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All Things Fitness/Gym/Aesthetics 2012: So Homoerotic!

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Epic banter that 8)

Hahaha Dan I cant see that happening anytime soon. Ive never really held fat around the waste and not far off a 6 pack at the moment so its fair to say yes with this diet I am bound to gain some fat but concidering Im also working it off its not going to be a problem. Reckon by rockness which is approximately 6-7 weeks away I will be min 12.5 stone, thats a bare min only 0.6/7 stone to go so its a fairly conservative estimate, probably more like 13 if things continue to go well

The viagra shouts are quite funny Ill say that. Ive only ever taken it about 6-8 times yet apparently Im addicted and get a hard on hehe
 
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Epic banter that 8)

Hahaha Dan I cant see that happening anytime soon. Ive never really held fat around the waste and not far off a 6 pack at the moment so its fair to say yes with this diet I am bound to gain some fat but concidering Im also working it off its not going to be a problem. Reckon by rockness which is approximately 6-7 weeks away I will be min 12.5 stone, thats a bare min only 0.6/7 stone to go so its a fairly conservative estimate, probably more like 13 if things continue to go well

The viagra shouts are quite funny Ill say that. Ive only ever taken it about 6-8 times yet apparently Im addicted and get a hard on hehe
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You're right to be eating a lot, but go steady and maybe adjust your macros.

You said you've gained half a stone in two weeks, that's shitloads. 1lb a week is really, really good going if you're not on the juice. That means you're eating about 1500cals per day over your needs, if that all comes from pasta and white rice you'll get fat. Still, if you really want to bulk, I wouldn't worry too much about a bit of fat until you've built the muscle. You can shed a pound of fat per week just by adjusting your diet, much less effort required than trying to build a pound of muscle with a calorie deficit.
 
^jesus christ - doing that is intensely bad for your body.

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^ How much did that set you back? I've got a bench at home but it only goes up to 50kg which isn't great really, use it now and again when I don't make the gym for a few exercises. The gym is still better cos I can work out a different muscle group each day.

Would love to get into Muai Thai looks awesome one of my mates does it (he's a kickboxing instructor aswell) and he seems to love it. Turns you into an absolute machine aswell. Cardio that would actually be fun!!

I'm noticing without the ching at the weekends I've gained nearly half a stone in 2 weeks. Been eating about 8 meals a day, probably 5 big ones and 3 slightly smaller ones. Invested in a 3kg bag of pasta and a 3kg bag of rice, that was definately a good idea. Eating 2 pasta bowls of pasta a day, one rice later on usually after dinner. 2 pro shakes aswell as all those meals. Constantly stuffed is the only slight problem but least I'm not hungry and I'm definately getting it right with the diet finally
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You're eating too much. You haven't got the diet right at all. You'll burn out at like 60 if you do this to yourself.
 
waaaay too many shitty carbs. pasta isn't shitty per se, nor is rice but there are better carbs for building - oats if you can take em without shitting them out instantly. even the readybrek style ones are worth giving a shot and are sometimes a little easier on your sphincter, depends on your tollerance

more fish n veggies. more protein instead of the carbs. yes even though youre already having shakes.

look into the hemp suggestion Jack made. hemp flour is ace to add to your shakes. you can find it pretty cheap if you look hard. [edit] Same for hemp oil, which is sterling for your omegas and great to add to shakes] - sainsburys had a bargainous 500ml bottle of the Good Oil branded hemp oil for £4 the other week, so we stocked up

your current diet's gonna get you bulked and chubby looking with zero definition (which is what you seem to want), even if youre gyming the weights 4 times a week
 
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My day starts with porridge then 3 scrambled eggs on toast, freshly squeezed orange juice aswell. I then had a banana on toast. A chicken caeser samwich wih salad. Prawn pasta salad. Spicy chicken pasta...Dinner which was tonight my mum (who I've said previously is vege) a tofu/quorn whatever it was tastes like chicken and cooked vege mixed with wholegrain rice...Since then I've also had a homemade protein shake of 1 banana and 1 egg in a pint of green milk....

Probably drank about 2.5 pints of milk today. Pro biotic yogurt.. Alot of water. And 1 pro shake after the gym never managed the pre gym one as I was rushing.

Btl Rough Jack I dont care if I dont make 60 to be honest. We're not here for a long time as they say! Today I've actually eaten less than yesterday but then I was in town for quite a while which has probably made me miss a meal, spent about 90mins in the gym cos it was raining and my mate appeared just after I'd been there an hour.

I've already got enough definition that I can easily sacrafice a bit of it for a couple months. After that I'll go back to less food and flat out on the cardio will loose a bit of the bulk and have the definition only with more mass. I think with the diet and my current frame I can gain alot very quickly I was just not eating enough before. It would appear problem has been solved though.
 
