Question about a "ghetto rig" Ayahuasca

[MagicalOrangutan]

I am surprised OP wants to try DMT first. I too would recommend LSD for a first psych, or at least mushrooms.

I liken DMT to other psychs the same way I would liken going from College basketball to the NBA. Probably not an adequate metaphor but the best I can do right now.

So the conventional wisdom about DMT being more powerful than other psychedelics is true? I thought that was just a myth put in place by teenagers with no experience in psychedelics.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

And I'm never going to get LSD-25 instead of a research chemical, nothing, or some other random bullshit chemical other than the (impossible to make) LSD-25 based on my online research so nevermind about that lol. At least, not in any quantities above 1 microgram for 100 bucks.

 

[blazR]

So the conventional wisdom about DMT being more powerful than other psychedelics is true? I thought that was just a myth put in place by teenagers with no experience in psychedelics.

I would say that, yes.. Definately!
Even though I only have 2 experiences with LSD and both were combinations with eiher 2c-b+mdma and 4-aco-dipt+mxe.

Before I tried smoking DMT recently, I have had a quite lot experience smoking 5-meo-dmt. When mastering the technique, it's very easy to break through IMO.

//blazR

 

[Ismene]

So the conventional wisdom about DMT being more powerful than other psychedelics is true?

Smoked DMT is probably more intense but oral DMT is just like any other drug - you can take a low dose and barely feel it. A high dose of LSD and mushrooms would blow low dose DMT out of the water.

A high dose oral DMT is very psychedelic tho - probably more psychedelic than any other drug. There's just something unique about it, it's as if the body was born to take it. The greatest body high and the most beautiful visuals imaginable. Once in a lifetime stuff.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Smoked DMT is probably more intense but oral DMT is just like any other drug - you can take a low dose and barely feel it. A high dose of LSD and mushrooms would blow low dose DMT out of the water.

A high dose oral DMT is very psychedelic tho - probably more psychedelic than any other drug. There's just something unique about it, it's as if the body was born to take it. The greatest body high and the most beautiful visuals imaginable. Once in a lifetime stuff.

Very interesting. DMT is naturally found in the body anyways, so maybe the body is literally born to take it.

 

[Ismene]

It's definately brain food. If you can beleive a word Strassman says (which you probably can't) it's one of the few molecules that the brain actively transports across the brain/blood barrier or some bullshit like that.

 

[blazR]

Very interesting. DMT is naturally found in the body anyways, so maybe the body is literally born to take it.

I'm quite sure there is a meaning..! Wether it's because it's a traceamine neurotransmitter, are released upon birth and death, or both...? Maybe even an entirely other mechanism.

//blazR

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

It's definately brain food. If you can beleive a word Strassman says (which you probably can't) it's one of the few molecules that the brain actively transports across the brain/blood barrier or some bullshit like that.

hm. I again have yet to try it (I will in a few days though), but how does one's mind behave the next day, or coming down from the trip?

 

[blazR]

hm. I again have yet to try it (I will in a few days though), but how does one's mind behave the next day, or coming down from the trip?

I was just kinda stunned the day after, but nothing too difficult. You should probably plan for a day or 2 free after the trip, just in case..
Still, 1 month after, I am thinking about that experience.
//blazR

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

I was just kinda stunned the day after, but nothing too difficult. You should probably plan for a day or 2 free after the trip, just in case..
Still, 1 month after, I am thinking about that experience.
//blazR

Well damn, what was it "like", so to speak?

 

[blazR]

Like dying, several times. Experiencing the Big Bang, which will again happen at some point

We're all just "examples" if you can say it so, everything is. Differencies.. Universe, Earth, Life, us(the humans) - everything is an coincidence so to speak. Nothing matters really, yet it does! Epiphanies and revelations...

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Like dying, several times. Experiencing the Big Bang, which will again happen at some point

We're all just "examples" if you can say it so, everything is. Differencies.. Universe, Earth, Life, us(the humans) - everything is an coincidence so to speak. Nothing matters really, yet it does! Epiphanies and revelations...

Was this from a brew or smoking? And how much? hmm

 

[blazR]

Straight to base extraction, MHRB + naphta + NaOH = DMT freebase.
ROA: smoked
Dose: Propably 50mg first try, 30-40 the next 4-6 times - didn't wan't such extreme experiences as the first time, but I'm considdering smoking an even larger dose.
It actually seems like every repeat is a direct infusion to the first trip, yet it's different. And I am kind of scared, which i think I have come to realize is irrational fear..

Edit: I have tried ayahuasca once 3 or 4 years ago. MHRB & P. Harmala cooked with lemon for hours, doen't remember dose or how long it boiled.
The "trip" started with me getting very tired/dizzy so i lay down, the trip begun but i barely remember it. The one thing I DO remember, was waking up vomitting and being carried out in the bathroomcabin asking for my cats health

I have a plan on converting DMT freebase into a salt for taking pharmahuasca though..

//blazR

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Straight to base extraction, MHRB + naphta + NaOH = DMT freebase.
ROA: smoked
Dose: Propably 50mg first try, 30-40 the next 4-6 times - didn't wan't such extreme experiences as the first time, but I'm considdering smoking an even larger dose.
It actually seems like every repeat is a direct infusion to the first trip, yet it's different. And I am kind of scared, which i think I have come to realize is irrational fear..

