Sod the jubilee!

[Marmalade]

Well you say that your views on things change, but nothing we have ever discussed has resulted in you changing your viewpoint, and that is what I am basing my opinion on.

Then you write things like this:


Reading that back to yourself, do you honestly wonder where the comment about you perceiving yourself to be all seeing/all knowing and a more rounded character than anyone you are debating with, comes from? We have been over this countless times before and it's pointless. I have seen zero evidence that you are currently capable of or have recently changed your opinion on anything. If you really did chop and change your viewpoints as you claim I wouldn't be able to pick up a Guardian and accurately predict what your opinion on any given topic would be.

Furthermore, you are saying I am not in a position to say you never change your opinion and that you are entrenched. Yet you said the exact same thing to me, and to top it all off made some wild unfounded claim that you and everyone who agrees with you must have a much better self-awareness, as if someone couldn't possibly be looking at the same society and world and come to different conclusions.

erm, i don't continuously argue verbatim from thread to political thread (as you've just observed, basically) .. so you can't possibly garner the info you need to assess the information you need to come to your conclusions. i read a fuckton, and don't often post on issues ... mainly because i'm taking em in and contemplating. I just know when it's worth debating or not, based on understanding myself and the nature and ideology underpinning why we debate, and how open & receptive we are to other people's opinions. But I know you don't really inherently understand what i mean by that so that last sentence was made because i needed to make it. there, does that help you understand me?

The only positive thing I can possibly offer you and me here, is to ask you to look into A priori and a posteriori knowledge bases. and also ask you to see Jung in a slightly different manner ... that being, not as a way to justify our behaviours, but as a tool to use to interact better with others. ie: not as a method to blame one another, but as a mechanism to improve our individual selves and then by default improve our understanding of others [edit] and therefore our relationships with other people ... including those we're seemingly politically opposed with.

oh, and I still like you

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

You really believe that? Do you actually think that the stories about wee Harry etc that make it to the press haven't been allowed to make it to the press?

I'm not even sure what you are getting at? Then again expressing yourself beyond "that's pish" isn't exactly your strong point. When I inadvertently say something similar to SHM it's all fire and pitchforks, but when MM says something worse intentionally it's funny.

 

[Marmalade]

a coupla Christmases ago, i sent out a whole bunch of mini dvd/divx players out to a troupe of Royal Marines in Helmand, as an Xmas gift that I got help with some funding for. I was told [via a 'Bluey', in case anyone here knows what a Bluey is] that as a result of my parcels, a whole bunch of Gurkha's got addicted to watching Dexter, and that Prince Harry may have been given access to the couple of volumes of 'Big Butt Brazilian Orgy ' that I made a couple of copies of.

anyway, it made my christmas

[edit]
I also *hearted* being a custodian of sending wank material to thee troupes. relieves tension after a hard days dodging bullets n that ;p

[edit x 2]
war is bad, yo

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

erm, i don't continuously argue verbatim from thread to political thread (as you've just observed, basically) .. so you can't possibly garner the info you need to assess the information you need to come to your conclusions. i read a fuckton, and don't often post on issues ... mainly because i'm taking em in and contemplating. I just know when it's worth debating or not, based on understanding myself and the nature and ideology underpinning why we debate, and how open & receptive we are to other people's opinions. But I know you don't really inherently understand what i mean by that so that last sentence was made because i needed to make it. there, does that help you understand me?

The only positive thing I can possibly offer you and me here, is to ask you to look into A priori and a posteriori knowledge bases. and also ask you to see Jung in a slightly different manner ... that being, not as a way to justify our behaviours, but as a tool to use to interact better with others. ie: not as a method to blame one another, but as a mechanism to improve our individual selves and then by default improve our understanding of others [edit] and therefore our relationships with other people ... including those we're seemingly politically opposed with.

oh, and I still like you

So basically what you are saying is that having lived on several different estates, spoken to thousands of people from every walk of life, also reading a fuckton, means nothing until my viewpoint is inline with yours? My main motivation in debating on this particular site is not to change my opinion, because very few people on here actually put any thought into their opinions - they just go purely on a gut feeling of what is right and what is wrong. There is no logic. They cannot see the bigger picture. They see a hungry person and think "give him food". Whereas I see a hungry person and think "why doesn't he have food, and how can we solve the issue so we aren't feeding him forever". The only purpose in my putting any view point forward on here is to burst the ridiculous liberal circle jerking bubble. I don't even care about the majority of what I write. Certainly not enough to feel the ill will many on here feel towards me. These people are a clear example of why we never get anywhere with drug legalisation, because the people we fight against are just like them. Their knee jerk prohibition tendencies can't see beyond the simplistic thinking of "it's bad for you - ban it".

