comes legit from safrole :)
 
safrole is for small scale production unless you live outside the US. like less than an ounce each batch. you guys should look into using catechol as the main precursor. much less watched, and dirt cheap
 
What's fellow disco biscuits. Lol. The word Molly came from its source. It's actually short for Molecule. I've been in the scene since the mid 90's. retired from it in the early 2000's. not like you care but just sayin. ? Been there done that.
 
you guys should look into using catechol as the main precursor.
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Briefly looking at this in wiki you have a very very valid point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechol

Piperonal, a flowery scent, is prepared from the methylene diether of catechol followed by condensation with glyoxal and decarboxylation.
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The catechol skeleton occurs in a variety of natural products such as urushiols, which are the skin-irritating poisons found in plants like poison ivy, and catecholamines, drugs imitating them (such as MDMA),
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It is a common building block in organic synthesis.
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Transformer mentioned something about the grey MDMA powder coming from an alternative precursor than safrol. This may well be it.

I also notice it is used for black and white photo developing would be an easy blag to justify buying it.

I think a lot of the synthesis methods on the net are from the MDMA boom period in the early 2000s so Safrol at the time was the only possibility.

Seems times are changing.


This also made me laugh

Catechol is also a component of castoreum, a substance from castors, used in perfumery.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum

It seems that the grey MDMA powder might have started its life from a Mature American Beavers Anal sack and Nuts. :D :D :D

Next time someone on ED starts boasting about grey MDMA "Moon Rocks" I might chuckle to myself.
 
Yer, safroll up until the clamp down in China around 2008. Then after the European drought I beleave there is another precursor that the labs are using now. What I don't know.
 
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