11th Issue Heroin Discussion v. So I warmed the piss up in my mouth

[Swain]

Man when I had pre-trail testing for the state of Pennsylvania it was fucking ANNOYING. FIrst of all, this was prior to any conviction (which my case was dismissed anyway), but I spent a fucking year calling that god damned color line every night and listening if my color was called, at which point I would have to drive 1.5 hours the following day for a urine test.

SASSI was the company PA was using to administer/test samples..and I had a hard enough time pissing at the methadone clinic when a dude would stand behind me in the bathroom. The setup in PA required someoen to literally stare at your dick from 3 feet away. They also had a nice big blown up poster of a 'wizzinator' conviction. There is no way I could have gotten away with using a fake dick though.. the dude basically was watching your dick like a hound.

Having never been in prison or in a golden shower porno, I found it really tough to piss with a 17 year old kid staring at my cock. After 3 minutes you would have to wait 15 minutes then try again.. i'dd have to piss SO bad but my lil dude would get hardcore stage fright half of the time. If I manatged to piss first try it was a fuckign major accomplishment for me to say the least lol. I would drink so much water on the way that id have to piss 5 minutes after giving my sample lol.

Oh and anyone considering warming their piss in their mouth.. PM me for instructions ;P lol. There is a science to it.

 

[trumandchiave]

man today was fucking hell coppin in chicago like its a drought or something man its getting harder and harder finding good solid diesel spot skull guys look like they finally got shutdown or just too goddamn scared to serve waiting there for like an hour had to go to the back up spot bulldogs were decent though must say even a little better than the skulls was shocked so for such a shitty day in the end i was happy good ol chitown

 

[ChinaCat13]

Any you guys been to an AA meeting? I've been to rehab twice (court ordered) but never actually went to a AA or NA at a churh or something.

Got a nice buzz on tonight with some oxycodone Drank some beers and Went fishing earlier caught a bass in the 30 min I was there.

I've been to both Harry. IMO, AA is full of pretentious pricks. NA is way more laid back. The only thing that got to me was all the talk about "god". I went to the meetings voluntarily though, and learned alot. Never got a sponsor or finished the "steps", but it was a good experience for me. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're ready to get clean. Which I was at the time. I remember sitting on my bed on 4th of July 2007 after shooting about 60 roxis, totally fucked up, and got on my comp and talked my friend out in cali into buying me a plane ticket. When I got out there of course my neighbor had oxys, so I used for another month then one day I called the NA hotline, desperate to get clean. They found someone to come pick me up and take me to my first meeting. I met some of the most awesome people, and actually got into a sober living, which I stayed in for about 6 months. I loved cali, and it was nice waking up without being dopesick, but being around all those people who were just as fucked up in the head as I was, evenutally you'll end up using again. Which I did. Borrowed the owner of the sober livings cadillac to take a nice little road trip to LA to get some black tar. Got wasted for 3 days and moved back to Illinois. lol. Sorry, just had to share that. Needless to say, haven't been back to a meeting since then, but have relapsed a couple times.

 

[xdefeatsy]

I've been to both Harry. IMO, AA is full of pretentious pricks. NA is way more laid back. The only thing that got to me was all the talk about "god". I went to the meetings voluntarily though, and learned alot. Never got a sponsor or finished the "steps", but it was a good experience for me. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're ready to get clean....

...but being around all those people who were just as fucked up in the head as I was, evenutally you'll end up using again. Which I did. Needless to say, haven't been back to a meeting since then, but have relapsed a couple times.

Quoted for truth. Basically my exact same experience with NA. I stuck with it for maybe 6 months before I ended up using again -- with people from the meetings -- copping in areas right around the corner from the meetings. I tried to go back to a couple meetings sporadically but I was high both times and just decided it wasn't for me.

 

[chinky]

so i went in today and he sees me sitting there waieting and is like "what are you doing here?" and im like im here to see you and hes like what happened? and i was like what do you mean? ? and he was like did you get arrested again? and i was like no this is my day to come in and he was like no i have you down for THURSDAY ..and i was like thats not what you told me..turns out i knew it was suppsed to be on thursday and thats what he wrote down in his book but in my little book he wrote today ..so if i didnt happen to double check when i had to go in i would have actually shown up on day he had down and not 2days late, like i would have been

Oh no chinky what are you going to do? Are you worried about failing a test? Caused wouldnt using friday of made you fail anyways?

