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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]
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Sustanon
Bluelighter
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ad-The-long-awaited!/page39?highlight=Codeine
If ur keen on reading about my experiment I had done which is in the old codeine thread, see last post.
Results:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/621737-Codeine-amp-CWE-Megathread-Version-II-insert-witty-title
Kind of ticks me off that my experiment was cut off, one experiment in the old thread and one on the first page of this thread, see post #6
If ur keen on reading about my experiment I had done which is in the old codeine thread, see last post.
Results:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/621737-Codeine-amp-CWE-Megathread-Version-II-insert-witty-title
Kind of ticks me off that my experiment was cut off, one experiment in the old thread and one on the first page of this thread, see post #6
PeacePipeChief
Bluelighter
u should just repost them , the experiment and the results in one big post in here 
much more chance to be appreciated .
much more chance to be appreciated .
Sustanon
Bluelighter
We have discussed the T-shirt process thoroughly and in the next few days I will be doing a bit of research and calculations. Its really important which I havnt seen anyone mention is that one needs to use WARM water to dissolve the pills then GRADUALLY cooling the solution down until it is very cold.
Ibuprofen is a white powder with a melting point of 74-77° C and is very slightly soluble in water (< 1 mg/mL) and readily soluble in most organic solvents. Now I use 3ml for every pill usually which is roughly about 90ml of water. The solubility is 1mg for every ml of water making the maximum amount of ibuprofen in the water 90mg which will be deducted from the end result once I have established the exact weight of the filtered ibuprofen and other inactives such a fillers and starch etc etc.
Filtration using a very fine tight knit/woven T-shirt
Completion of the filtration leaving behind Ibuprofen and other inactives
In the beginning before the filtration it contained 6000mg Ibuprofen - 90mg (that dissolved) = 5910mg. A panafen plus pill weighs 667mg. So 667mg - 12.8mg (codeine) - 200mg (ibuprofen) = 454.2mg of other inactives x 30 pills =
13 626mg + ibuprofen= 19626mg.Now bear in mind that ibuprofen very very slightly soluble in water so basically no issues there like I mentioned earlier the solution contains roughly 90mg of ibuprofen. So after keeping the filtered contents I will dry it out and see exactly how much the weight will be. Another thing to note I prob lost about a gram give or take due to it sticking to the filter and etc. Lets see how close the figure gets to roughly 18 000mg.
Another thing to note, Im not exactly sure how soluble all the other ingredients are but I imagine a fair few of them are pretty water soluble too. Which would also bring down the 18 000mg target. When I have a bit more spare time I will conduct another experiment where I will evaporate the solution and see how much Ibuprofen + inactives are left, and can incorporate those figures into teh calculations as well.
Lets just say I evaporated my solution (its a bit cloudy but not because of the ibuprofen itself after filtration) id imagine I wouldnt end up with more than half gram of solids (which I have tried long time ago) and lets just assume that all of it was ibuprofen thats about 2.5 pills. There are ibuprofen pills out there that contain 800mg each and 2.5 pills of P+ would be the appx recommended dosage.
Its good to see you being very cautious however I'm a very scientific guy and prefer research done on things. We have discussed the T-shirt process thoroughly and in the next few days I will be doing a bit of research and calculations. Its really important which I havnt seen anyone mention is that one needs to use WARM water to dissolve the pills then GRADUALLY cooling the solution down until it is very cold.
Ibuprofen is a white powder with a melting point of 74-77° C and is very slightly soluble in water (< 1 mg/mL) and readily soluble in most organic solvents. Now I use 3ml for every pill usually which is roughly about 90ml of water. The solubility is 1mg for every ml of water making the maximum amount of ibuprofen in the water 90mg which will be deducted from the end result once I have established the exact weight of the filtered ibuprofen and other inactives such a fillers and starch etc etc.
Filtration using a very fine tight knit/woven T-shirt
Completion of the filtration leaving behind Ibuprofen and other inactives
In the beginning before the filtration it contained 6000mg Ibuprofen - 90mg (that dissolved) = 5910mg. A panafen plus pill weighs 667mg. So 667mg - 12.8mg (codeine) - 200mg (ibuprofen) = 454.2mg of other inactives x 30 pills =
13 626mg + ibuprofen= 19626mg.Now bear in mind that ibuprofen very very slightly soluble in water so basically no issues there like I mentioned earlier the solution contains roughly 90mg of ibuprofen. So after keeping the filtered contents I will dry it out and see exactly how much the weight will be.
