Benzos Things that temporarily increase Benzo Tolerance

[DaftPunkFan]

I'm currently tapering off Valium right now, down to a pretty low dose.
Just was wondering how much each of these would affect tolerance to benzos:

1. Alcohol - I don't really drink anymore because it usually makes me feel worse (which is probably a good thing), but let's say I have 3-4 drinks at night, can I take the same benzo dose the next day and be fine? Or if I'm feeling bad, is it because I've temporarily increased my tolerance, and need to take an extra 0.5mg or so?

2. Benzos - Obviously this would be directly affecting tolerance the most, and I don't take any more than my current dose. But just for the sake of knowing what would happen, let's say you have a terrible panic attack and have to use 0.25mg Xanax (5mg Valium), would this fuck up your taper the next day, or would you be ok to resume current benzo doses?

3. Caffeine - I don't drink caffeine anymore, but just curious because it seems that caffeine negates the effects of benzos, and benzos negate the effects of caffeine. Let's say after you crash from a few caffeinated drinks and feel really on edge, have you caused you're benzo tolerance to go up for that day?

I guess I'm just curious as to the extent that certain things could mess up someone's benzo tolerance, especially while tapering...
Any ideas are welcome :D

 

[PeacePipeChief]

I'm currently tapering off Valium right now, down to a pretty low dose.
Just was wondering how much each of these would affect tolerance to benzos:

1. Alcohol - I don't really drink anymore because it usually makes me feel worse (which is probably a good thing), but let's say I have 3-4 drinks at night, can I take the same benzo dose the next day and be fine? Or if I'm feeling bad, is it because I've temporarily increased my tolerance, and need to take an extra 0.5mg or so?

2. Benzos - Obviously this would be directly affecting tolerance the most, and I don't take any more than my current dose. But just for the sake of knowing what would happen, let's say you have a terrible panic attack and have to use 0.25mg Xanax (5mg Valium), would this fuck up your taper the next day, or would you be ok to resume current benzo doses?

3. Caffeine - I don't drink caffeine anymore, but just curious because it seems that caffeine negates the effects of benzos, and benzos negate the effects of caffeine. Let's say after you crash from a few caffeinated drinks and feel really on edge, have you caused you're benzo tolerance to go up for that day?

I guess I'm just curious as to the extent that certain things could mess up someone's benzo tolerance, especially while tapering...
Any ideas are welcome :D

1. - Alcohol : will not affect your dose the next day but will lead to issues if u drink on the dose , lowering of morals etc .

2. - Benzos : taking more benzos will increase tolerance , and taking .25 Xanax for a panic attack or for any other reason shouldn't affect it too badly , but I wouldn't advise it .

3. - Caffeine : I don't know about this one but im pretty sure it doesn't increase tolerance , Im guessing ur sweet to have a can of coke when on ur dose : p

It looks to me like ur looking for confirmation to take a higher dose one time , with no negative side effects .. You will cop it if u decide to get high , especially at the end of your taper , it's not worth it , if I read that wrong , my apologies . Hopefully someone more educated on this subject can ellaborate .

 

[tricomb]

Be aware that alprazolam (Xanax) is active at 125 micrograms.

 

[PeacePipeChief]

^ always love new little facts lol

 

[kokaino]

Alprazolam is not active at less than 0.25 mg.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

1. - Alcohol : will not affect your dose the next day but will lead to issues if u drink on the dose , lowering of morals etc .

2. - Benzos : taking more benzos will increase tolerance , and taking .25 Xanax for a panic attack or for any other reason shouldn't affect it too badly , but I wouldn't advise it .

3. - Caffeine : I don't know about this one but im pretty sure it doesn't increase tolerance , Im guessing ur sweet to have a can of coke when on ur dose : p

It looks to me like ur looking for confirmation to take a higher dose one time , with no negative side effects .. You will cop it if u decide to get high , especially at the end of your taper , it's not worth it , if I read that wrong , my apologies . Hopefully someone more educated on this subject can ellaborate .

