StretchOutAndWait
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Returning to the subject of the thread, the above seems interesting in light of this warning from Scottish police:
http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk/2012/06/12/police-warn-of-pma-drug-dangers-87085-31160502/
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Returning to the subject of the thread, the above seems interesting in light of this warning from Scottish police:
http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk/2012/06/12/police-warn-of-pma-drug-dangers-87085-31160502/
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In principle I do not believe any drugs should be illegal, I'm choosing my words carefully as I believe the whole system needs sorting out, I do not support the idea of making all drugs fully legal overnight, I think that would be a disaster, like you say "regulation" of some description is required and we had experts looking and working on this but they got the sack as I remember.
It's always going to be a question of damage limitation but I truly believe that decriminalisation and well considered regulation would not only provide the freedom of choice we have a right to but would lessen the overall damage to society that we currently suffer through prohibition.
In principle I do not believe any drugs should be illegal, I'm choosing my words carefully as I believe the whole system needs sorting out, I do not support the idea of making all drugs fully legal overnight, I think that would be a disaster, like you say "regulation" of some description is required and we had experts looking and working on this but they got the sack as I remember.
It's always going to be a question of damage limitation but I truly believe that decriminalisation and well considered regulation would not only provide the freedom of choice we have a right to but would lessen the overall damage to society that we currently suffer through prohibition.
they though you were selling legal drugs and went to the extent of raiding your house?
This.
Pretty sure I've pontificated at length on several occasions on the matter but that pretty much sums up my view in a considerably more succinct stylee.
The fact that recent introduction of various levels of decriminalisation and/or full legalisation of some, several or all drugs in a surprisingly large and varied number of countries has gone so smoothly and had such impressive success on every front already is actually surprising me as much as anyone else. I honestly thought it would take said lengthy time periods to show any positive effect but has surpassed even my lofty idealisations
Nearer the official topic: PMA would obviously also be legalised under such schemes. This would be very good news for HR cos everybody would know that they had a choice between buying cheap, legal, pure MDMA pills with a known dose every time, or they could opt to buy more expensive, illegal, impure pills that may or may not have MDMA (and/or anything else good or bad chucked in for good measure) most likely at unknown doses. Wonder which most folks would opt for?
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trammies
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Fucker.
I've had countless conversations on this subject with mates and probably here in EADDLand before, as well, haha.
The current legislation is just beginning to get completely ridiculous, with the ever growing "legal highs" culture. Eventually some shitty legal will come out, hundreds of people will turn into zombies (MDPV?
) and the Government will literally shit houses. It's all just a statement of power keeping it the way it is. Look at the countries with decriminalisation. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves (in comparison to this wasteland, at least).EDIT: Exactly like Dan said, many years of proper education would benefit everyone to a far higher degree than the "prison sentences for all involved" approach.
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They sure did. I was shocked as I'd been able to import them for a year without any problem and didn't even know it was illegal, but I don't exactly keep up to date with these things.
Anyway, it gave me a new found respect for the police as they were so nice about it. Two females and one male (I think to minimise aggression). The women were really friendly and the man kept in the background and seemed like he felt bad about it and sorry for me. I think they are taught to act like that to avoid creating unneccessary trouble, and luckily it's nothing like American police.
They just thanked me for being co-operative then took all my allergy pills, paracetamols, etc. and came back with them the next night.
trammies
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Maybe they thought with the amount of legal substances you were importing you MAY be importing illegal substances?
Pretty sure police aren't "trained" to be kind. Is that not human nature? Haha.
Pretty sure police aren't "trained" to be kind. Is that not human nature? Haha.
There was your problem right there. If you were ordering and receiving these chemicals, unless it's wholesale, your best bet is to order domestically. I'd be paranoid as fuck if I was ordering chemicals internationally.