Another thing to note, Im not exactly sure how soluble all the other ingredients are but I imagine a fair few of them are pretty water soluble too. Which would also bring down the target. When I have a bit more spare time I will conduct another experiment where I will evaporate the solution and see how much Ibuprofen + inactives are left, and can incorporate those figures into teh calculations as well.
Lets just say I evaporated my solution (its a bit cloudy but not because of the ibuprofen itself after filtration) id imagine I wouldnt end up with more than half gram of solids (which I have tried long time ago) and lets just assume that all of it was ibuprofen thats about 2.5 pills. There are ibuprofen pills out there that contain 800mg each and 2.5 pills of P+ would be the appx recommended dosage.
Outcome:
30 pills x 667mg each = 20 010mg. Now 20 010mg - 30 pills x 12.8mg = 384mg. We subtract the codeine from the pill mass, 20 010mg - 384mg (codeine) - 90mg (ibuprofen that was water soluble) = 19 532mg.
After the pill mass was dried thoroughly this was the outcome
19 300mg of junk has been removed. 19 532mg - 19 300 = 232mg (Now this could be either 100% ibuprofen, codeine (I really hope not but I suppose its better loosing that then ibuprofen into the solution) or fillers and inactives. Either way 232mg will not cause serious harm. These calculations are not 100% accurate as there are a few other factors involved. Method was done with a T-Shirt.
Time to drink my CWE, cheers
Done
Ibuprofen is a white powder with a melting point of 74-77° C and is very slightly soluble in water (< 1 mg/mL) and readily soluble in most organic solvents. Now I use 3ml for every pill usually which is roughly about 90ml of water. The solubility is 1mg for every ml of water making the maximum amount of ibuprofen in the water 90mg which will be deducted from the end result once I have established the exact weight of the filtered ibuprofen and other inactives such a fillers and starch etc etc.
Filtration using a very fine tight knit/woven T-shirt
Completion of the filtration leaving behind Ibuprofen and other inactives
In the beginning before the filtration it contained 6000mg Ibuprofen - 90mg (that dissolved) = 5910mg. A panafen plus pill weighs 667mg. So 667mg - 12.8mg (codeine) - 200mg (ibuprofen) = 454.2mg of other inactives x 30 pills =
13 626mg + ibuprofen= 19626mg.Now bear in mind that ibuprofen very very slightly soluble in water so basically no issues there like I mentioned earlier the solution contains roughly 90mg of ibuprofen. So after keeping the filtered contents I will dry it out and see exactly how much the weight will be. Another thing to note I prob lost about a gram give or take due to it sticking to the filter and etc. Lets see how close the figure gets to roughly 18 000mg.
Another thing to note, Im not exactly sure how soluble all the other ingredients are but I imagine a fair few of them are pretty water soluble too. Which would also bring down the 18 000mg target. When I have a bit more spare time I will conduct another experiment where I will evaporate the solution and see how much Ibuprofen + inactives are left, and can incorporate those figures into teh calculations as well.
Lets just say I evaporated my solution (its a bit cloudy but not because of the ibuprofen itself after filtration) id imagine I wouldnt end up with more than half gram of solids (which I have tried long time ago) and lets just assume that all of it was ibuprofen thats about 2.5 pills. There are ibuprofen pills out there that contain 800mg each and 2.5 pills of P+ would be the appx recommended dosage.
Its good to see you being very cautious however I'm a very scientific guy and prefer research done on things. We have discussed the T-shirt process thoroughly and in the next few days I will be doing a bit of research and calculations. Its really important which I havnt seen anyone mention is that one needs to use WARM water to dissolve the pills then GRADUALLY cooling the solution down until it is very cold.
Ibuprofen is a white powder with a melting point of 74-77° C and is very slightly soluble in water (< 1 mg/mL) and readily soluble in most organic solvents. Now I use 3ml for every pill usually which is roughly about 90ml of water. The solubility is 1mg for every ml of water making the maximum amount of ibuprofen in the water 90mg which will be deducted from the end result once I have established the exact weight of the filtered ibuprofen and other inactives such a fillers and starch etc etc.