I still like you too, I just don't like these presumptions that you make of me, which I feel aren't substantiated. The only way to disprove your assertions that I am incapable of taking on other people's opinions is to actually agree with things that contradict my worldview which I have put at least as much effort as you have into creating and tweaking.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

a coupla Christmases ago, i sent out a whole bunch of mini dvd/divx players to a troupe of Royal Marines in Helmand, as an Xmas gift I got help with some funding for. I was told that as a result of my parcels, a whole bunch of Gurkha's got addicted to watching Dexter, and that Prince Harry may have been given access to the couple of volumes of 'Big Butt Brazilian Orgy ' that I made a couple of copies of.

anyway, it made my christmas

[edit]
I also *hearted* being a custodian of sending wank material for thee troupes. relieves tension after a hard days dodging bullets n that ;p

[edit x 2] war is bad, yo

Did you hear about the old man who has been sending thousands of DVDs out? (It might have even been you who showed it to me)

[edit] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/nyregion/at-92-movie-bootlegger-is-soldiers-hero.html?_r=1

 

[Marmalade]

So basically what you are saying is that having lived on several different estates, spoken to thousands of people from every walk of life, also reading a fuckton, means nothing until my viewpoint is inline with yours? My main motivation in debating on this particular site is not to change my opinion, because very few people on here actually put any thought into their opinions - they just go purely on a gut feeling of what is right and what is wrong. There is no logic. They cannot see the bigger picture. They see a hungry person and think "give him food". Whereas I see a hungry person and think "why doesn't he have food, and how can we solve the issue so we aren't feeding him forever". The only purpose in my putting any view point forward on here is to burst the ridiculous liberal circle jerking bubble. I don't even care about the majority of what I write. Certainly not enough to feel the ill will many on here feel towards me. These people are a clear example of why we never get anywhere with drug legalisation, because the people we fight against are just like them. Their knee jerk prohibition tendencies can't see beyond the simplistic thinking of "it's bad for you - ban it".

I still like you too, I just don't like these presumptions that you make of me, which I feel aren't substantiated. The only way to disprove your assertions that I am incapable of taking on other people's opinions is to actually agree with things that contradict my worldview which I have put at least as much effort as you have into creating and tweaking.

I didn't make any assumptions about you

I observed one thing, and that's that we don't often agree on topics in an area, and that mechanisms (that we're all prone to) were often at work when you debated. I observed that i didn't know the specifics of what the entrenched views were

I put forward nothing about the specifics or points you were trying to prove, because, I said i thought it was pointless to do so.

any other observations I made were about myself

hope this helps

 

[Marmalade]

Did you hear about the old man who has been sending thousands of DVDs out? (It might have even been you who showed it to me)

[edit] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/nyregion/at-92-movie-bootlegger-is-soldiers-hero.html?_r=1

nope, but I vaguely remember reading something about it, can't remember where tho

 

[Mailmonkey]

I put forward nothing about the specifics or points you were trying to prove, because, I said i thought it was pointless to do so.

This is the way forward.

hope this helps

helped me, ta.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I didn't make any assumptions about you

I observed one thing, and that's that we don't often agree on topics in an area, and that mechanisms (that we're all prone to) were often at work when you debated. I observed that i didn't know the specifics of what the entrenched views were

I put forward nothing about the specifics or points you were trying to prove, because, I said i thought it was pointless to do so.

any other observations I made were about myself

hope this helps

Well, ok. I'll take your word for it, but it really didn't read that way to me.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

This is the way forward.



helped me, ta.