That's where you are going wrong - you are eating way more than your body actually needs because you are making it do more than you need to. To fit a BULK ideal, instead of just becoming strong.

Well to be honest I care if you get to 60 bruv - I'm sure you will later too - I care about those around me and want them to treat their bodies like temples. We all slip up sometimes and do bad things for ourselves but we don't need to do more damage than we can possibly help.

Your method of stacking a bunch on, with almost no cardio, then doing more and more cardio and burning some of that bulk off is simply stressing your body out...you may not feel it for a long time, but it is, in a big way.

Gaining a lot of muscle quickly is not good for you period. It's better to put on 2 stone over a year, than it is to put it on in a few weeks/months - it will also keep it from falling off quickly if you don't keep the intense exercise regime up(more or less the same principle why losing weight is better if you do it slowly, so then if you fuck up your body will be more forgiving and start putting it on again slower too).

If you cultivate this BULK-ON-QUICK(quick fix..quick fix) constitution like you're doing, you're going to need to keep the exercise and extra food intake up, otherwise it will drop off very rapidly - Not healthy at all, I've been there, and I know others have too - it's much better to spend 3 years doing something the right way, than it is to rush it into 8 months - your body will thank you, so will your children and grand kids.
"give something the love it deserves and it will reward you"
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If you don't intend to hit 60 why do any exercise at all? You might as well just party on!! Nah - it's because a big part of you wants to live a long happy life.

You should look up food combining - because judging by what you've eaten today, you don't know good nutrition. Before you get on the defensive/offensive about me taking the piss out of your education, I didn't til 2 years ago either(school don't teach you how to take care of yourself properly- they teach you to be co-dependent on state) - I'm just giving you a heads up.

It's simply the science of food digestive processes, and how to maximise your digestive efficiency - which means you will need to eat less, and be able to assimilate it properly. After that diet you're on, I dread to think what it's like when you go for a shit - and I know this coz I been down that road. That orange juice on top of that porridge/scrambled egg/toast mix will ferment up like a treat in your alimentary canal. = lessening your digestive efficiency, and that's just the start of how I could criticize what you're eating. It's all healthy food aye, but the way you're combining it isn't. Seriously dude look up food combining.

Is your metabolism quick? If so, then the amount of work you're doing, and the amount of food you're putting into it, is simply going to speed your metabolic fires up, and burn your body quicker than ever before. You're literally killing yourself by feeding it more than it can cope with(so it needs to stoke up your internal fires to get rid of it), because you're doing more work than it your body should handle...

BUT you will get bulked up for a short while...possibly longer if you have the obsessive discipline to keep that regime up.

I'm out - it's sleeptime.

ALSO - 90 minutes in the gym?!?- it's much better for your body, and easier to put on serious strength and weight, if you exercise consisently throughout the day, instead of making your body rush through stuff in the space of 1/2/3 hours. Just a last tip.

I've personally never been so strong as I am now since implementing all of this, but my muscle is becoming lean and wirey iron(instead of what you're building - bulky weaker, slower muscle MASS) - and while I can't bench 5 reps of 75kg right now - , I can carry 60 kilos in my arms for a lot longer than it takes to do 5 reps.

EDIT: PS Marmalade really knows what she talking bout.
 
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Guys, there is no right or wrong form of fitness. Everyone has different aims. If you want to have a healthy cardiovascular system then do HIIT, LISS, distance running or whatever is the latest popular form of cardio happens to be. If you want to be strong, concentrate on powerlifting exercises in low rep ranges. If you want to increase muscle size, do hypertrophy training etc, etc.

Bodybuilding does not equal massive physiques, bodybuilding is aiming to increase muscle size and sculpt the body. You can be a bodybuilder and aim to have a fairly small physique but be very defined. There are different bodybuilding associations, it’s only the IFBB pros that get a lot of attention because they do look like mutants. Bodybuilding is body modification and it does not have to be linked to being a narcissistic cunt. People who modify their bodies in other ways such as tattoos, piercings are not treated in the same manner. Like the phrase that is repeated so much on drug forums goes, it's your own body; you can do what you want with it.

Rockstar, your diet looks pretty decent. Look into something called: IIFYM (If it fits your macros). You are gaining weight pretty fast and as George says, you want to aim for about 1lb/week but go off what you look like in the mirror not what the scales say. Your weight will fluctuate from holding water and the like, weighing yourself is misleading and a good way to get obsessed. Like I said on the a few pages back, use the rule of 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight. I think you said you were 11.5 stone so that's 161lb so aim for 161g of protein, more is a bonus though! After you've hit your protein, it really isn't so important how you get the rest of your cals. Obviously, don't eat in all in butter haha but really it isn't worth concentrating on so much as your diet is fairly varied. Don't worry about being on a calorific surplus in relation to your longevity, I can't believe people are bringing this up when you're talking about combining booze, coke (cocaethylene - cardiotoxic as fuck already) and possibly viagra together!!

