Dissociatives Major Long Term Effects from MXE

[chestercheese]

Hey,

I know everything I am going to say will be pretty much a major facepalm moment for you guys. I've never really done much "research" into RC's and learnt to regret it now. But I am positive you guys will have a better idea about all this than my doctors who seem to blame it on other things.


I was taking MXE (named Lotus where I am) on and off every month or so? Nothing major, this is for the last 6 months the last time being a month ago. Now the first time I had it, it was the first time I had ever taken a RC and straight away here is where I made my mistake. I had a 400mg bump. Not really knowing much amount the doses just thought it looked like a decent amount to set me off.
That was all I took that night luckily, but I was pretty off my tits as you can imagine. Was sat down, the room was spinning, the walls was swaying, was pretty weird. I had loads of paranoia and panicy feelings like I was going to die. (Reading this forum now I realise I might of been close too.)

Anyway overall I actually enjoyed the trip apart from the ending, didn't hit any m-hole or anything though was just pretty fucked to put it honestly. The next time I took it I calmed it down a bit but was still doing about 200mg lines, once every hour, sometimes less over a 6/7 hour period. Again I felt fine this time, I felt the effects but I think I developed a high tolerance quickly because mixed with alcohol and weed it hardly did anything.

Now it wasn't until it was made illegal that things got nasty, the guy at my local headshop who sells these RC's managed to get some in for me; Bought 2g, but measured them out they weighed a total of 4g. Not sure why but this always seemed to be the case.
Then had this mixed with some strong blue cheese, having roughly 200mg bumps, some reaching 400-600mg. Probably consumed a total of 1.8g before something just changed in my mind. Not sure what but my perception on life just changed almost instantly, I was in a fine state.. slightly trippy, but still aware of everything. But the way I thought about the world, the way I saw things (not trippy way) just changed. The second that happened the rest of it was thrown away immediately. I thought I'll be fine in the morning and just carried on smoking, got home 4/5 hours later and was still feeling that paradox shift in my mind. Getting increasingly more worried. But I managed to get to sleep and thought it would be fine in the morning.

The next morning, the effects of the MXE had worn off completely but the mind shift hadn't. I then just blamed it on after effects and next day dripbacks. But here I am a month later and my mind is still pretty much fucked.

Has anybody else felt this or even still feeling it? Anyone got any advice and I understand how stupid I was don't worry about that...

Thanks

 

[lolusername]

Those are some insane doses of mxe..

 

[chestercheese]

Those are some insane doses of mxe..

I hadn't realised until I came on here, I wanted to know a little bit more about what fucked me up and saw how much people was taking. I am used to spending time with people who sniff bubble, which is cut with other crap that much they have to have 200mg lines etc so I expected it to be the norm.

 

[hypnotizee]

Hi chestercheese,

Could you give us some further details about your "mind shift" ? I suppose you don't mean that you've had an experience giving you some sort of deeper insight into your life/world which induced this lasting change in perception.
And lolusername is right, you really did some insane doses there. The thing that puzzles me though is that you didn't hole from 400mg. Are you sure that the stuff that you were taking was MXE? Have you been taking any other drugs and/or meds?

 

[chestercheese]

Hi chestercheese,

Could you give us some further details about your "mind shift" ? I suppose you don't mean that you've had an experience giving you some sort of deeper insight into your life/world which induced this lasting change in perception.
And lolusername is right, you really did some insane doses there. The thing that puzzles me though is that you didn't hole from 400mg. Are you sure that the stuff that you were taking was MXE? Have you been taking any other drugs and/or meds?

Hi hypnotizee,

Yeah no problem. To a certain extent it was similar to what you are saying, it's extremely hard to explain. I question life and the world, I have a different perception on life and thought pattern which is like hell in my head. For example this is the mildest thought I have had but the easiest to explain. Was the morning after the biggest dose, I was sat in my friends living room, still kind of out of it.. They all smoke weed there so wake and bake is common. I have basically smoked weed every day for the 18 months which at my age is quite a long time. But the second I had this thought, I can now never touch any illegal/legal drugs again, it's strange even put me off drinking. The thought was "What is the point in taking things to change perception on our life?" I know it seems small and meaning less, but my mind now needs justification about everyone of these questions before I can go through with it. This may make me sound crazy I know but it's not as crazy as it sounds, it's more trying to put it into words. It is basically the deeper insight thing, but imagine that being a "good trip" and this is the "bad trip" version to that.

