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The Benzodiazepine Thread v. IV

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indybreaker said:
like i said, i havent had all of them myself. 20mg for a trip? i didnt get that at all, just groggy feeling, slow talk etc. thanks for the concern tho , im not taking it anymore- have no desire to :) . just a bummer i cant get any benzos instead.
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yeah my old man took 20mg and layed out on the couch while i was watching tv n started breathing really funny woke up shot up asked if he had taken a drug n i said yeah stillnox n he had nooo idea what stillnox was after a while he calmed down n he said it was like a scary dmt trip that lasted for everrrrr! i've woken up not knowing where i was how i got there or what was going on with full blown open eye visuals for about a min.after my dad told the doctor this she switched him to clonazapam (scoreeeee!!!)

if you do take stillnox again make sure you dont have any stimuli going like a tv or a light on in the room thats when bad trips tend to happen.....pretty sure stillnox was the drug that was making people freak out in the US and sleep walk and kill themselfs
 
junkie skumbag said:
yeah my old man took 20mg and layed out on the couch while i was watching tv n started breathing really funny woke up shot up asked if he had taken a drug n i said yeah stillnox n he had nooo idea what stillnox was after a while he calmed down n he said it was like a scary dmt trip that lasted for everrrrr! i've woken up not knowing where i was how i got there or what was going on with full blown open eye visuals for about a min.after my dad told the doctor this she switched him to clonazapam (scoreeeee!!!)

if you do take stillnox again make sure you dont have any stimuli going like a tv or a light on in the room thats when bad trips tend to happen.....pretty sure stillnox was the drug that was making people freak out in the US and sleep walk and kill themselfs
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full on , yeah ive never experienced any crazy sleepwalking or anything , just a bit of a nod and not remembering shit, and ive had up to 7 or 8 in 1 night. fucking annoying how they only come in 14 tablet packets aswell. talk about clonaz score, thats exactly what I want to happen, im sick of stilnox and am hoping for clonazapam.
 
I've always just put scripts for stilnox in the bin for fear of crazy reactions but earlier in the year I did fill a script for zopiclone. I think it has similar potential to cause sleepwalking, hallucinations and delirium I havent used it yet it will probably just sit in my cupboard until it expires. A friend who used some said they were quite useful for sleep though...
 
justsayknow said:
I've always just put scripts for stilnox in the bin for fear of crazy reactions but earlier in the year I did fill a script for zopiclone. I think it has similar potential to cause sleepwalking, hallucinations and delirium I havent used it yet it will probably just sit in my cupboard until it expires. A friend who used some said they were quite useful for sleep though...
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ewwwwwwwww zipiclone!!! i've had that and it is nasssssty i didnt get any visuals or any scary feelings but i got this god awful metallic taste in my mouth that lasted 3 days it would make me gag when i when i had a bong or a ciggie!! i would rather much down a whole packet of stillnox than take another zipiclone!
 
I actually got a couple zopiclone off a mate the other day, I have used it once before (one 7.5mg tablet) and I did get the metallic taste but it was bearable and when I woke up the next day it had gone completely. It feels very similar to stilnox/zolpidem to me but seems to lack the trippy effects, although to be fair I have used stilnox quite a few times at varying doses and a higher zopiclone dose may well of induced visual distortions.

Honestly, I don't think 'z drugs' are great for recreation at all, but for me personally both zopiclone and zolpidem are amazing sleep aids. There is no other drug that I can think of that puts me to sleep that easily and leaves me feeling that refreshed when I get up in the morning, I have never had residual groggyness the next day from either of them which is more than I can say for the vast majority of sleep aids. The metallic taste from zopiclone definately isn't desirable but if one is using it for sleep then they shouldn't have to put up with it for long at all.
 
indybreaker said:
full on , yeah ive never experienced any crazy sleepwalking or anything , just a bit of a nod and not remembering shit, and ive had up to 7 or 8 in 1 night. fucking annoying how they only come in 14 tablet packets aswell. talk about clonaz score, thats exactly what I want to happen, im sick of stilnox and am hoping for clonazapam.
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100 2mg clonaz thank you very much =D and i happen to know where my dad TRYS to hide he drugs for me :p hell i rekon i would make a good customs officer can find drugs anywhere and no matter how many times you hide em :p
 
i'd personally stick with valium. it's up to you though if you have the say, have your cake and eat it too:D

almost 7 months clean of the brain fog that valium provided me. falling down a flight of stairs and accompanying diminished brain and memory function have kind of set the bar for me to jump off for good :|
 
drug_mentor said:
I actually got a couple zopiclone off a mate the other day, I have used it once before (one 7.5mg tablet) and I did get the metallic taste but it was bearable and when I woke up the next day it had gone completely. It feels very similar to stilnox/zolpidem to me but seems to lack the trippy effects, although to be fair I have used stilnox quite a few times at varying doses and a higher zopiclone dose may well of induced visual distortions.