Marmalade, when you bulk you put on muscle and fat. You don't put on some sort of hybrid inferior muscle that is all soft and fatty. They're different things. Yes you put on fat but the only way to stay lean and bulk is to use anabolics which everyone seem to be vehemently against in this thread.

People that are saying don't do so and so to attract the other gender/same gender, it depends on the person like Samhain said earlier in the thread. Everyone has different tastes. There is no general consensus to 'what girls like' (if there is plz can someone fill me in?) As a general rule people don't like body extremes but even they have their own niche fanbase! If you want to attract someone, I'd say put more time and effort into improving your personality, improving your facial aesthetics, find a fashion style that fits you, learn to be confident etc. Aim for whatever you want in terms of fitness in terms of personal benefit, don't do it to please or attract other people.

Effie, some of us macho weightlifters meditate, read books, do psychedelics and all sorts of other things that don't fit the stereotype :p
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Edit: Jack, we have massively different views on diet so I won't get into that. Your advice comes from a well meaning perspective but your aims seem to be different to Rockstar's. He wants to get bigger, you seem to be persuing weightlifting in terms of health benefits. Also, you mention putting two stone of muscle in a year as a good amount, someone would do very well even whilst bulking constantly to put on two stone of muscle mass in that time! Bulking naturally is not that quick, muscle is slow to build, slow to lose.
 
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Thank god somebody actually has a clue round here then.....Bottle of Rough Jack I'm sorry but I'm going to be brutally honest, I never bothered reading half of that because your last post (IMO) was complete nonsense. Fair do's if you do things one way, but that's not the way I do them, nor do I have any interest in doing things your way. I'm sure it works for you.

Ascii that is exactly how I am going by progress to be honest, how I look/feel. Although it's nice to step on the scales and realise you are gaining the beef you want. I'm not really doing more than about a half hour of cardio in a week at the moment, I walk about enough just going round town and getting to the gym. Quick bash and the rowing machine and tread mill once a week is enough, I'm not seeing any unwanted fat really.

RE the viagra thing as I've said somewhere else not sure what thread, and the coke for that matter.. I do not use coke every weekend, probably about every 3 weeks/month, I've not had it in 3 weeks. Viagra I've not had in at least 5-6 weeks and only done about 6-8 times in my life, mainly when best mate was selling heaps of them.

The diet I've got is absolutely spot on for bulking, send that to any bodybuilder or post it on any bodybuilding forum and I'm pretty sure they would tell you that's spot on for bulking. I've got everything in there all different types of carbs and fibre, protein, fruit, vege, milk, water. To say it's a shit diet to be quite frank I would like to know why exactly. Most of those carbs aswell have been eaten before the gym and are being burned off in the gym.

If Bottle Rough Jack is saying 90mins exercise is a bad way of doing it you should exercise over the course of a day.....sorry but bullshit you really do not know what you are talking about. If your going to do exercise your muscles need time to recover after. It's why I'm doing my chest and biceps monday, back and abs tuesday, day off wed, shoulders and triceps thursday, legs and biceps again friday. Weekend off. It allows everything time to recover, the muscles repair themselves and grow. If you just work your biceps or chest everyday it probably won't grow very much at all, not enough healing time. Not even if you don't want to get bigger, just stronger, that is useless. Just do more reps of less weight for strength and stamina.

As for the chat about don't do that your going to put off the other gender I agree with Ascii that's all down to who's looking. There's a few on the go there so I'm not all that bothered, when I'm 1.5stone heavier than what I am now then start cutting I will still be seeing ones just as nice if not nicer..

And also agree with the stereotype thing. I'm actually reading the Rum Diaries at the moment believe it or not. Sounds like I've got a bit of catching up to do on the meditation, wouldn't mind getting into that and massage which I can actually do but am just never chilled enough to bother. Will get round to it one day ;)
 
I'm with you Rockstar I know nothing about the ins and outs of body building etc. but its not entirely about health that I do know, you do what you want to do in order to try and get the body shape and form you want, some people take roids, some have surgery all to try and achieve the same thing.

Its personal and if thats what you want to do then its your body, its the only thing that's truly yours so do with it as you will. Nothing your doing sounds too extreme given I've known quite a few people go down the chemical route.

But don't start complaining now about people taking the piss out of your 3 Vs posts, you have created the monster now you have to deal with it ;)
 
Well like said you guys obviously know much more about the actual mechanisms and mechanics of diet and exercise than I do.

But my angle was more about should we really be coming at this from health point of view, Rockstar is clearly interested in the aesthetic not running a marathon, putting on loads of bulk could be considered unhealthy, depending on what you compare it to.

Not really my field of interest just making the point that if he has a system that is working for him then let him be, I've known quite a few people into body building of varying extremes and they all seem to say something different.