I am positive it is MXE, I wasn't sure at the time of taking nor after it got banned until it did that and I started researching. I asked the guy who sold it me, he confirmed it was MXE.

And about the holing. I'll be 100% honest, I am not fully sure on what feelings the hole is. From what I have been told (this is what I have never reached) it is a point where you don't move, stare and are out of control of your body. I have never experienced that, well not off MXE and have never had Ket. Have somehow experienced something even worse of a smoking mixture but yeah. I have got to the point where I was that fucked I could barely control my body and was trippy which may have been?

 

[chestercheese]

i agree with hypnotizee,

80mg is enough to hole if i'm home alone and am not disturbed, with 160mg i holed in public, no chance of getting me out there. 400mg sounds like insane. especially on your first encounter?
guess you're either a hardhead or some really lucky guy. or both.

the "mind-shift" you mentioned is the perception during MXE? eventually during holing with for instance other ppl around. you still know they are there, but you see and "feel" them slightly different. also your "self" is different. you keep that having after coming back to baseline?

I know what you both mean here and I myself am shocked. I have experienced the feelings and perception change linked with MXE during the trip. But I experienced that mindshift on the comedown, about 4-6 hours after my last hit (But at them amounts I'm guessing that this probably wasn't a comedown) But yes, they seem like what I can feel at times, but not to the extent that you feel whilst on MXE but still very similar and I am now at baseline.

 

[Bone14]

I would see a doctor if I were you.

And seriously... Those doses.. WTF man...

 

[chestercheese]

Jesus fucking Christ those are absolutely absurd doses of MXE, what on earth were you thinking?!

I would see a doctor if I were you.

I've realised now. The thing is my body is fine, my mind is to the extent of sanity and ability. Just the perception of thoughts that is strange.

 

[wayab]

i have tried lotus in my countrie twise
i dont usualy take such branded things but then i said what the heck and the first time was pleasantly suprised as the effects i got were 1:1 mxe so next day i rushed to the fuking head shop got my self 2 or 3 of this shit and wow another surprise some stim that didn't let me sleep or feel any form of pleasure for the next 8-10h
in short - stay away from branded drugs !

 

[chestercheese]

i have tried lotus in my countrie twise
i dont usualy take such branded things but then i said what the heck and the first time was pleasantly suprised as the effects i got were 1:1 mxe so next day i rushed to the fuking head shop got my self 2 or 3 of this shit and wow another surprise some stim that didn't let me sleep or feel any form of pleasure for the next 8-10h
in short - stay away from branded drugs !

What is branded locally as Lotus to you can be very different to what could be branded as Lotus to me. I spoke to the guy who owns the headshop, he's a good friend of mine and he told me it was MXE and said it was getting banned etc.

 

[Splitz]

If you took 400mg and was only 'pretty of your tits' I highly doubt the purity or even if it was MXE. Either way I hope you'll never take a substance again without looking up to see the dosages first. And allergy tests should be standard procedure before you whack 400mg... how can that amount look like a good starting point?

You live and learn.

 

[chestercheese]

If you took 400mg and was only 'pretty of your tits' I highly doubt the purity or even if it was MXE. Either way I hope you'll never take a substance again without looking up to see the dosages first. And allergy tests should be standard procedure before you whack 400mg... how can that amount look like a good starting point?

You live and learn.

By "pretty off my tits" I mean fucked out my head, was trying to keep the language to a minimum haha, but I was extremely fucked, I lost feeling below my neck at one point felt like I was levitating, walls was moving, I could barely walk or speak.. I that was the closest I was to what I know to be holing. The memory I have of when I think I might have been holing (to what I know it to be) was being sat on the floor curled in a ball, wouldn't speak to anyone was kinda swaying and felt a rush of panic and felt like something really bad was going to happen..

 

[eye_wide_open]

Quote Originally Posted by lolusername View Post
Those are some insane doses of mxe..
I hadn't realised until I came on here,

Agreed, same thing happened to me.
I came on here trying to understand WTF happened to me on a 200mg dose. lol

There's a lot I want to comment on about this thread but will have to wait for later when I can get to it.
It's likely you found a hole on 400mg but possibly didn't notice it. Hard to explain...
Sometimes it hits you hard other times you kinda have to tune into it.
There are certain ways you can help yourself do this.

If you are on a high dose like that all you have to do is lay down in bed with the lights out and wait a few minutes. lol

I'll be damned if your perception of the world isn't slightly shifting some by that point.

