OxyContin for 6-year-olds

If a doctor is putting his/her license on the line to help a hurting child? When I had my ear surgery when I was 11 I was given Oxycodone or Oxymorphone (Highly doubt) All I know is it started with oxy.

Like ferinox said, our brains are pretty much unable to tell if we are high or not when we are children.
 
Ok, when I said Ive never been on medication, I neglected to mention I was prescribed dilaudid just last month for a broken leg. Other than that, ive literally never even had to use tylenol. you ever use a painkiller as a painkiller and not a recreational drug? it sucks both ways. constipation, lack of appetite, lethargy- to name a few side effects. do i think children should be prescribed opiates? i have no opinion. just like my opinion on abortion is irrelevant and unsupported, with good reason. you probably didnt read my post, but in it i was very clearly advocating the use of medical marijuana and not narcotic painkillers. im unsure why that puts me "in over my head," simply stating an ordinary response to a topic relevant to my experience. aand i dont give a shit how you view that.
 
And no, i do not believe that healthy living can cure cancer; my grandmother is undergoing chemotherapy as she was recently diagnosed with breast cancer for the third time in 4 years. so there goes your "theory." i think youre misinformed about the causes and treatments of cancer, so maybe you should reevaluate your responses. can you detect sarcasm on the internet?
 
I have used opiate painkillers for legitimate purposes and for fun. I got addicted both times. I have also used marijuana for minor pain/discomfort. Marijuana is a great drug but it doesn't cut it when it comes to true suffering. Like I have said, who the fuck cares where the drug comes from when you are suffering? If hitler controlled all the pain medication on earth and I had just had my lower jaw ripped off I would communicate with a series of blinks to my family that they need to give that hate-filled bastard whatever he wants in exchange for some nazicontin.
 
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Ok, when I said Ive never been on medication, I neglected to mention I was prescribed dilaudid just last month for a broken leg. Other than that, ive literally never even had to use tylenol. you ever use a painkiller as a painkiller and not a recreational drug? it sucks both ways. constipation, lack of appetite, lethargy- to name a few side effects. do i think children should be prescribed opiates? i have no opinion. just like my opinion on abortion is irrelevant and unsupported, with good reason. you probably didnt read my post, but in it i was very clearly advocating the use of medical marijuana and not narcotic painkillers. im unsure why that puts me "in over my head," simply stating an ordinary response to a topic relevant to my experience. aand i dont give a shit how you view that.
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you are internally inconsistent with your argument. If you have no opinion, then you would not advocate for cannabis over narcotics (doing so means you have at the very least an opinion that narcotics are inferior to cannabis)

Now, why are you in over your head? You don't seem to even note the different sorts of pain and don't note what it is that opioids, cannabis, and other analgesics and anesthetics are used for/are useful for and what they are not, and this suggests you have a limited understanding of the subject.

At the very minimum, cannabis IS NOT an anesthetic agent and would patently unsuitable for surgical and severe trauma pain. Similarly, unsuited to use for procedural/interventional and intensive and critical care sedation. No one agent or class of agent covers all these, but various narcotics are very important and common in these uses. The number of reasons why, and number of (real and not even uncommon) scenarios is tl;dr but P.M. me if you want a dense and technical exposition on why.

As for above, cannabis is also by no means even a strong/highly potent analgesic. For the same reasons that APAP or ketorolac would be unsuitable for post-surgical pain, as is cannabis.

Finally, I think anyone posting a general claim that "Peds patients should never, ever require an Rx of narcotics" is in over their head... according The American Medical Association
The pediatric population is at risk of inadequate pain management, with age-related factors affecting pain management in children.
Children are often given minimal or no analgesia for procedures that would routinely be treated aggressively in adults. Although
much is now known about pain management in children, it has not been widely or effectively translated into routine clinical practice.
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as well as noting that

Persistent Pain in Children
Persistent pain is much less prevalent in children than adults, but
episodic headaches, abdominal pain and chest pain are seen
relatively commonly in pediatric clinics. Specific information about
treatment for these types of pain will be included in subsequent
modules in this CME series. Children with chronic medical disease
(e.g., cancer, arthritis, cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia) can
experience a significant amount of pain associated with both their
underlying disease and the procedures that are performed to treat
it. They deserve not only access to adequate pain medication, but
also psychological support to help them continue to learn and
grow as they should.
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Both from a CME "pediatric pain management" module and which has suggestions for the use of narcotics in children.
 
rangrz said:
Now, why are you in over your head?

Finally, I think anyone posting a general claim that "Peds patients should never, ever require an Rx of narcotics" is in over their head... according The American Medical Association .
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uhh.. you seem to be internally contradicting yourself in your argument. also, i have no idea where you quoted that from because i certainly did not claim children "never, ever" need painkillers. i stated how i see the issue and then claimed i have no valid opinion, because i dont. have. children. go ahead and continue telling me my basis for a response is unfounded.
 
You said that "i was very clearly advocating the use of medical marijuana and not narcotic painkillers."

