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yanker said:
Well we gota make due w the information we have and since I'm confident that almost every pill in circulation gets reported at one time or another on pr then I gota go by those facts presented to me. I'm glad we agree on sumtin at least. Don't let em find out in ce&p ;)
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This is the same logic the government uses when they ban substances and tell us that they turn your brain to swiss cheese... they exaggerate and people call bullshit... thats whats going on here... if we want to beat them we need to do better than theyre doing... we need to base things entirely on reality and being honest and open communication... if you know somethijg then teach people... teaching them isnt telling them... its showing them all the facts and evidence... not speculation, scare tactics, overconfidence, or assumption :)
 
Well to answer the original ? You can have a good experiance or a bad one thats the chance you take. Try to get ur pills from someone u. Trust. Get the kit and have someone around whose experianced for the first time u drop. That way u have someone lookin out for u. Good luck.
 
Chemically Insane said:
This is the same logic the government uses when they ban substances and tell us that they turn your brain to swiss cheese... they exaggerate and people call bullshit... thats whats going on here... if we want to beat them we need to do better than theyre doing... we need to base things entirely on reality and being honest and open communication... if you know somethijg then teach people... teaching them isnt telling them... its showing them all the facts and evidence... not speculation, scare tactics, overconfidence, or assumption :)
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Umm well explain to me how taking the FACTS off of pillreports is scare mongoring? R u really gona make me go home tonight after a long day of work and add up all the fakes verses legit pills posted on pillreports? I really hope not because anybody can log on there and see what I stated is hardly scare mongoring. Whats irresponsible of u is to sit there and sugarcoat the facts and say those percentages I stated are wrong. Because some newbie can read ur statement and say "oh the percentages aren't that bad let me not test and drop it" then BAM there dead or in the hospital. Wheres the harm reduction on ur end?
What I'm stating is FACT what ur stating is some anti government bullshit which I don't necessarily disagree with u on but go over to ce&p and discuss that that has no bearing on this convo!
 
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yanker said:
Umm well explain to me how taking the FACTS off of pillreports is scare mongoring? R u really gona make me go home tonight after a long day of work and add up all the fakes verses legit pills posted on pillreports? I really hope not because anybody can log on there and see what I stated is hardly scare mongoring. Whats irresponsible of u is to sit there and sugarcoat the facts and say those percentages I stated are wrong. Because some newbie can read ur statement and say "oh the percentages aren't that bad let me not test and drop it" then BAM there dead or in the hospital. Wheres the harm reduction on ur end?
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I dont suggest swaying the facts in either direction... the government does the fear mongering, the shady drug dealers do the sugar coating, here at bluelight were going to go with fact as our platform...

You can disagree, you can question them, you can present your own facts... but you cant just shoot off generalizations based on your seat of the pants assumptions as a "fact"... and when people question your facts or present counter fafts you cant belittle them or resort to namecalling... you can answer the question or you can pass or you can ask a counter question...

And to be fair the first guess was closest to his source, his second farther away, his third farther yet... this leads me to believe his source was unknown to him when he made his first 3 guesses...

Yanker, i appreciate your input and standing up for what you think, but it seems to me you arent seeing but the last couple posts... start from the beginning of the thread and get back to me if you still feel im trying to prove anyone wrong except for making assuptions... i keep repeating it yet everyone seems to miss that part 8)
 
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yanker said:
Umm well explain to me how taking the FACTS off of pillreports is scare mongoring?
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in this case, it's not the data that's the problem, it's how you're (plural) making assumptions based on the data that's the problem.

again, the only thing that "9 out of 10 pills sent to the lab contained no mdma" proves is that 9 out of 10 pills sent to that lab contained no mdma.

sure, you can draw certain general conclusions by extrapolating from that sample to the general population but agnetha and others have explained why reliance on a single, self-selecting, sample-biased source isn't even a very convincing argument let alone proof of anything.

alasdair
 
Chemically Insane said:
You can disagree, you can question them, you can present your own facts... but you cant just shoot off generalizations based on your seat of the pants assumptions as a "fact"... and when people question your facts or present counter fafts you cant belittle them or resort to namecalling... you can answer the question or you can pass or you can ask a counter question...
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I never called anyone a name in this thread.


But understandably, I got angry when you try and imply that MOST pills in the US market are fake. Because it's completely true, and no one with a brain would try and deny it.