 

[yoyo50]

Since stoppin mxe, 2 months back since uk ban or such, the only thing i can see is when i close my eyes i get a kinda flashing,
going from 5g a week to none is hard, on weed and mxe id get a red flash in eye, used to think i was having a heart attack, till i done weed on its own and had a swollen chest over my heart, id smoked weed before mxe and never had a problem mxe is kinda evil

 

[MindWeather]

Since stoppin mxe, 2 months back since uk ban or such, the only thing i can see is when i close my eyes i get a kinda flashing,
going from 5g a week to none is hard, on weed and mxe id get a red flash in eye, used to think i was having a heart attack, till i done weed on its own and had a swollen chest over my heart, id smoked weed before mxe and never had a problem mxe is kinda evil

No, you're just irresponsible.

 

[SpecialK_]

I was taking MXE (named Lotus where I am) on and off every month or so? I had a 400mg bump.
Anyway overall I actually enjoyed the trip apart from the ending, didn't hit any m-hole or anything though was just pretty fucked to put it honestly.

Lotus sounds like a headshop brand of MXE that you have bought that has been cut for people exactly like you. It's rare to encounter a low dosage RC like MXE being sold pure in a headshop. I'm not one to doubt, but...

400mg would have had you more than 'pretty fucked' and undoubtedly in an hole or worse. I guarantee if you're taking doses like that you will not be redosing like you appear to be. I recall big doses without a tolerance leading to terrible headaches and blind spots. But undoubtedly beforehand a hole. You're bound to expect some long term effects, it's naive to not think so.

 

[Splitz]

mxe is kinda evil

As is anything if you use irresponsibly.

 

[chestercheese]

Agreed, same thing happened to me.
I came on here trying to understand WTF happened to me on a 200mg dose. lol

There's a lot I want to comment on about this thread but will have to wait for later when I can get to it.
It's likely you found a hole on 400mg but possibly didn't notice it. Hard to explain...
Sometimes it hits you hard other times you kinda have to tune into it.
There are certain ways you can help yourself do this.

If you are on a high dose like that all you have to do is lay down in bed with the lights out and wait a few minutes. lol

I'll be damned if your perception of the world isn't slightly shifting some by that point.

The more I think about it the more likely I did, I just don't fully understand what a hole is. I know what you mean by that lay down, I slept at my mates after one of these heavy dose nights, had a slightly trippy walk to his, led down on his floor and his room is naturally lighted slightly even at night and he has loads of them glow in the dark moon and star stickers stuck the roof from when his little brother shared his room. I have never tripped so bad in my life, bar one experience which I am actually tempted to put on here. But the stuff is unknown so wouldn't know where to put it.. So yeah I think I am starting to know what a hole is now a little more.

But it's only changed this last time I've taken it in such a major way and it's now stuck.

Since stoppin mxe, 2 months back since uk ban or such, the only thing i can see is when i close my eyes i get a kinda flashing,
going from 5g a week to none is hard, on weed and mxe id get a red flash in eye, used to think i was having a heart attack, till i done weed on its own and had a swollen chest over my heart, id smoked weed before mxe and never had a problem mxe is kinda evil

It is still quite easy to get hold of pure MXE in the UK, but it's only evil if you don't react well with it. Which I have now learnt is why you try small doses first. For others it is amazing.

 

[yoyo50]

Nothing todo with dose, first dose i done was 22mg, but as i said few weeks before the ban i was doing 5/g a week easy and wasn't holing or what not just to feel normal,

i found it some what addictive

 

[chestercheese]

Nothing todo with dose, first dose i done was 22mg, but as i said few weeks before the ban i was doing 5/g a week easy and wasn't holing or what not just to feel normal,

i found it some what addictive

I suppose, but 1.8g in a night? near enough everytime I had it I was having atleast 900mg in the space of about 4 hours, some nights I was having 200mg lines every half hour.. But didn't find anything addictive really, the feeling was nice mixed with beer at first.

The most dangerous night though, I had about 1g of MXE, about 12 litres of cider (I can drink up to about 24 litres of cider comfortably) and smoked just over a 1/4 of weed and to top off this concoction I had a benzo fury, not sure which one. But don't think it had much effect because I was sick about 5 minutes after taking the Benzo (this was before I took anything else) and was just frothy sick which looked like the pill was trying to digest and my stomach just rejected it.