"Cannabis /\ ~opiates" is the logic statement here. With you saying that you advocate for cannabis(aka, setting the status of the first input of your logic statement high), the complement of which is the negation of using narcotics. (Because AND means the second term also needs to be true/high in order for the output to be true/high. The second term, you said was "not narcotics") So, you are saying that when kids need painkillers, it should be cannabis AND NOT be opiates.

" claimed i have no valid opinion, because i dont. have. children."

That does not really make sense on an inductive level, because I'd wager a physician without children is far more qualified to give that kind of opinion then a parent who does not know the first thing about medicine or biology is. More generally, having some knowledge of a given subject is a better basis to make a claim about that subject then merely being a first hand recipient of the implications of that subject. A Lawyer probably has a better opinion of a legal defense then an illiterate defendant does, despite the lawyer not being subject to the consequences. Etc.

"go ahead and continue telling me my basis for a response is unfounded."
Your basis for a response is founded enough never the less. Everyone has some entitlement to an opinion, and the express purpose of bluelight is to have discussions on things. I am saying a) your argument is not very good. b) I am expressing my opinion of, and discussing, your post, which is inline with the purpose of this website.
 
I'm Canadian too motherfucker! LOL!

I think the most glaring contradiction I see in your 'not having and opinion' is that you are stating your opinion on the matter at all...!

I think (like you said yourself) that you are in over your head because you aren't realizing that they have said publicly that the pill is not going to be reformulated in any way and it will not be marketed to paediatricians. They aren't going to slap a smiley face on it or anything... It is going to be LABELLED for children as young as six. This means that the doctors who currently risk their jobs to give young kids a drug for certain bursts of pain that doesn't make them hallucinate as easily (like morphine) or feel sick/spinny/overly itchy (like morphine) don't LOSE their jobs. At least that is the way purdue is spinning it, of course they will get a longer patent = billions more but I think kids who are possibly on their death bed deserve a variety of pain meds. Everyone is different man.
 
fact of the matter is, no one cares that i have an opinion. but let me rephrase; however valid or illogical my opinion may be, in this case it accomplishes nothing. thats what i should have said. purdue does not listen to children nor do they listen to opinions from canadians, americans or anyone other than the FDA and the likes of government lobbyists. much of my animosity stems from the position im in, knowing i have zero say in this particular outcome. also, i have a broken leg and i get easily frustrated having to spend my summer on a couch. sorry to be abrasive, nothing against you guys, rangrz and 420.
 
^ people do care that you have an opinion because of the ignorant way you try to voice it.
sweeping generalisations don't really help your cause, and this black-and-white view of the world (i'm referring specifically to the notion of medical marijuana vs big pharma) doesn't help your side of the argument at all. i agree that cannabis can and should be used medicinally when appropriate, but this idea that it can replace opiates is seriously misguided, and reflects badly on the whole campaign IMO.

this thread is an interesting example of how emotive journalism is able to shape some people's opinions in whichever way they please.
not everybody is equipped with good critical analysis skills, but the suggestion that the company may profit from this move does not necessarily sum up the whole issue - even if it is true.

why the hell should kids be denied adequate pain relief when necessary?!
that is the only issue here, every side argument is a distraction.
 
jesus dude, im not saying its an end-all be all replacement for opiates. im saying I prefer marijuana to opiates for chronic pain, which ive personally experienced. we have a free society where corporations and individuals have the ability to choose alternatives (not a dichotomous view which youre labeling mine as). i have plenty of substantial reasons for my opinion. how you view it is yours. and in my eyes, youre submitting to the mob mentality of criticizing my view. congratulations.
 
@ Trees...yah, it's cool man! (pseudo-academic) debates are just that, it's a debate over drug licensing, it ain't personal. But, no I'm not a lawyer. I'm in the service, and am studying part-time atm.

@spacejunk: exactly: Purdue making billions is a huge non sequitur to the question of if oxycontin is suitable for peds. As far sa I can tell by taking a rational look at it, it seems it would be. And yes, big pharma vs cannabis is also fallacious. I am pretty sure that big pharma would love to be selling standardized, controlled growing conditions, etc cannabis.

@qwe I agree, cannabis should be available on a regular Rx sheet from a Dr's office with no special gubmint card or exemption required. As should oxy.
 
this is fuckin stupid. they lost so many clients with the switch from OCs to OPs that they're trying to give their drugs out to fucking toddlers? that's just fucking pathetic, god damn america is so fucked up.
 
PoppyLlama said:
this is fuckin stupid. they lost so many clients with the switch from OCs to OPs that they're trying to give their drugs out to fucking toddlers? that's just fucking pathetic, god damn america is so fucked up.
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no you dont understand. Purdue has a patent that will expire so they are racing the clock in order to make as much money as possible so they can do research and development on the next drug they wish the FDA to approve. Now im no fan of big pharma but this is just business. Purdue is not trying to get kids addicted there product thre just trying to maximize there profits. Dont hate purdue hate thd=e FDA they created this fucked up system that big pharma has to operate in.
 
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