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Minus the first "be" i put on that previous sentence,
Same principle works with general health, food abuse... a lot of fat people around now, with not a clue about fitness and health, not enough education from a young age about food - in my opinion, binge eating addiction is as bad as drugs in terms of people getting addicted to it, the shitty sugar high or whatever the fuck these people get from it. the "buzz" obtained from over eating, etc. although i guess its possible to get addicted to anything
societys view on drugs is pathetic, people need to wake up, but i guess that aint possible when the media and gov force feeds bullshit into you, all this stupid hypocritical alcohol vs drugs crap. my parents gave me booze at the age of 14, yet get caught with cannabis at the age of 16 and get treated like a smackhead. what sort of madness is that. the older i get the more i realize how crazy it all is. they didnt know the diff between smack and cannabis, they didnt give a fuck, all drugs deemed "bad" because of the stupid law, and they way they got brought up, such poorly educated taboo of a subject bullshit
Same principle works with general health, food abuse... a lot of fat people around now, with not a clue about fitness and health, not enough education from a young age about food - in my opinion, binge eating addiction is as bad as drugs in terms of people getting addicted to it, the shitty sugar high or whatever the fuck these people get from it. the "buzz" obtained from over eating, etc. although i guess its possible to get addicted to anything
societys view on drugs is pathetic, people need to wake up, but i guess that aint possible when the media and gov force feeds bullshit into you, all this stupid hypocritical alcohol vs drugs crap. my parents gave me booze at the age of 14, yet get caught with cannabis at the age of 16 and get treated like a smackhead. what sort of madness is that. the older i get the more i realize how crazy it all is. they didnt know the diff between smack and cannabis, they didnt give a fuck, all drugs deemed "bad" because of the stupid law, and they way they got brought up, such poorly educated taboo of a subject bullshit
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knock
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Are you still arguing for prohibition though? Because nothing you've said supports that conclusion.
And while I'm here:
QFT.
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Wherabouts do you live when police officers can unilaterally decide to "be kind" and not prosecute you for illegally importing drugs, Ninae?!? Most plod that've busted me have been perfectly pleasant peeps... but they still prosecute me for any illegals they may find during the search. And although they have often expressed personal regret - and told me straight up they think prohibition causes more problems than it'll ever solve - they still arrest, charge, prosecute and give evidence to secure a conviction in court. You weren't kidding when you said you'd be somewhat fortunate :D
StretchOutAndWait
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The next night? Seriously? Which police force was this, if you don't mind me asking? None that I'm aware of are able to analyse such things themselves, and forensics takes weeks if you're lucky...
I am being prosecuted and have a courtcase coming up soon. Though I'm too scared to find out when it is as I'm not ready to face the reality of it and that could also easily end in disaster. I was just suprised they were so decent about it.
They first said they were just going to giveme a fine, then discovered I had already done something similar (importing opiates, which must be the most stupid thing I'd done, but again the police officer took sympathy on me and decided not to prosecute).
Also various other petty illegals I've gotten away with...so I feel my luck might be running out.
They first said they were just going to giveme a fine, then discovered I had already done something similar (importing opiates, which must be the most stupid thing I'd done, but again the police officer took sympathy on me and decided not to prosecute).
Also various other petty illegals I've gotten away with...so I feel my luck might be running out.
knock
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You're being very mysterious. You've got a story that you seem to want to tell but you're choosing just to hint at it and hide behind silly statements about how drugs should be illegal. We're human beings here. If you want to communicate with us, just go ahead and do it
You're being very mysterious. You've got a story that you seem to want to tell but you're choosing just to hint at it and hide behind silly statements about how drugs should be illegal. We're human beings here. If you want to communicate with us, just go ahead and do it
Wasn't really trying to be mysterious, just hadn't gotten around to it yet. And those problems with buying MXE, etc. are more local and won't really apply to everyone. But it's kind of hard to buy domestically when there are no one selling and ordering within the EU is always a risk, I think about 1/3 of shipments are opened, though they usually don't bother to prosecute for these type of drugs.
Anyway, I've obviously had some bad experiences as I'm trying to warn people about it. I'm just kind of the oppositeof paranoid and tend to err on the side of risk and mostly speaking to those who are the same way. I'm sure there are plenty who are very careful and always safe, and that is nice for them, but its not going to happen that way for everyone.
knock
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That really isn't what people are saying, you know. I take drugs. I am usually careful but I have been careless and I have almost killed myself. It was not the fault of drugs. Prohibition would not have prevented it.