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Theoretically possible to taper benzos without pain and tears?
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d3Xo-fan
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I don't follow... Please be serious. Do you think I'm dependant on alprazolam or not?
And if you NeighborhoodThreat has more input then I'd love to hear it because it looked to me like maybe you had an idea of what might be going on. I also know Kokaino is regarded as an expert on benzos so naturally his input would also be greatly appreciated. But of course you are all welcome to share your theories/experiences/whatever.
And by looking at NeighborhoodThreat's very accurate table you can surmise that I've ingested 6mg alprazolam
And if you NeighborhoodThreat has more input then I'd love to hear it because it looked to me like maybe you had an idea of what might be going on. I also know Kokaino is regarded as an expert on benzos so naturally his input would also be greatly appreciated. But of course you are all welcome to share your theories/experiences/whatever.
And by looking at NeighborhoodThreat's very accurate table you can surmise that I've ingested 6mg alprazolam
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pally pete
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NOBODY is more an expert on any particular drug than the user themselves. Irrelivant to what you may believe about kokaino.I don't follow... Please be serious. Do you think I'm dependant on alprazolam or not?
And if you NeighborhoodThreat has more input then I'd love to hear it because it looked to me like maybe you had an idea of what might be going on. I also know Kokaino is regarded as an expert on benzos so naturally his input would also be greatly appreciated. But of course you are all welcome to share your theories/experiences/whatever.
And by looking at NeighborhoodThreat's very accurate table you can surmise that I've ingested 6mg alprazolam
They are the only ones who know there body better than anybody else, anyone can come on here and spout a load of scientific jargon all they want and be considered an expert.
Personally i believe the Benzo withdrawal syndrome is vastly overrated on the internet, im not doubting people do die and people do have convulsions etc yet you get many people on here talking as if missing one days worth of your benzo dose as being suicidal!
I binge on hundreds, sometimes thousands of milligrams worth of Diazepam over the course of a day or two and then i may go anywhere between a few days - two months without using ANY benzos.
Im not suggesting this is sensible behaviour, and im not suggesting you should follow my behaviour (as i dont doubt it is risky and i have been extremely lucky) Ive suffered just the expected - Rebound Anxiety, Insomnia, Auditory hallucinations, closed eye visuals, twitches and tremors, morbid thoughts/feelings of impending doom (Graphic images of friends/family being killed in horrific accidents) which on top of suffering life crippling Anxiety/Depression have disturbed me to the point il probably never be the same person again but they have not killed me.
Many benzo users on the internet love to scaremonger with regards to withdrawals.
d3Xo-fan
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What I meant was since Kokaino (not saying he's the best or the only one who knows what he's talking about, I've just heard he knows a lot about benzos. Yours or anyone elses input is appreciated just as much as Kokaino's) knows a lot about benzos he could perhaps give me some insight on whether or not I'm dependent on benzos. You are of course right about the 'you know your own body the best'-thing, but since I have no clue as to whether I'm dependent or not I'd like for someone to try to assess the likelihood of me being dependent on benzos, and I think NeighborhoodThreat's table of my use would go a long way to help them make an assessment of my situation, which I of course don't expect to be completely accurate. All I'm asking for is some insight. Really, that's all
But to give you some more information, I may be suffering from mild anxiety and perhaps also depression on the days I don't take my alprazolam, but no physically discomfort whatsoever, and if I just stay inside my apartment or hang out with friends there's anxiety or depression either - and I'm not even sure the anxiety stems from not taking my alprazolam. I live in a somewhat unpleasant neighborhood.
But to give you some more information, I may be suffering from mild anxiety and perhaps also depression on the days I don't take my alprazolam, but no physically discomfort whatsoever, and if I just stay inside my apartment or hang out with friends there's anxiety or depression either - and I'm not even sure the anxiety stems from not taking my alprazolam. I live in a somewhat unpleasant neighborhood.
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We can't look inside your brain and examine your GABA receptors, different people react differently both mentally and physically to chemicals, there are general rules which can be applied but there are always different shades and total exceptions.
I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, if you want to come off the Benzos you should taper off them under the supervision of a doctor, really it's irrelevant if you are physically addicted or not, the risks and pain associated with suddenly stopping just don't make it a sensible option.
I'm really at a loss as to why the medical profession, particularly in the US continue to prescribe benzos for long term use, it's quite clear they aren't fit for purpose for anything other than short term use.
