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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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^ It baffles me how uneducated doctors can be when it comes to suboxone. For example, a former doctor of mine actually said to me "I don't know that much about how to get off of it, I only know how to prescribe it.."

I'm not even remotely kidding here...

It's the same thing with almost all new(er) drugs. The doctors believe the b.s fed to them by the pharmaceutical reps about how this new drug they have is better than the other alternatives, has a lower potential for abuse, and is easy to get off of. It's been happening forever (heroin marketed as a safer alternative to morphine, oxymorphone marketed as having lower abuse potential than morphine, OxyContin marketed as better alternative to taking other pain meds several times a day, etc) and it takes years of patients suffering for it to change.

Suboxone seems to be one of the drugs with the most misinformation out there on it, and one that doctors actually know very little about. From the lie about the naloxone in Suboxone preventing people from IVing it making it safer than Subutex, to the stupidly high dosages being prescribed, to the little knowledge doctors have on tapering plans, there's a lot that Doctors need to learn.

Part of the problem is that many of us have been the guinea pigs since Suboxone has only been widely prescribed since 2006, although it was approved 4 years before that, but doctors could only prescribe it to 10 patients back then. Since the patients providing the feedback are addicts, the doctors may not take this feedback seriously, so therefore rely on studies and information provided by Reckitt Benckiser which is going to be biased to make the drug appear to work how they want it to work.

That's why there are so many of us on Bluelight and other forums that discuss this medication and how to use it. This is the 14th version of the suboxone megathread since mid-2007, and there have been plenty of other threads and discussions on this drug outside of the megathreads. Just to be clear I'm not saying that suboxone isn't a safer drug for opiate maintenance or detox, or that it is always hard to get off. It is how it's prescribed that makes it worse than it should be, and with proper prescribing and tapering it is a lot better.
 
It's the same thing with almost all new(er) drugs. The doctors believe the b.s fed to them by the pharmaceutical reps about how this new drug they have is better than the other alternatives, has a lower potential for abuse, and is easy to get off of. It's been happening forever (heroin marketed as a safer alternative to morphine, oxymorphone marketed as having lower abuse potential than morphine, OxyContin marketed as better alternative to taking other pain meds several times a day, etc) and it takes years of patients suffering for it to change.

Suboxone seems to be one of the drugs with the most misinformation out there on it, and one that doctors actually know very little about. From the lie about the naloxone in Suboxone preventing people from IVing it making it safer than Subutex, to the stupidly high dosages being prescribed, to the little knowledge doctors have on tapering plans, there's a lot that Doctors need to learn.

Part of the problem is that many of us have been the guinea pigs since Suboxone has only been widely prescribed since 2006, although it was approved 4 years before that, but doctors could only prescribe it to 10 patients back then. Since the patients providing the feedback are addicts, the doctors may not take this feedback seriously, so therefore rely on studies and information provided by Reckitt Benckiser which is going to be biased to make the drug appear to work how they want it to work.

That's why there are so many of us on Bluelight and other forums that discuss this medication and how to use it. This is the 14th version of the suboxone megathread since mid-2007, and there have been plenty of other threads and discussions on this drug outside of the megathreads. Just to be clear I'm not saying that suboxone isn't a safer drug for opiate maintenance or detox, or that it is always hard to get off. It is how it's prescribed that makes it worse than it should be, and with proper prescribing and tapering it is a lot better.

Yeah. but lt's face it there's also assholes like me and alot of other people who aren't honest with our doctors. Like me. I need 2mg's a day. I'm prescribed the max. 32. So you can guess where the others go. I guess in the end we're no better than our money hungry doctors.

Atleast I'm not.

They only have to take a 6 hour course and a few other minor things to prescribe it. Now the DEA is starting to come down on DR's. Like my xanax doctor let go half of his paitents on narcotics and randomly piss tests me ever since that dipshit shot up that pharmacy. I KNEW we were ALL going to suffer from tht one guy as soon as it happend. I just knew.
 