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm asking
Not to get high though, I already know from years of benzo abuse that the high isn't worth it.
The most important one I want to know is #2, if I have a panic attack and absolutely HAVE to take some Xanax, how badly that would throw me off the next day (one-time dosing)
Thanks for the input!

 

[DaftPunkFan]

Be aware that alprazolam (Xanax) is active at 125 micrograms.

I think you helped me realize in another thread how strong even 0.25mg Xanax would be in my situation, thanks
I have 1mg pills though, so I don't know how accurately I could cut any smaller than quarters (0.25mg)
I suppose I could do liquid titration, but my example would be for immediate emergency use

 

[HaZeX]

Alprazolam is not active at less than 0.25 mg.

Quit wrong, As Tricomb stated it is active at 125mcg. 125mcg is given to elderly patients for an initial dose.

I think you helped me realize in another thread how strong even 0.25mg Xanax would be in my situation, thanks
I have 1mg pills though, so I don't know how accurately I could cut any smaller than quarters (0.25mg)
I suppose I could do liquid titration, but my example would be for immediate emergency use

I don't know if you have the footballs or the Mylan round tabs. If they are footballs with a sharp razor blade is it easy to cut a .5mg tab in half for a .25mg(250mcg)dose.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

I don't know if you have the footballs or the Mylan round tabs. If they are footballs with a sharp razor blade is it easy to cut a .5mg tab in half for a .25mg(250mcg)dose.

Yeah they're 1mg footballs, so I was saying if I accurately cut them into quarters I have 0.25mg doses.
Not sure how to go smaller than that

 

[kokaino]

Quit wrong, As Tricomb stated it is active at 125mcg. 125mcg is given to elderly patients for an initial dose.

Absolutely not. Alprazolam doesn't even come in 125 mcg strength. The lowest strength is 0.25 and that is what the elderly are started off on. Alprazolam has no appreciable activity at 0.125 mg. The only benzo with any effect at that low of a dose is triazolam. Brotizolam is also active at that dose. Alprazolam and clonazepam are not. Please don't dicksize alprazolam. If it were active at 125 mcg, there would be pills at that strength. It's hardly noticeable even to a benzo virgin at 0.25 mg, you expect anyone to get any appreciable effects from 0.125 mg?

 

[HaZeX]

Yeah they're 1mg footballs, so I was saying if I accurately cut them into quarters I have 0.25mg doses.
Not sure how to go smaller than that

You can't really, it would just crumble...theres no real point in going lower then .25



No one said it comes in 125mcg, 250mcg is of course the lowest and is usually what elderly people are started on if naive. Look for case studies, of course people are not going to be going and cutting and measuring a pill so they can be at 125mcg. The point is that it is infact active at 125mcg. Just because you don't feel it, doesn't mean it not working at some level. Get off your high horse.

 

[kokaino]

You can't really, it would just crumble...theres no real point in going lower then .25



No one said it comes in 125mcg, 250mcg is of course the lowest and is usually what elderly people are started on if naive. Look for case studies, of course people are not going to be going and cutting and measuring a pill so they can be at 125mcg. The point is that it is infact active at 125mcg. Just because you don't feel it, doesn't mean it not working at some level. Get off your high horse.

Yes, it's also "active" at 1 mcg if you go by your logic. Just because you can't feel it doesn't mean it's not working at "some level". See I can say that too at 1 mcg. The point is that alprazolam does not have any appreciable therapeutic activity at 125 mcg. Point blank. There is no high horse here, I'm just telling it like it is. Just like lorazepam doesn't have any appreciable activity at 0.25 mg or diazepam doesn't have any appreciable therapeutic effects at doses less than 2.5 mg.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

diazepam doesn't have any appreciable therapeutic effects at doses less than 2.5 mg.