Filtration using a very fine tight knit/woven T-shirt
Completion of the filtration leaving behind Ibuprofen and other inactives
In the beginning before the filtration it contained 6000mg Ibuprofen - 90mg (that dissolved) = 5910mg. A panafen plus pill weighs 667mg. So 667mg - 12.8mg (codeine) - 200mg (ibuprofen) = 454.2mg of other inactives x 30 pills =
13 626mg + ibuprofen= 19626mg.Now bear in mind that ibuprofen very very slightly soluble in water so basically no issues there like I mentioned earlier the solution contains roughly 90mg of ibuprofen. So after keeping the filtered contents I will dry it out and see exactly how much the weight will be.
Another thing to note, Im not exactly sure how soluble all the other ingredients are but I imagine a fair few of them are pretty water soluble too. Which would also bring down the target. When I have a bit more spare time I will conduct another experiment where I will evaporate the solution and see how much Ibuprofen + inactives are left, and can incorporate those figures into teh calculations as well.
Lets just say I evaporated my solution (its a bit cloudy but not because of the ibuprofen itself after filtration) id imagine I wouldnt end up with more than half gram of solids (which I have tried long time ago) and lets just assume that all of it was ibuprofen thats about 2.5 pills. There are ibuprofen pills out there that contain 800mg each and 2.5 pills of P+ would be the appx recommended dosage.
Outcome:
30 pills x 667mg each = 20 010mg. Now 20 010mg - 30 pills x 12.8mg = 384mg. We subtract the codeine from the pill mass, 20 010mg - 384mg (codeine) - 90mg (ibuprofen that was water soluble) = 19 532mg.
After the pill mass was dried thoroughly this was the outcome
19 300mg of junk has been removed. 19 532mg - 19 300 = 232mg (Now this could be either 100% ibuprofen, codeine (I really hope not but I suppose its better loosing that then ibuprofen into the solution) or fillers and inactives. Either way 232mg will not cause serious harm. These calculations are not 100% accurate as there are a few other factors involved. Method was done with a T-Shirt.
Time to drink my CWE, cheers
Done
PeacePipeChief
Bluelighter
thats better , its nice to know CWE is as effective as imagined , what ever happened to that guy who would not let the topic of the tiny tiny amount of dissolved ibuprofen/paracetamol die ?
, its nice to know CWE is as effective as imagined , what ever happened to that guy who would not let the topic of the tiny tiny amount of dissolved ibuprofen/paracetamol die ?Paracetamol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParacetamolSolubility in water, 12.78 mg/mL (20 °C). That's 1000mg of paracetamol or the usual dose in 80 mg and most people probably use a lot more water because they use a lot of pills daily. Paracetamol is very toxic and is not "OK" to use daily under any circumstances. I think most people would be concerned about taking that much poison every day. So advertising it as safe is not the truth. Advertising CWE as an opiate is also based on a misconception. One of the big pluses with opiates is the lack of toxicity. The same can't be said for daily CWE because small doses of ibuprofen effect the gut quite noticeably with time and who knows what else.
I have never written that a CWE carried out properly is not effective at removing an lethal dose from the solution, you really need to read my posts before you comment on them. Your obviously concerned by what I am saying so it surprises me that you'd say that and not even bother to get a basic understanding of what I have actually written.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParacetamolSolubility in water, 12.78 mg/mL (20 °C). That's 1000mg of paracetamol or the usual dose in 80 mg and most people probably use a lot more water because they use a lot of pills daily. Paracetamol is very toxic and is not "OK" to use daily under any circumstances. I think most people would be concerned about taking that much poison every day. So advertising it as safe is not the truth. Advertising CWE as an opiate is also based on a misconception. One of the big pluses with opiates is the lack of toxicity. The same can't be said for daily CWE because small doses of ibuprofen effect the gut quite noticeably with time and who knows what else.
I have never written that a CWE carried out properly is not effective at removing an lethal dose from the solution, you really need to read my posts before you comment on them. Your obviously concerned by what I am saying so it surprises me that you'd say that and not even bother to get a basic understanding of what I have actually written.
even the sustanon experiment showed that you can expect at least 200mg of ibu from just 30 pill. That 2-3 ibu pills a day for many daily CWEers.
edit: maybe not at least 200mg but a significant amount toxicologicaly can be expected from sustanon's tech.
When sustanon writes " Either way 232mg will not cause serious harm", I wonder if he actually knows exactly what he means by "serious harm".
I would think that having a significant negative impact on vital organs is worth calling serious, maybe not lethal but most of us don't want even the slightest hint of damage to vital organs (especially at a young age) over a drug addiction that should be harmless in a toxicological sense.
your liver is not just for the conversion of cody to morph, your gut is not just for absorbing drugs etc.
edit: maybe not at least 200mg but a significant amount toxicologicaly can be expected from sustanon's tech.