It is a FACT that people need to know. If you want me to stop telling the truth, I guess you're just going to have to ban me :\



Go out to a rave this weekend and buy a pill, any pill that is going around in large numbers. Ask people which are the best, and find a pill that people seem to be "rolling" off of. It will still be fake.

It's something that I will put money on, $5 to anyone who can buy a random pill that turns out to be pure MDMA. Excluding those outside of the US of course.

Even in Cali you'll have a hard time finding a pure MDMA pill at a rave, most are MDMA plus meth.
 
Chemically Insane said:
I dont suggest swaying the facts in either direction... the government does the fear mongering, the shady drug dealers do the sugar coating, here at bluelight were going to go with fact as our platform...

You can disagree, you can question them, you can present your own facts... but you cant just shoot off generalizations based on your seat of the pants assumptions as a "fact"... and when people question your facts or present counter fafts you cant belittle them or resort to namecalling... you can answer the question or you can pass or you can ask a counter question...

And to be fair the first guess was closest to his source, his second farther away, his third farther yet... this leads me to believe his source was unknown to him when he made his first 3 guesses...

Yanker, i appreciate your input and standing up for what you think, but it seems to me you arent seeing but the last couple posts... start from the beginning of the thread and get back to me if you still feel im trying to prove anyone wrong except for making assuptions... i keep repeating it yet everyone seems to miss that part 8)
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Well I apologize if I don't have the full story yea I guess I jumped in here when I saw everybody coming down on his 70% statistic cause I believe that number to be true as a nation and then I was under the impression I was getting attacked for my 90% eastcoast statistic which I stand by with evidence backing me up and bout 19k rollers also saying "where the fuck is all the e at"? My concern is educating people with the knowledge that real mdma pills in the states are few and far between and to sugercoat it any other way is not in the name of harm reduction.
 
alasdairm said:
in this case, it's not the data that's the problem, it's how you're (plural) making assumptions based on the data that's the problem.

again, the only thing that "9 out of 10 pills sent to the lab contained no mdma" proves is that 9 out of 10 pills sent to that lab contained no mdma.

sure, you can draw certain general conclusions by extrapolating from that sample to the general population but agnetha and others have explained why reliance on a single, self-selecting, sample-biased source isn't even a very convincing argument let alone proof of anything.

alasdair
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Again ur misquoting me seems to be a habit of people on here hmm. I said not taking into act edata lab testing results because we all know only a select few ever get sent in. I'm talking bout pillreports. Ill reiterate that in caps PILLREPORTS where almost every pill in circulation gets reported on in the US. U can't possibly sit there and tell me that there are dozens of legit presses circulating the US that the mass majority are not aware of. That's absurd. Almost every pill in circulation gets reported on pr reguardless if they are mdma or bunk at one time or another during the lifespan of circulation. If I'm wrong then show me where all the great high quality presses that are being stored away from the rest of the population are. And also pleas explain to me how taking info from pillreports not edata is a self selecting sample biased scource again please for the simple folk like myself?
 
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Folley said:
I never called anyone a name in this thread.


But understandably, I got angry when you try and imply that MOST pills in the US market are fake. Because it's completely true, and no one with a brain would try and deny it.


It is a FACT that people need to know. If you want me to stop telling the truth, I guess you're just going to have to ban me :\



Go out to a rave this weekend and buy a pill, any pill that is going around in large numbers. Ask people which are the best, and find a pill people seem to be "rolling" off of. It will still be fake

It's something that I will put money on, $5 to anyone who can buy a random pill that turns out to be pure MDMA. Excluding those outside of the US of course.

Even in Cali you'll have a hard time finding a pure MDMA pill at a rave, most are MDMA plus meth.
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As 99% probable that it may be fake, it is by no means a fact. In the UK i'd say 80-90% pills sold at raves are fake and contain no MDMA, this is by no means a fact though merely my speculations. HR is built on facts, not speculations and well-educated guesses.
 
yanker said:
Again ur misquoting me...
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i wasn't quoting you at all. if i was quoting you it would look like this:
yanker said:
I'm talking bout pillreports. Ill reiterate that in caps PILLREPORTS where almost every pill in circulation gets reported on in the US.
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almost every pill in circulation gets reported? how are you measuring that? how do you know about pills that aren't being reported?

alasdair
 
this thread should be closed imo.

this what it looks like to me:

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