We can't look inside your brain and examine your GABA receptors, different people react differently both mentally and physically to chemicals, there are general rules which can be applied but there are always different shades and total exceptions.
I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, if you want to come off the Benzos you should taper off them under the supervision of a doctor, really it's irrelevant if you are physically addicted or not, the risks and pain associated with suddenly stopping just don't make it a sensible option.
I'm really at a loss as to why the medical profession, particularly in the US continue to prescribe benzos for long term use, it's quite clear they aren't fit for purpose for anything other than short term use.
I have to disagree at least in some cases. I've been on Valium for over a year with no increase in dose. I use it as needed and never take more than is prescribed. For me though it no longer has a sedating effect it still does marvels at keeping my anxiety in check. Then again everyone has different brain chemistry and I may well be in the minority.
I think the main point of successful long term use though is never abusing it. Even a few binges can greatly increase tolerance and ruin the intended effects.
I think the main point of successful long term use though is never abusing it. Even a few binges can greatly increase tolerance and ruin the intended effects.
Hi bronson,
We are drifting off topic a little and I shall likely be thoroughly chastised for doing so (sorry guys
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Apologies if my statement came over a little polorised I have no doubt of the relief from anxiety benzos can bring, I've used them myself, unfortunately not with your level of self control.
However the effect is very much a sticking plaster which merely masks the underlying issues of anxiety, it seems a crude and lazy way of treating the disorder to me. Some people may use them sensibly and utilise the breathing space they provide to improve their situation and address some of their underlying issues, but many will not.
They have been around so long now and prescribed so heavily that the medical profession are fully aware of the high chances of dependence, tolerance and side effects as well as the possibility of long term cognitive impairment. The risk profile against the possible benefits in long term use just don't stack up for me and I do think it is irresponsible for them to be prescribed for long term use.
Its very interesting to communicate with people in the US as the UK has pretty much stopped prescribing them for long term use so there is a cultural gap in the approach taken form one side of the pond to the other, that's not to say I think our medical profession are better or worse than in the US I would not be able to judge, I'm not a medical professional in any way.
Thank you for adding some balance to the thread
We are drifting off topic a little and I shall likely be thoroughly chastised for doing so (sorry guys
) Apologies if my statement came over a little polorised I have no doubt of the relief from anxiety benzos can bring, I've used them myself, unfortunately not with your level of self control.
However the effect is very much a sticking plaster which merely masks the underlying issues of anxiety, it seems a crude and lazy way of treating the disorder to me. Some people may use them sensibly and utilise the breathing space they provide to improve their situation and address some of their underlying issues, but many will not.
They have been around so long now and prescribed so heavily that the medical profession are fully aware of the high chances of dependence, tolerance and side effects as well as the possibility of long term cognitive impairment. The risk profile against the possible benefits in long term use just don't stack up for me and I do think it is irresponsible for them to be prescribed for long term use.
Its very interesting to communicate with people in the US as the UK has pretty much stopped prescribing them for long term use so there is a cultural gap in the approach taken form one side of the pond to the other, that's not to say I think our medical profession are better or worse than in the US I would not be able to judge, I'm not a medical professional in any way.
Thank you for adding some balance to the thread
phatass
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Hi bronson,
We are drifting off topic a little and I shall likely be thoroughly chastised for doing so (sorry guys
Apologies if my statement came over a little polorised I have no doubt of the relief from anxiety benzos can bring, I've used them myself, unfortunately not with your level of self control.
However the effect is very much a sticking plaster which merely masks the underlying issues of anxiety, it seems a crude and lazy way of treating the disorder to me. Some people may use them sensibly and utilise the breathing space they provide to improve their situation and address some of their underlying issues, but many will not.
They have been around so long now and prescribed so heavily that the medical profession are fully aware of the high chances of dependence, tolerance and side effects as well as the possibility of long term cognitive impairment. The risk profile against the possible benefits in long term use just don't stack up for me and I do think it is irresponsible for them to be prescribed for long term use.
Its very interesting to communicate with people in the US as the UK has pretty much stopped prescribing them for long term use so there is a cultural gap in the approach taken form one side of the pond to the other, that's not to say I think our medical profession are better or worse than in the US I would not be able to judge, I'm not a medical professional in any way.
Thank you for adding some balance to the thread
No hard feelings at all, discussion is key to better understanding things.
I was also not aware of this general policy in the UK. Does it seem to apply even to people that have already been on them long term successfully?