Now the DEA is starting to come down on DR's. Like my xanax doctor let go half of his paitents on narcotics and randomly piss tests me ever since that dipshit shot up that pharmacy. I KNEW we were ALL going to suffer from tht one guy as soon as it happend. I just knew.

As soon as I saw the story about that goof shooting up that pharmacy on CNN, I felt the exact same way: the shit's going to hit the fan over prescription narcotics on LI.

Doctors around here are getting so afraid of prescribing narcotics and having patients that are on narcotics that it's going the same way- docs dropping patients, piss testing them and referring them to methadone doctors to get methadone for chronic pain control.

Here, what did it was pretty much the same thing: pharmacy robberies. My home city's average sized (~320,000 people) but we've had about 40 armed pharmacy robberies in the last year or so and a shit-ton of ones where the guy just goes in with a written threat. In all but one of the robberies, it was for prescription narcotics. The only other one was some asshat robbing a pharmacy for Ritalin (srsly...lol). Now, most pharmacies won't stock a lot of narcotics and will only bring them in on special order plus this province has a new monitoring system that even tracks tramadol and OTC products with 8 mg of codeine in them.
 
can you please let me know how to use a single sub pill for RAPID detox please

i currently am taking about 6 norcos a day (10/325 (hydro)) for about 10 months. i can survive off of 2 pills a day, one in AM and one in PM. but you know how hard it is not to take more when you have them.
however i wish to stop.

can you share with me the dose to use a sub pill for someone with a case such as mine. Thanks A TON!
 
Take 2 pills a day for a week.. then 1 pill a dday than 1/2

taper with norco...

Seriously.

Theoretically yes u could take sub.. but you would maybe only need .1 mgs to fiend off withdrawals if that...

No point...

Thats like saying hey i drink 4 beers a day.. will taking 5 shots of vodka help me quit?
 
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^^ But the addiction doesn't sound as if it rapidly spiraled out of control. How are your withdrawals off of norco?
 
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Cire, is right, you are trying to kill an ant with a boulder using bupe for a habit of your size. If you go cold turkey, it might suck, you might feel like death, but at that dose you will be surprised how quick you will start to recover. I bet after 3 or 4 days you already hit the peak and every day gets better..by day 10 you'll probably be feeling great.

If you use bupe, use a VERY small amount. The worst thing you can do is start taking more opiates than you were when you were taking the norcos. You would be raisuing your level of dependency. I would say to go as long as you can CT and maybe 24-48 hours in take a SINGLE dose of .5mg then just continue your detox not taking anything else. That will probably get you totally off sick for a day and take the edge off for the next 3 days.. by then you will be practically done and any symptoms you feel will be minimal.

Really you are better off just going cold turkey. No need to drag it out.. you are in a position where you can detox and recover extremely quick. At their worst, your withdrawals symptoms will me moderate which most would say was an exaggeration. Depending how long you have been using, they will be very manageable. I remember detoxing off of 3-4x 30mg oxy IR's, and at the time I considered the withdrawals to be moderate-severe, but so quick it was surprising. seriously by day 5 I felt SO much better. On day 5 of bupe withdrawals you have only begun to scratch the surface.. and I wihs I never made bupe any part of my life.

You have been taking opiates regularly, so you will have to detox. THere is no way to avoid withdrawals, at some time you will have to go through soem pain. If you tapered your norco usage to 1 norco a day which you could probably do comfortably in 2-3 weeks, your withdrawals will be nominal.

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I just thought about immodium.. gert your self a bottle of loperimide and forget about the bupe. Is 6 norcos 30mg or 45mg?
 
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Viken, don't listen to the negativity, that much hydrocodone is definitely strong enough to cause WD, but definitely not enough to warrant subs. I had the most trouble getting bellow 1 Norco a day when tapering from the equivalent of 8-12 a day. I would always get a Norco, tell myself I would only take 2.5 or 5mg, then just pop the whole one. Eventually I was able to do 7.5mg (3/4 of a tab), then 5mg the next week, then 2.5mg for a long time, maybe a couple of weeks, til I ran out.