I don't know about that, I take 1.5mg (1.5mL of 5mg/5mL liquid solution) diazepam twice a day, and although I'm tapering to get off this shit, I definitely feel it for a while.

Anyways... I don't really care to try and cut up Xanax smaller than 0.25mg, I'm just asking if I would be OK to take that much at my current Valium dose and not have it throw off my taper? Sounds like it's safe so far...

 

[HaZeX]

Yes, it's also "active" at 1 mcg if you go by your logic. Just because you can't feel it doesn't mean it's not working at "some level". See I can say that too at 1 mcg. The point is that alprazolam does not have any appreciable therapeutic activity at 125 mcg. Point blank. There is no high horse here, I'm just telling it like it is. Just like lorazepam doesn't have any appreciable activity at 0.25 mg or
diazepam doesn't have any appreciable therapeutic effects at doses less than 2.5 mg.

I think your having a hard time understanding what Active and inactive means. By my "logic" 1mcg would not be "active"....Alprazolam does have therapeutic activity at a 125mcg dose, again not in people who take it every day, nor young people. BUt people who are elderly and debilitated and are taking it for the first time. Ive read studies on elderly people getting dosed 125mcg of alprazolam. If it wasn't working at that dose why would they continue dosing it at that level? For fun? All you have to do it take a 250mcg tab and cut in half, and there's 125mcg.

I pretty sure Tricomb would know what Im talking about as he tons of knowledge about Benzos, if he has anything to say.

We need not to continue this further. As its not contributing the thread and I don't want to argue.

 

[kokaino]

I think your having a hard time understanding what Active and inactive means. By my "logic" 1mcg would not be "active"....Alprazolam does have therapeutic activity at a 125mcg dose, again not in people who take it every day, nor young people. BUt people who are elderly and debilitated and are taking it for the first time. Ive read studies on elderly people getting dosed 125mcg of alprazolam. If it wasn't working at that dose why would they continue dosing it at that level? For fun? All you have to do it take a 250mcg tab and cut in half, and there's 125mcg.

I pretty sure Tricomb would know what Im talking about as he tons of knowledge about Benzos, if he has anything to say.

We need not to continue this further. As its not contributing the thread and I don't want to argue.

I don't mean to sound arrogant but, I know benzos more than any other drug and certainly far more than tricomb (no offense to tricomb, but I know benzos on a far greater level than he does - chemically, therapeutically, and recreationally). I've not only been on benzos for more than 13 years (tricomb isn't even 22 years old), but I have read study after study after study on benzos. I can tell you right now that alprazolam DOES NOT have any appreciable effects at 125 mcg. I'm not saying its completely devoid of effects at that dosage, but it has no real therapeutic potential at that dose either. It's the simple truth. You can continue to believe what you want, that doesn't make you right because you aren't.

 

[tricomb]

Ahhhh, you guysssss. Can't we all just get a bong?

Tolerance is of course a factor, but alprazolam is active at 125mcg, I've felt anxiolysis at this dosage through the oral, sublingual, and intravenous routes (yes, I know, stupid to IV benzos even midazolam, but you do dumb shit when you're barred out), so I stand by my statements, and if kokaino didn't want to dicksize, then why he'd add "I've been taking benzos for more than 13 years and I know benzos on a far greater level than he does - chemically, therapeutically, and recreationally", or why he felt the need to post my age... is beyond me. IMO if we're gunna dicksize, let's measure our dicks, but don't piss on me and tell me it's rain. (haha I just wanted to use this figure of speech)

I honestly don't take any offense to it, although I also don't agree, but I don't care enough to argue who the benzodiazepine king is haha, I'm not at all proud of my decade long addiction to benzodiazepines, but I sure as hell know a lot more about these drugs than I am given credit for.