He's clearly got knowledge and seems to know what he's doing, what he describes in his days easting doesn't sound bad to me compared to the crap most people eat.

I'm keeping out from here on in its not a field I have any knowledge on or interest in, if you guys want to ramble on about carbs, bulking out and definition stuff, I guess that is what th thread is for. I'm just glad I'm not a fat feker anymore, that'll do for me :)
 
^ His diet doesn't seem bad COMPARED TO THE CRAP MOST PEOPLE EAT - listen to yourself you're comparing it to unhealthy eaters fullstop - they shouldn't even come into it. How he's eating is not healthy, and there should never be less than a 2 hour gap between snack/meals - your body needs time to digest.

He has knowledge of a particular system - not health - he's going for the aesthetic which is NARCISSISTIC, plain and simple. EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this world should be concerned with being strong, that's it. Strong and confident, and there will be someone out there who finds you very attractive. ANything less is stooping to ideals - which is a very bad road to go down.

Fair enough Rockstar if you ain't gonna listen to me, I've given you some of my best - go for bulking out, I don't really care, I would just like to see someone do what's good for their body instead of a quick fix.

WHen you say it's bollocks - well whatever you say dude - you obviously know best - it's not like I've spent 4 years studying and going the tried and tested route or anything. ;) By going to the gym for an hour and hitting it hard a day is MUCH worse for you than exercising all day. Simple. It's stressing the body out, your body does have time to recover - it's called sleep. Then when you wake up the next day you just exercise the whole day in little pieces too. You will get really really strong and you endurance will be much better, and you will live longer and healthier.

ASCII - I was giving an example about weight fluctuation, just throwing some numbers in the air coz Codders said he put on 7 lb in 2 weeks! Simply saying that quick weight boost is more stressful for your organism, than gaining the same thing over a good amount of time, by doing moderately vigorous exercise, insteaf of caning it.

I'm done in here. I will continue posting, but I'm done with trying to change your mind RS69, as you clearly know better, ya wee ignorant scallywag - maybe in a years time we can have a boxing match and I'll kick your fucking arse.

Your diet is awful, and Ascii you have no idea about proper nutrition - fair enough it may be a bodybuilders way of feeding yourself, but it's not combining foods properly, and it's too much food. He's simply ruining himself - he will burn out much earlier than he has to.

WOw it's good to see you have experience with how to body scult, but it's doing it in a very unhealthy way, and it stresses the body out more than it has to.
 
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When the american Swimming team was training for the last olympics, they were clocking up 12,000 calories a day.

How long does anyone think thats sustainable for? Seriously?

There retired shortly after there teenage years.

Kind of says it all really, regardless of whether your burning off those excess calories its neither reccomended, sustainable, and its defitnley not healthy.
 
Yes but the thing with bulking then cutting is you are not going to be eating that much for any prolonged period of time are you. It's a 2 month job then cut the calories and do more cardio after ie cutting. If you want to gain weight/size aswell as strength this way is FAR more effective than working every group of muscles daily and eating standard 3 meals a day as Btl O Rough Jack is suggesting. We're on 2 totally different planets what you are talking about, exercising over the course of a day would help with stamina and endurance yes, but it is certainly not going to help with getting bigger and stronger.

And your crack with getting personal basically shows what an idiot you are. I'm a scally but your the one who resorts to name calling or saying you'll kick my ass in a boxing match hahaha epic!!


Rockstar is clearly interested in the aesthetic
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Rockstar im not arguing for the sake of arguing or because its you, this pictures staying up for no longer than half an hour, and youve probally seen it before.

Edit: Pics gone, that was the point of this post, to show you its completley uneccesary to yo yo diet and exercise or practice eating unhealthy amounts of calories, everything is achievable by other means and practicing fitness and health for life.

Im not a vain person and but i can guarantee you underneath my vest i have ripped abs and low body fat, ive never suffered a weight problem in my life, in fact while training the way i do i can drop an inch or two on my waistline while at the same time building muscle, sounds impossible doesnt it? I can guarantee its all true.

What do i eat, ill tell you what i eat, about 2,500 calories a day, and its a very lean and clean diet that consisist of grilled steaks and skinless chicken breasts, oily fish, eggs, cottage cheese, fresh fruit and vegetables and unrefined carbs: mainly sweet potato and oatmeal, and i also eat a little low fat dairy.

Thats me last autumn at 40 years old doing hiit cardio in 20/ -30 minute sessions followed by strength training 3 times a week in one hour sessions, just the classic stuff, deadlifts, squat rack, chin ups and working the whole body as one would normally do.

I have a 31 inch waist.

Please do not try and suggest sports science doesnt no what its talking about or that your way is the right way which was/is being taught/handed down by gossip and knowledge 10 or 20 years ago between guys in changing rooms, they no alot more now than they ever did back then.
 
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