Edit: I have tried ayahuasca once 3 or 4 years ago. MHRB & P. Harmala cooked with lemon for hours, doen't remember dose or how long it boiled.
The "trip" started with me getting very tired/dizzy so i lay down, the trip begun but i barely remember it. The one thing I DO remember, was waking up vomitting and being carried out in the bathroomcabin asking for my cats health

I have a plan on converting DMT freebase into a salt for taking pharmahuasca though..

//blazR

Wait, so you just added lye, naptha, and the bark together all at once? I'm not sure I'm interpreting that correctly. I do know the DMT extraction tek, however.

And based on that, you may have used way too much P Harmala, based on other research I've done..and I've also read that ginger root reduces or eliminates nausea, if you eat enough of it beforehand.

 

[blazR]

Wait, so you just added lye, naptha, and the bark together all at once? I'm not sure I'm interpreting that correctly. I do know the DMT extraction tek, however.

And based on that, you may have used way too much P Harmala, based on other research I've done..and I've also read that ginger root reduces or eliminates nausea, if you eat enough of it beforehand.

You first add the NaOH to water, then put in the MHRB. Then let it sit.. Then naphta will pull the freebased dmt inside itself and the 2 liquids will separate. Preferably you need a separatoryfunnel, but sure can be done without one.. I RECOMMEND A SEPARATORYFUNNEL :D

Have maybe had little too high dose of p.harmala on my ayahuasca journey, but try watch any documentary about ayahuasca were they actually take it. I have seen NONE who doesn't vommit(local indian shamanpeople excluded).

If you pull a crude(and it will be) water extraction to make ayahuasca, you will get all sorts of plantmaterial(oils, tannins etc.). Those things are hard for your stomach to consume and eventually it will come up again. I'm quite sure..

//blazR

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

You first add the NaOH to water, then put in the MHRB. Then let it sit.. Then naphta will pull the freebased dmt inside itself and the 2 liquids will separate. Preferably you need a separatoryfunnel, but sure can be done without one.. I RECOMMEND A SEPARATORYFUNNEL :D

Cool. Do you care to send me a private message explaining the precise details of it? This seems far more simple than any DMT extraction tek I've ever read.

Have maybe had little too high dose of p.harmala on my ayahuasca journey, but try watch any documentary about ayahuasca were they actually take it. I have seen NONE who doesn't vommit(local indian shamanpeople excluded).

If you pull a crude(and it will be) water extraction to make ayahuasca, you will get all sorts of plantmaterial(oils, tannins etc.). Those things are hard for your stomach to consume and eventually it will come up again. I'm quite sure..

My plan was to put the bark powder (I bought it in powder form) in a pot with boiling water and white vinegar for 2 hours, and also, some syrian rue in another pot also with the water and vinegar for 2 hours, then when done, but both those into 2 separate glass jars, via putting a funnel into the jars and putting a coffee filter in it to separate the good from the bad as much as possible. I wonder if that would help.

 

[blazR]

Cool. Do you care to send me a private message explaining the precise details of it? This seems far more simple than any DMT extraction tek I've ever read.

My plan was to put the bark powder (I bought it in powder form) in a pot with boiling water and white vinegar for 2 hours, and also, some syrian rue in another pot also with the water and vinegar for 2 hours, then when done, but both those into 2 separate glass jars, via putting a funnel into the jars and putting a coffee filter in it to separate the good from the bad as much as possible. I wonder if that would help.

Your plan sounds timeconsuming i can tell you. Filtering that material through funnel with coffiefilter(s) is a mess. You can try it go on, but it's not worth it really.
I have just tried extracting harmala alkaloids from p. harmala(wasn't a succes) and i used the funnel with coffiefilter method
Timeconsuming as hell, i tell you.

It wont help against nausea either i'm afraid.

Try reading these techniques(Those under STB): http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Category:Extraction_Tek#STB
If you send me a PM i'll be willing to ask your questions as far as my wisdom goes. I have had a lot of succes i would say and i'm no chemist 8(

 

[alteredstate8]

I wouldn't recommend drinking the boiled mhrb powder brew. No matter how much you drain it through a coffee filter, you will still throw up after 5-10 minutes. You won't be able to hold it before it takes effect. You can perform an extaction tek and then convert the freebase dmt to fumarate salt and take that in a pill with the maoi. Notheless dmt is certainly not a beginners psychedelic. There are much more forgiving psychedelics you could try to introduce you to psychedelics. Oral dmt is very similar to a shroom trip except much much more intense.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

I wouldn't recommend drinking the boiled mhrb powder brew. No matter how much you drain it through a coffee filter, you will still throw up after 5-10 minutes. You won't be able to hold it before it takes effect. You can perform an extaction tek and then convert the freebase dmt to fumarate salt and take that in a pill with the maoi. Notheless dmt is certainly not a beginners psychedelic. There are much more forgiving psychedelics you could try to introduce you to psychedelics. Oral dmt is very similar to a shroom trip except much much more intense.

Well apparently it's not the DMT making people sick since people do drink DMT brews and it does work; otherwise "oral DMT" would not be a phrase used by real people.

 

[Ismene]

^^

Yeah it's the DMT that makes you sick. Even if you use extracted DMT crystals you will vomit your guts up.