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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Please use the resources available and complied for your convenience rather than starting a thread on a very, very discussed topic. There are threads discussing exactly what you are talking about, and filled with peoples experiences with suboxone treatment. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/615256-Suboxone-Buprenorphine-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ-v14.0/ <--- everything you want to know is in here

Please also don't bump your own threads. You bumped it within a day, which is not allowed. Take some time to read the rules and look at the resources available to you that the members and moderators have put a lot of time into. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/429458-**The-Other-Drugs-Directory**-UPDATED-05-01-2012 <--- you'll find other threads of importance for OD
 
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I wouldnt go on bupe unless you have a serious opioid problem. I'd rather be depressed and yet free from any addiction than on bupe now.

I can barely pay rent and I'm barrowing money for suboxone strips and doc appointments. Suboxone is expensive and one hell of a drug to get off.

It's quite a life-style change. On the other hand, if you don't think there is any other solution, I suppose it's worth a try after 30 years...
 
Thanks for sharing both of you...So has Subs improved your life in a good way? And what was your induction dose and where is your dose now? And how long have you been on them and when are you going to stop BMT? I totally understand that people don't want to be addicted to a drug for the rest of their lives. But if doctors think I need to be on some anti-depressant the rest of my life then why not it be one that works?

I'm really struggling with my decision as you can tell. I am just so desperate to have a decent life again before I ever picked up opiates. I have not been even close to normal this past year after coming off opiates. I know it takes TIME but how much more time. And this recent relapse has made me more fearful of starting all over again and dealing with the mind fuck and cravings etc... My biggest concern with going on BMT is coming off of the Subs. Imagine?! I haven't even started it yet!
 
tricomb said:
I've definitely heard of headaches, migraines even, being worsened by suboxone, although IIRC maybe the naloxone had something to do with it?

Have you ever tried subutex?
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Depends on where you are. I know in Australia you'd be extremely hard-pressed to convince the health professional to move you to Subutex - too much of an abuse risk.


tricomb said:
You take 56mg suboxone? You realize that above 32mg, it does absolutely nothing more? It has a ceiling effect....

And that it is actually more effective in lower doses?
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Absolutely correct. Additionally the ROA is extremely important for bupe.


i are spectre said:
I wouldnt go on bupe unless you have a serious opioid problem. I'd rather be depressed and yet free from any addiction than on bupe now.
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Captain.Heroin said:
I would not go on buprenorphine if you haven't been using opiates.
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Agree C_H, of course! :) When compared with no addiction (and hence none of the physical, mental, financial, etc pain cause by it) and the negative side-effect caused by bupe, it's a stupid idea to make the choice to go on it. However if a debilitating, life-wasting addiction to opiates was compared with the (legitimate) comparatively mild effects cause by bupe, and the opiate addiction won, I'd really question the depth/seriousness of the addition. :\

i are spectre said:
I can barely pay rent and I'm barrowing money for suboxone strips and doc appointments. Suboxone is expensive and one hell of a drug to get off.......
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That's interesting, in which country do you live? In Australia it's either free from the D&A clinic or *snip*. *snip* on a bupe dose sure is a hell of a lot cheaper then a morphine/heroin/*insert DOC* addiction!
 
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Someone needs to put all the relative information in one easy to find, easy to read place. A FAQ or something. I see the same questions over and over again. Why? People dont want to read through 16+ pages of posts. Users that ask a question other users have seen before, wont even get an answer at times. "They should read the posts." The querstions of "how long should I wait in between or before..." or the common problems " I get these symptoms at these doses..." The search function is not helpful as it just pulls up forum threads and not particular posts or replys relating to their question. Just my opinion.
Another thing is all the "theories" and the "opinions" and the "wow your cool" or "me too" posts only deter from learning anything. Not to mention all the bashing and fighting by users. I want a forum that is ran in a more educational way. If a user is going to post, a mod should review it and if it does not pertain to an actual intellectual conversation or the topic being discussed, it should be deleted. I also think Subutex and Suboxone should have their own threads. Merging them does not help anyone when there are no clear definitions as to what the difference is between the two or why they are merged. Most people are asking "does this apply to Subutex/Suboxone" when they are reading others posts. I cant help but feel like im reading the conversations of a high school chat room at times. Take a look at all 16+ pages of posts and you will see how much useless jibber jabber there is going on. How much useless information one must go through to try to get the truth. I love Bluelight but I am starting to search for the first time to see what other forums are available and im not alone.
 