When sustanon writes " Either way 232mg will not cause serious harm", I wonder if he actually knows exactly what he means by "serious harm".
I would think that having a significant negative impact on vital organs is worth calling serious, maybe not lethal but most of us don't want even the slightest hint of damage to vital organs (especially at a young age) over a drug addiction that should be harmless in a toxicological sense.
your liver is not just for the conversion of cody to morph, your gut is not just for absorbing drugs etc.
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PeacePipeChief
Bluelighter
oh it was u : P the paracetamol is quite worrying , 1000mg daily is pretty bad , so everyone should buy the ibuprofen ... sorry if i offended u by saying that , i was talking about how u never ... ever ... ever let the topic go lol , i see your point now .
codeineluva
Bluelighter
If someone would assume to have used too much water and propably dissolved some APAP, is their still a way to get it out or can one just be sure to not having dissolved any APAP when he puts his solution in the freezer and nothing settles?
Captain Brewster
Bluelight Crew
Is there somewhere that states apap's solubility at lower temps than 20deg?
I can only find its solubility at 31deg and 21deg. 21 is a lower solubility, would that continue in a linear fashion for colder temps?
I can only find its solubility at 31deg and 21deg. 21 is a lower solubility, would that continue in a linear fashion for colder temps?
88brenno
Greenlighter
^That is all the info you should need anyway, but I guess APAP solubility would drop even further with colder temps....
I found a pharmacy that sold me 2 boxes of the 40x15 :D offered me some antihistamines as well, seems legit
I found a pharmacy that sold me 2 boxes of the 40x15 :D offered me some antihistamines as well, seems legit
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
^That is all the info you should need anyway, but I guess APAP solubility would drop even further with colder temps....
I found a pharmacy that sold me 2 boxes of the 40x15 :D offered me some antihistamines as well, seems legit
luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy they were SO onto me yesterday!
88brenno
Greenlighter
come on msn slut
Oh yeah forgot to mention he gave me a 5% discount on both the boxes :D
Oh yeah forgot to mention he gave me a 5% discount on both the boxes :D
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footscrazy
Bluelight Crew
I found a link that I provided in one of the old threads that had solubility right down to 5 degrees, I think it was. I cbf'd finding it now, but it doesn't continue down in a linear fashion. As you drop temperatures, the difference is solubility becomes much less marked, so that the difference between 10 and 5 degrees, say, is much less than between 20 and 15.
Edit, found a source.
Mg paracetamol dissolved in ml of water at degrees celcius.
0 - 7.21
5 - 8.21
10 - 9.44
15 - 10.97
20 - 12.78
25 - 14.90
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PeacePipeChief
Bluelighter
^That is all the info you should need anyway, but I guess APAP solubility would drop even further with colder temps....
I found a pharmacy that sold me 2 boxes of the 40x15 :D offered me some antihistamines as well, seems legit
Cheerin , best box ive got so far is generic 40x10 , what do I ask for , for the 40x15 and is it in qld ?
Tried plugging a CWE today 400mg only took 5 'insertions' and was pretty good , definetly better than dosing orally besides the prodding lol . Although its the first time ive tried codeine without smoking weed after 30 mins of dosing , and holy shit it really does make all the difference , which In a way is good , 1 less drug I'll be tempted to use regularly
Captain Brewster
Bluelight Crew
Cool thanks footscrazy, fairly interesting, think I'll be sticking with cold water to dissolve my pills, codeine becomes more soluble at colder temps anyway.
infectedmushroom
Bluelighter
what kind of drugs / things do you guys do to reduce codeine related nausea...sometimes i take 2mg of polaramine at is an anti-histamine, not sure about it's anti-emetic properties...
when i can be bothered diphenhydramine is great plus adds to the sedation and drowsiness a little bit as well
when i can be bothered diphenhydramine is great plus adds to the sedation and drowsiness a little bit as well
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
i smoke pot they use it with cancer patients to reduce nausa so yeahhh,i kinda like the nausa it lets me know im fucked up
PeacePipeChief
Bluelighter
I just leave it , Yesterday when I plugged it for the first time and didn't smoke weed on it for the first time , I got a lot more nausea (was still quite mild) and also didn't get as fucked up as I usually would .
footscrazy
Bluelight Crew
Dimenhydrinate/travacalm.
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