I hope it works out fingers crossed xx

like i said in the post i wasnt too worried that he was gonna drop me cause he hasd givin me a months notice each time he has dropped me..with dope all you need is a good 3 days., un;less your a super heavy user so if friday was mhy last day i would be good

you gotta go in tomorrow chink? and did you use friday or today? if you just used on friday you should be good.

i used on sunday, so i would have been fucked but he didnt drop me

does your PO watch you piss? i beat many a test by substituting clean urine in a baby syringe taped to my leg with a heating pad and some rubber tubing. Works wonders. They can't even tell unless they literally are standing over you or maybe glance through a mirror. Even so, you just block most of it with your hand and just pretend to whizz as usual. Only problem is you won't get much pee in the cup.. but my PO always said "I don't need a lot, just an inch". Plus, it was kind of beneficial he used to test me at my house in my own bathroom and usually I just let the door open and he stood outside. I was facing away from him. I went from trying to detox and get clean before he came.. I never knew the exact date, but could usually predict the week 80% of the time. But I always had AT least 24 hours, sometimes 2-3 days notice he was coming so I was never caught off guard. So I went from worrying about being clean and detoxing and being sick to whatever.. if he came, I knew I could beat his test if he dropped me. My last year of parole was smooth sailing let me tell you.

ehh he goes into the bathroom with me but he doesnt sit there and watch..the last time i pissed i did it in the stall while he stood by the door cause there was someone else in there..if i needed to though a wizzanator would work or someother technique but when he gies me a months notice theres no reason for me not to piss clean..i likie the fact that i get clean for 4-5days everymonth even when im sure hes not dropping me..im not some fool who spits in the dudes the face and make a mockery of the situation

I totally forgot I had a presentation for school due this morning. Woke up and prepared for like 30 minutes and still killed that shit. Beers and grillin tonight. Got a few perqs I'm saving for later

How long you been seeing this PO chinky?

im like 15-16months in..been dropped twice, had one house visit thatr was unannounced but he didnt even come inside he just had me sign a sheet that said he stopped by, basicallyt he just was checking to make sure that i live were i say i live..funny thing about that was when he stopped by it was at like 9am and he asked for me and my gram was like hes not home and then he asked "Well does he live here" and then she was like who are you? and he told her he was my PO and she goes "oh hold on" then woke me up and he as like at first she said you wernt home and i was like yeah thats cause shes a good grandma and tells people im not home when they stop by or call the house..

 

[BluffBoy]

If it's real potent dope it takes me longer than just 3 days to get clean. Everyones body is different though. For me 4 full days will have me clean. Average to good dope is 2-3 days.

 

[Swain]

Honestly I think a lot of people convince them selves that it;s only 3 days but if you have a decent habit that is far from true. Not only is the actual withdrawal duration longer, you deal wtih paws, then the real battle is not picking up again. It's really easy to make plans about getting clean when your high but when in withdrawals reality sets in lol.

 

[jeebis]

oh god, finally some "good" anxiety. sitting here waiting for a couple 40mg opana. oh lordy...

 

[chinky]

i fully agree that 3days is pushint it close, thats why i try and take a good 5days when i know the test is goin down on the next visit,..hell the first test i gave myself a week..but im not an everyday user, and so far its worked out for me cause to me its better safe then sorry..

im kinda mad i didnt get that break this month cause the dope was shitty for most of it and right now im needing like 10bags to get high..4-5days off will drop me back down to like 5bags, not to mention my nose being unstuffed

 

[Unbreakable]

get yourself a vicks stick when your nose is stuffy

 

[Swain]

My bad I thought when eh said 3 days he was talking about withdrawals not the drug celaring your system for a drug test. But yeah 3 days minimum, if the test is of any importance don't be stupid, give it 5 days.

 

[Unbreakable]

btw chinky the dope you get never pops up for Benzo's? because I know some people cut the dope with benzo's, I have heard stories from friends that never did a bar in there whole life, but all did was dope & weed. They somehow pissed positive for benzo's , dope & weed... I hear that is a pretty common occurrence

 

[chinky]

it mihght be but no i havent failed a drop for anything yet..to be honest ive never even considered that but i wouldnt doubt it..i have looked up false positives and alot of OTC drugs will cause false positives but i never considered that happening tpo me..thats another reaspn why i get clean even after i take the drop causeif i were to fail i would cause a scene and demand ot be retested

and i got a sinus drops for when my nose is stuffed up but i try not to use them cause people have been known to get addicted to them..actrually my aunt got addicted to it in the 80s and it got to a ppoint wer eher nose would stay blocked up unless she took them..my gues was she was doing a bunh of oke back then but they all claain not to know why she ws using them back then..for me its "allergies" of course

 

[Swain]

Benzos is another thing that is VERY rare to be used to cut dope. Part of me wonders whether all these cuts people are discussiong like benzos, fent, etc.. if they would likely kind of dirty up a shot? Like if you are used to 100% translucent apple juice lookign shots, I would imagine if the shot is adulterated there is a good chance it might at teh very least make it murky or something. I am just speculating though.. no idea really.

I mean the large majority of benzos are not even water soluable so of all thigns to cut with, I dont get why youd use a benzo considering heroin is rarely if ever used orally, and being unsoluble in water it would not have an affect if you shot it (because it wouldn;'t even make it into your barrel, it would be filtered out), and if you sniffed it, well the effectiveness of benzos sniffed is awlays up for debate but I do know from experience that even though alprazolam for instance is not water soluable, it does have some affect sniffed, I am willing to bet its a big waste compared to orally taking it though.

But I did a google and there were a few people claiming mostly that they knew someone who tested for benzos but onyl shoots dope etc... yadda yadda

If they did use benzos as a cut I would assume they would have to choose one that was water soluble because other wise what would be the point?