Exercising right after taking your tapered dosage helps it kick in so much harder as it synergizes with endorphins, and gets your brain feeling OK with a lower dosage. I would say a moderate-hard exercise session feels like 10-15mg hydrocodone, maybe even 20mg is it's an ass kicking session, so don't discount it. Hit the weights, treadmill, concrete, whatever you can do, good luck! :D

Swain, 6 Norcos is 60mg hydrocodone. Norcos come in 5mg and 7.5mg forms as well, but most people are referring to the 10/325's when they mention "Norcos," "Norcs," or "Narcs."
 
Has anyone who's been on Sub Maintenance successfully quit and remained clean and sober from ALL opiates from at least 2 years? (completely sober; NOTHING)

once i went 15 months.. another 11 months...

I think its almost impossible to quit... THe acute physical withdrawal lasts about 20-30 days for me; the PAWS where still there at 15 months... It is horrible

The worst part is around day 2 or 3 of no subs u think hey its not that bad; but it doesn't even really fully leave your system for a long time because of the half-life and stacking effect...

Is there hope?

Its ball and chain...

Most people have No clue how difficult this is to quit once on maintence for a while; its possible don't get me wrong

Ibogaine might be last chance
 
^its not buprenorphine though that makes it so hard to quit, sure the PAWS from bupe and methadone lasts longer, but you can get past it, I have, and I lived sober and relatively content for almost nine months, and then found some vicodin one day and BOOM-I was back on heroin.

Opiates in general are just hard to put down. People will relapse on them after years of abstinence-that's not to say that it's an impossible feat, but it's definately a difficult one.
 
i suggest moving to hawaii or some tropical island to get off bupe. that's my plan once i am satisfied with my educational goals.

one way ticket, bring a few strips just to settle in somewhere, and just ride the wave(s)...

i find tropical regions to be much better for withdrawal and overall well being =) mainland sucks!
 
^ ionno man. Moving to an island jsut to get clean dont seem very practical. Besides you should tacle your addiction head on. Not run.
 
even on a tropical island in the middle of nowhere there are opiates trust me lol..

where you go there you are....

Quitting sub though is much harder than short acting agonists.. the duration is what make it tough... the intensity is mild but i shit u not... once it was like day 30 and i felt a shiver of physical goosebumps from withdrawal lol....\


i mean life on bupe aint that bad... but rest of life..hmm i don't know
 
does putting suboxone film in a nasal spray cause fillers binders(not that i see any) to plug my nose cause ive been putting the suboxone film in nasal spray and havent had any pain and i now have about 200 extra doses because i dont take four a day anymore. what do you think? is it unhealthy to put suboxone film into nasal spray without taking out the fillers and binders out before?
 
does putting suboxone film in a nasal spray cause fillers binders(not that i see any) to plug my nose cause ive been putting the suboxone film in nasal spray and havent had any pain and i now have about 200 extra doses because i dont take four a day anymore. what do you think? is it unhealthy to put suboxone film into nasal spray without taking out the fillers and binders out before?


I mean...films have almost no filler. So usually whne I plug I dont even bother filtering. If it's film...you dont HAVE to but it's a good idea.
 
living on a tropical island opiate free is much better than somewhere on the 45th parallel. ive done it once and will do it again. of course there are opiates, but it's much easier to abstain in a new area. works for me anyway. just a suggestion for those who dont know what else to do.

in fact, i recommend it to people without addiction as it is not extreme but a good chance to have some great new experiences. it's only in the middle of the pacific ocean, its not like its another planet. $300 bucks and youre there!

i know a couple great places to crash for a few months... hostels and half way homes more or less. but these are much better than any mainland versions... banana and papaya tree's, coconuts, beautiful women... i know ill be there again
 
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