Honestly, I don't think 'z drugs' are great for recreation at all, but for me personally both zopiclone and zolpidem are amazing sleep aids. There is no other drug that I can think of that puts me to sleep that easily and leaves me feeling that refreshed when I get up in the morning, I have never had residual groggyness the next day from either of them which is more than I can say for the vast majority of sleep aids. The metallic taste from zopiclone definately isn't desirable but if one is using it for sleep then they shouldn't have to put up with it for long at all.
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my rank taste lasted for 3 days and took that n went right to bed :\
 
I never really found stilnox useful for sleep. I did used to find it particularly fun to throw in on top of a candy flip however for the complete mental and visual retardation that accompanied it.
 
Sustanon said:
Sure, I wrote this in the other thread called "What do I do"

Firstly u need to set out a career goal. Thats what I did. Im going to uni soon so I can live my dream Do plenty of exercise, cardio and weights. What really helped me so sooo much is this 1 hour stretching program I have that u can do it at home, Ill give u a link where to download it. Every time I do it I feel so relaxed and anxiety free with no worries in the world and I feel great. Just as relaxed as taking a bar or 2.
My tolerance was through the roof as well taking 5-6 bars / night at one stage
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. Always used to love getting wobbly on my feet from half bar with no tolerance but that doesnt last forever and nothing will. Yoga and meditation is awesome too. Works wonders. All I thought about everyday was how Im looking forward to getting home so I can just get high but now days I look forward to doing other things that I mentioned. There are other ways to get rid of anxiety apart from drugs but like I said it will take time. I had anxiety to the point where id get it when I was having lunch, was so hungry but my appetite went and had to force myself to eat, im not going to even bring up sleeping issues as they are horrible too.
Go out more, socialize with friends, all I did was lie to my friends saying I was busy just to avoid social situations and to get high. A girlfriend helps too to take ur mind off things. Drinking chamomile or green tea is cool too sitting in a bath tub full of bubble bath (Hot water relaxes ur muscles) used to do it alot when I had a major opiate addiction (Hydromorphone, oxys, morphine etc) All these little things can make a huuuge difference. Thats all I can think of at the moment but will def add more to it if I do remember more. Massages also helps to.
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I highlighted certain things in your post that clicked with me...... Here's how my problems with xanax started and now I have to stop - regardless of panic attacks:
Since my mother died 3 1/2 yrs ago (and we were not on good terms at first - but made ammends over the phone before she died). Okay let me start at the beginning. We were on bad terms so I moved several states away. Right before that happened my family had been causing me a lot of problems, my husband went to the pen (chose the wrong man I know), so I was dealing with the loss of him being around too. I really had a meltdown. Left the state. Then found out mom was dying.... but before that happened a doc put me on a very high dose of Xanax. "2mg 3 x daily. A big combination for addiction - to feel numb. I came back to this town and my father put me on the street - literally! At 42yrs of age and never had to live on the street it was horrible - but I made it to get my xanax every month! (Of course). To this day 3 1/2 yrs later I am not allowed in my mothers room. I went to what I thought was a rehab center but it was a psych ward and they took me off the xanax cold turkey. I was with a great group of ppl and that made withdrawals not as bad. Here I am - middle aged, overweight from antidepressants given b4 the xanax was given to me and now I realize I have quite a tolerance to xanax - I can't seem to taper - I end up taking more because of heightened anxiety. I've gone cold turkey and never panicked but it's very miserable sounds, light changes, etc. It helps to have pain meds - helps stop my legs from jerking. I know I still will have SEVERE panic attacks. I don't have social phobia - being around ppl helps me. It's being alone too much - limited gas and money to go places I don't really have any friends, live in a small texas town, very cliquey, too. No money to go out and do things. Only job I could get is fast food and I have foot problems - standing or walking a lot causes foot pain. I'm on SSI - so not much of an income. I read something a doc wrote about xanax...... not enough gaba in the brain - very informational..... but no solution on how to fix it, given severe panics attacks. I rely on my dad a lot and he does me. Needs rides here and there in 104 degree weather! Premenopausal - so hot flashes to boot. I need to lower my tolerance to the xanax but don't see cutting them out as I still have severe panic attacks and some I think are related to my fathers verbal abuse and yelling at me. I've had bad experiences with therapy stirring up my ****........ yes, my dad did something to me when I was little that falls under molestation......... hard to be around him. In this town if you don't have a high position you can't even join the local theater as a stage hand! I know I have severe depression. And was diagnosed ptsd. Is there anyone who can relate to my problems? I also read taking vitamin C helps a lot during WDs'. And can someone tell me what drinking grapefruit juice with the xanax is for or does? Does it intesnify the affect so I can actually take a lower does?
 