@daftpunk, you're going to be alright dosing 0.25mg of alprazolam according to my calculations with your taper, just don't go any higher than that, I recommend you sublingual it it's much more effective and I feel onset in 5-10 mins vs 15-20 orally. There are ways you could divide the .25mg into .125mg portions but if might not be worth the effort, and I think you'd be fine getting away with 250 micrograms.

Wish you the best of luck and cheers to a successful taper! I have nothing but good thoughts about your recovery, and if there's anything I can do, if you have any questions or whatever, feel free to PM me.

 

[tokenname]

Ahhhh, you guysssss. Can't we all just get a bong?

Tolerance is of course a factor, but alprazolam is active at 125mcg, I've felt anxiolysis at this dosage through the oral, sublingual, and intravenous routes (yes, I know, stupid to IV benzos even midazolam, but you do dumb shit when you're barred out), so I stand by my statements, and if kokaino didn't want to dicksize, then why he'd add "I've been taking benzos for more than 13 years and I know benzos on a far greater level than he does - chemically, therapeutically, and recreationally", or why he felt the need to post my age... is beyond me. IMO if we're gunna dicksize, let's measure our dicks, but don't piss on me and tell me it's rain. (haha I just wanted to use this figure of speech)

I honestly don't take any offense to it, although I also don't agree, but I don't care enough to argue who the benzodiazepine king is haha, I'm not at all proud of my decade long addiction to benzodiazepines, but I sure as hell know a lot more about these drugs than I am given credit for.

@daftpunk, you're going to be alright dosing 0.25mg of alprazolam according to my calculations with your taper, just don't go any higher than that, I recommend you sublingual it it's much more effective and I feel onset in 5-10 mins vs 15-20 orally. There are ways you could divide the .25mg into .125mg portions but if might not be worth the effort, and I think you'd be fine getting away with 250 micrograms.

Wish you the best of luck and cheers to a successful taper! I have nothing but good thoughts about your recovery, and if there's anything I can do, if you have any questions or whatever, feel free to PM me.

hmmmmm....lol
From what I've heard..you don't wanna dicksize with tricomb.....
just sayin.........

Absolutely, I agree w/sublingual as much as possible...if you're one of the ones who can stand it..it'll kick in and help much faster
Best of luck!

`token

 

[Mass08]

sorry for off topic but wow tricomb...you come off as a lot more mature than someone younger than 22. I'm 22 and I feel like your aged years beyond me in drug experience lol...don't know how much of a good thing is but hey knowledge is power.

 

[kokaino]

I think your having a hard time understanding what Active and inactive means. By my "logic" 1mcg would not be "active"....Alprazolam does have therapeutic activity at a 125mcg dose, again not in people who take it every day, nor young people. BUt people who are elderly and debilitated and are taking it for the first time. Ive read studies on elderly people getting dosed 125mcg of alprazolam. If it wasn't working at that dose why would they continue dosing it at that level? For fun? All you have to do it take a 250mcg tab and cut in half, and there's 125mcg.

I pretty sure Tricomb would know what Im talking about as he tons of knowledge about Benzos, if he has anything to say.

We need not to continue this further. As its not contributing the thread and I don't want to argue.

Look, the only person having a hard time understanding anything here is you. The FDA ALWAYS recommends the lowest effective dose, with alprazolam it is 250 mcg. If 125 mcg was any effective, the FDA would've had upjohn make 0.125 mg tablets and they would've been on the market. The reason they are not is because they do not produce any serious anxiety relief or sedation. But it doesn't and thus has no place in medical practice. Get it?

 

[junglebook]

I have a whole different concept/way of the way i take my medically pescribed benzos + etizolam like you guys actually stick to the script. I never stick to the script, that would fuck me up right up id end up with building a tolerance or a depedance well actually, no doubt. So even thought mine are medically perscribed i have that in mind lol honest but i kinda recreationaly bust through them, theres normally a few days here and there where ive got nothing which just helps me so fuckin much. Never had to taper of.

my bad you said increase im decreasing....*cough*