I wasn't even putting forward any opinions in this thread before you dragged me into it you jerk off. If you want more valuable advice; Spend less time bickering on the internet with people in their early twenties, and more time raising your children so they don't turn into worthless cunts like you. Actually, scratch that. The less time they spend with you the better. I'm sure i'll get a letter from them thanking me when they're older.

 

[yoyo50]

Did you hear about the old man who has been sending thousands of DVDs out? (It might have even been you who showed it to me)

[edit] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/nyregion/at-92-movie-bootlegger-is-soldiers-hero.html?_r=1

WW1/2 soldier over any modern cunt

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

WW1/2 soldier over any modern cunt

They certainly went through more, didn't they.

 

[Marmalade]

Well, ok. I'll take your word for it, but it really didn't read that way to me.

cool, and cheers

and a question. genuine one, no hidden agenda.

generally, have you changed anything about how you approach me? or do you approach me the same as you always have?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

cool, and cheers

and a question. genuine one, no hidden agenda.

generally, have you changed anything about how you approach me? or do you approach me the same as you always have?

I put the slightest amount of effort to PC-ise my language, which i'm not particularly good at. But in general I don't change how I approach anyone. Almost everyone starts off with a clean slate every day, and i'm not good at disliking or judging anyone. My only major problem is with judgmental/intolerant/unaccepting types. My wife informs me that I can't hold a grudge unless someone seriously wrongs me, and even then I would probably end up forgiving them. I guess the main way I have changed my approach to you is not to bother, because neither of us understands the other particularly well. It's like how a cat and a dog can get along perfectly well, but they'll never understand each other.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I'm not even sure what you are getting at? Then again expressing yourself beyond "that's pish" isn't exactly your strong point. When I inadvertently say something similar to SHM it's all fire and pitchforks, but when MM says something worse intentionally it's funny.

I mean that Harry (& the rest) will get up to far, far worse than smoking the odd dooby than would ever make it to the press. Certain things will be allowed out, possibly deliberately, but not much. I bet some newspapers are sitting on all sorts of crazy stories about members of the royal family that they can't do anything with.

& I'm sorry, I did call him a horrible cunt or something similar at the same time but I did laugh just at the sheer bluntness of it. It was funny.

 

[yoyo50]

They certainly went through more, didn't they.

Yeah with 2 uncles and cousins fighting, its their choice, i think its a stupid one but

 

[Marmalade]

I put the slightest amount of effort to PC-ise my language, which i'm not particularly good at. But in general I don't change how I approach anyone. #

ok.

another question. again, genuine, no hidden agenda.

over the last month, X period of time etc, do you think we've gotten along better than we used to?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I mean that Harry (& the rest) will get up to far, far worse than smoking the odd dooby than would ever make it to the press. Certain things will be allowed out, possibly deliberately, but not much. I bet some newspapers are sitting on all sorts of crazy stories about members of the royal family that they can't do anything with.

& I'm sorry, I did call him a horrible cunt or something similar at the same time but I did laugh just at the sheer bluntness of it. It was funny.

The trouble with the conspiracy theories surrounding royal family cover ups, is that foreign press agencies would just break the story. Our press agencies do it all the time to other countries royal families, which does piss of their countries - like that Saudi prince who beat his boyfriend to death. They couldn't even hide the fact that Prince Harry was off fighting in Afghan, let alone explain why the Buckingham palace lawns are chocablocked with buried rent boys.

I don't really mind MM telling me to die, i've got thick skin and it's the internet. I probably deserve it. I am a conservative after all...

 

[Mailmonkey]

I didn't "tell [you] to die", i did say I wish you'd have died, but I clarified when you asked me, in post #109, that I didn't actually want you to die, I just wouldn't care one way or the other if you died. There's a difference.

But you keep on whining on about it, even though you are thick skinned and don't mind.

You don't deserve to die because you're a conservative, I wouldn't care if you died cos you're a twat. And I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

ok.

another question. again, genuine, no hidden agenda.

over the last month, X period of time etc, do you think we've gotten along better than we used to?

Yes definitely. No doubt if you hadn't have stopped getting as involved in anything political this probably wouldn't be the case. I don't particularly understand the animosity in debates on here. I don't take it personally when someone disagrees with my viewpoint, but people are very wed to them on here?!