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Zopiclone can be fun but really dangerous aswell, I have a panic disorder but not so much anymore only triggered by certain things like smoking bongs everyday i quit because of the aniexty and panic disorder, but that was 4 years ago and it stuck with me triggering at different times, like the death of my dad last year so i was on valium, murelax and beta blockers, but i threw away the benzos cos realistically there no good for you.

But I do still enjoy them rec when ever I get them, like if I have any left over from a recent trigger like 8 months ago I went on a plane and I got vertigo, bang panic attacks were back had to quit my apprenticeship but all is well now.

I recently got stocked up with a fuck load of shit for my 18 flights across the world on a holiday, 40 zopiclones, 30 temaz, 10 xanax and some Phernergan I think its called but the phernergan isnt a benzo its a motion sickness but good to knock you out.

Since Ive had problems with benzos putting me down in the past I had a month to trial all these things.


Xanax worked a treat and I used once one night to get to sleep and it worked, so saved them for the long 14 hour flights to LA and Europe.


Zopiclones worked but that metallic taste is unbearable plus the whole Hungover, Amnesia effect so I already knew I wasnt going to use them but they were addictive and I mashed through 10 of them in a week at one point I took 1, then took another and it was just a blur of my night but i noticed if you take 1 then take another it doesnt really effect you.
So i took 2, within 7 minutes I had the taste, within 15 minutes I was off my face on my computer listening to music and found a cool effect to enjoy these.

When you on them close your eyes and lightly push your eyes with your fingers and the visuals you get is pretty fucked up haha and I had a iphone 4 flash light thing in my eyes aswell and yeah you get a real smacked out buzz off them, but then the after effects are so crap.

Then one night i took too many dont remember a thing and crashed my car, so i flushed them down the toilet and wont be seeing them again.

But if you genuinely do have insomnia they are quite good, my mate has insomnia and is prescribed these.

Temaz doesnt effect me unless i take like 4-5 of the cunts so, i flushed them away too.

Phernergan worked if I took 3, but the doctor said that was normal.
 
^Thats the same reason I usually get benzo's to sleep on the plane, or at least to feel a bit more comfortable and pretend I'm asleep. I have never taken any of the zdrugs for fear of getting up to some crazy parasomnia activity in a plane full of people. I'm not entirely sure its that responsible for doctors to prescribe them for that purpose- they've done it to me at least three times now, the first two times I just chucked the script in the bin but since then I have explained that I would prefer something else.
 
^ exactly why i got rid of them after the bad trial aha, people could think your a threat to airport security doing who knows what.
 
Ugh I hated Zopiclone,I didn't find it particularly useful for sleep,but I had a high benzo tolerance then,so that may be why.It was the disgusting metallic taste that I could not get rid of for two days after taking just one of them that was a dealbreaker for me.
 
@Marlena I've had a xanax addiction in the past and it's a fucking nightmare to kick,so I feel for you.

Grapefruit juice is supposed to potentiate xanax so you get more bang for your buck,but reports on this method are mixed.

I too was cut off xanax cold turkey at 6mg a day and had the jerking legs you mentioned.The doctor I saw to help me get off the xanax said that sounded like a mild seizure,and anyone who takes you off xanax (ESPECIALLY a high dose) is an idiot as there is a very real chance you could have a seizure.My panic attacks and withdrawals were so bad being cold turkey,I attempted suicide (I also have major depression) so don't let it get to the point where you run out completely.

What my addiction specialist doc did, was put me on a dose of valium that was similar to the dose of xanax I'd been on,that being 15 x 5 mg valium a day.Because valium has such a long half life,and I was taking doses spaced out through the day,I felt calm enough to handle things.I was then tapered off very slowly and carefully over about 4 months until I only need about 2-3 valiums a day or as needed.Could you discuss this method with your doctor?Or perhaps substitute Klonopin as it still has the strength of Xanax but has a longer half life?

Also check out the Ashton method of withdrawal from benzos here http://www.benzo.org.uk/ it's a very popular choice.Hope I've been of some help <3
 
I took zopiclone for the second time last night, the metallic dtaste wasn't so bad and was gone when I woke up. It didn't knock me out quite as well as I rememberred though, I only took 7.5mg (same dose as last time, which was probably over a year ago) but also had a few drinks and a fat joint and it took longer than I expected to get to sleep. Once I got to sleep though I was out till my alarm went off and I woke up feeling great. If I used it again I would probably take 1.5-2 7.5mg tablets but I do have a tolerance to sedatives.
 
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Yeah I only took 7.5 mg of zopiclone when I used it too,and it took me ages to fall asleep.Once I fell asleep though,I was out and woke up refreshed except for the nasty taste.If you have a high sedative/benzo tolly,it'll probably take more than one to be effective in my opinion.YMMV
 
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