I would love to see some actual tangible evidence of this dope cut with benzos or fent, like a single lab test or dea report, anything really. I mean I know it has happened in the history of heroin sales..even anthrax tainted dope (but it was not cut with antrax it was somethign ahvign to do wtih contamn'd poppies).

 

[Swain]

I am curious.. does anyone know if loperamide will cause a positive for opiates on a panel urine test? Someone mentioned that in the loperamide thread and it surpsied me, I did a google and all I could find was people asking the question and speculatory answers like "its an opiate itll test positive as one" mostly uneducated bullshit answers especially if the source is yahoo answers or somethin.

On a side note, I don;t trust testimony from any website that is not harm-reduction related. The people are ignorant and if educated at all about the drugs it's like they studied out of an FDA handbook. "Alprazolam has little risk of dependency" "The wtidhrawqals from buprenorphine are minor and short lived" "If your doctor says take 32mg bupe then he knows what he is talking about, listen to him, anything else would be risky and stuipd." lol.

Sometimes I get so peeved I nearly make a username just so I could log on and be like YOU ARE RETARDED!!! You can take opiates after taking suboxone it will not put you into PW's!!! I dunno where people pick up some of this stuff.. it must just be hear-say from talking to friends. I am just the type of person who likes to educate my self.. not go in blind and get raped in the end.

 

[Unbreakable]

I would love to see some actual tangible evidence of this dope cut with benzos or fent, like a single lab test or dea report, anything really. I mean I know it has happened in the history of heroin sales..even anthrax tainted dope (but it was not cut with antrax it was somethign ahvign to do wtih contamn'd poppies).

Speaking of different cuts. The march 2007 DEA microgram had an interesting submission. There were some buttons that were cut with Alprazolam (xanax) among other things. "Analysis of the powder by color testing and GC/MS indicated a mixture of acetaminophen, caffeine, heroin, and alprazolam. The exhibit was not quantitated, but the ratio of heroin to alprazolam was approximately 2:3, based on the TIC. This was the first known submission of capsules containing a mixture of heroin and alprazolam to the laboratory".

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0307/mg0307.html

 

[BluffBoy]

If you get dope with benzos in it, you probably gettin some flex dope.

Swain I agree 100 on the benzo cut thoughts. I just didn't feel like puttin it into words.

 

[chinky]

Speaking of different cuts. The march 2007 DEA microgram had an interesting submission. There were some buttons that were cut with Alprazolam (xanax) among other things. "Analysis of the powder by color testing and GC/MS indicated a mixture of acetaminophen, caffeine, heroin, and alprazolam. The exhibit was not quantitated, but the ratio of heroin to alprazolam was approximately 2:3, based on the TIC. This was the first known submission of capsules containing a mixture of heroin and alprazolam to the laboratory".

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0307/mg0307.html

i like the brike of dope with the picture of the scorpion and rams head on it that was found in hammond, IN.. which is about 30-40mins from me(right over the border) and that they were tested at 90% pure..wish i knew who had that fire lol

and even though i never tyried meth..that book with meth stained pages is pretty slick and im suprsed it got caught goin into county jail..i just wonder how they would extract it? maybe just rip it up and place it on their tongue?

 

[Swain]

Lol damn dude thats just horrible whoever cut dope with caffein and all that other shit must have decided to cut up their raw heroin the same day then were candy flipping or something

Honestly though when a seizure is so small, 2 capsules, it raises the question as to was there a whole batch of capsules that went out like this? Or did someone prepare a few capsules with these random cuts to rip off a customer or something or stretch the amount of dope they picked up to sell. It wouldn't be surprising if someone was fiending and they had no money and middle -manned a deal for someone only to take out half the heroin from each capsule replacing it with crazy cuts lol. Then again if they were doing that I don't know if they would choose alprazolam as one of those cuts rather than something free.

One interesting tidbit which just goes to show just how uncommon benzos are to be used as a cut for dope is the last sentence from that dea microgram "...This was the first known submission of capsules containing a mixture of heroin and alprazolam to the laboratory".

This is interesting..I was reading the references at the bottom of the page and they mention a forensic study of DNA profiling from street-level heroin packages in Isreal using fingerprints on the packaging. The actual reference is below. I always wondered if when cops seize dope, espeically if it's like a whole batch packaged up ready for sale, if they look for fingerprints & dna. Of course the workers will be using gloves, but who knows who touched it. maybe some mob boss.. and would it even matter if his prints are on some heroin> What does that prove? Also, when you have 10,000 bundles you can guarantee that some hair off your head, arms, whatever has somehow made itsway under some tape or into a bag. Can they use that to prove anything?

Zamir A, Cohen Y, Azoury M. DNA profiling from heroin street dose packages. Journal of Forensic Sciences 2007;52(2):389. [Editor's Notes: Presents the title study. DNA could be recovered from fingerprints along the “amorphic” burnt edges of the plastic wrap typically used to package street-level doses of heroin in Israel. Contact: Latent Fingerprint Laboratory, Division of Identification and Forensic Science (DIFS), Israel Police, National HQ, Jerusalem 91906, Israel.]

 

[chinky]

maybe they were gonna smoke it?