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ok so i just got an idea... since bup is metabolized into norbup by the 3A4 enzymes, could i induce 3A4 to increase the amount of norbup using St. Johns Wort???

does 3A4 metabolize bup into norbup?
 
Hey I have heard various reports that suboxone (compared to subutex) has re-uptake blockers in it that (try to) inhibit opioid addiction/dependence and make withdrawals easier - Any fellow Bluelighter's know if this is true or not?
 
groovysmoothy said:
Hey I have heard various reports that suboxone (compared to subutex) has re-uptake blockers in it that (try to) inhibit opioid addiction/dependence and make withdrawals easier - Any fellow Bluelighter's know if this is true or not?
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The only difference between suboxone and subutex is that suboxone is a combination of buprenorphine and naloxone, whereas subutex does not have the naloxone, so only has the buprenorphine. However, the naloxone is suboxone doesn't do anything because buprenorphine outcompetes it in attaching to opioid receptors. The withdrawals, addiction, and dependence from suboxone are just as bad as with subutex because they are both just caused by buprenorphine.
 
usually dont ask questions like these.. used 6 mgs of suboxone sublingually 40 hours ago. I hadnt been taking suboxone before this. edit: ps .. the use of suboxone was just recreational. I don't have a huge opiate habit right now. Normally id wait until I was sick from not having suboxone... but I wont get sick....

Only about half a mg of suboxone should be left in my system right??
 
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ChemicalSmiles said:
usually dont ask questions like these.. used 6 mgs of suboxone sublingually 40 hours ago. I hadnt been taking suboxone before this. edit: ps .. the use of suboxone was just recreational. I don't have a huge opiate habit right now. Normally id wait until I was sick from not having suboxone... but I wont get sick....

Only about half a mg of suboxone should be left in my system right??
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Half-life is 37 hours so around 3mg will still be in your system 40 hours later. This is why the withdrawal period is ssssooooo lllllooooonnngggg!
 
I agree. Bupe should not be used for recreational use. That's how a lot of people I know, including myself (when I didn't have another opiate/heroin) started down the horrible path of actually becoming suboxone-dependent. I know two other people that have prescriptions for suboxone because they need it, never even addicted to heroin or stronger opiates, just suboxone. Don't go down that path, it raises your tolerance and you'll find yourself wanting to take it more and more.
 
pizzy said:
I agree. Bupe should not be used for recreational use. That's how a lot of people I know, including myself (when I didn't have another opiate/heroin) started down the horrible path of actually becoming suboxone-dependent. I know two other people that have prescriptions for suboxone because they need it, never even addicted to heroin or stronger opiates, just suboxone. Don't go down that path, it raises your tolerance and you'll find yourself wanting to take it more and more.
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u dont need to tell me this. thanks guys for the info on half life tho.
 
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Donewthislife said:
Half-life is 37 hours so around 3mg will still be in your system 40 hours later. This is why the withdrawal period is ssssooooo lllllooooonnngggg!
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Actually if you realize that the BOA of suboxone is only X % (so lets say you took your 6mg sublingually, 50%). SO, you really only originally had 3mg of sub in you. Since the HL is average of ~37 hours (although for me its closer to the 24 hour mark) you should have ~1.5mg of sub left in you, give or take.

Based purely off of the drugs average half life and BOA
 
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