Random MSN Gibberings LXXXXI: Homing in on the scent of Shambles

[Myshkin]

I can only find as far back as 1997, but have a look at Table III here.

You'll see that the overwhelming (and I mean overwhelming) majority of samples of fantastic nineties acid blotter were in the 25 microgram dose range.

Go to Table IV and you'll see that even during something of an acid drought (2005), the Swiss samples tested on average twice that strength.

This is all just mere fact though, so don't take it too seriously.

 

[Marmalade]

eh, that's ace news atm, especially on the homefront. starting a new job from a good headspace and after a decent break is a bit of a rare opportunity and alignment of stars so to speak

helloooooooo and a very good morning to you all

this year is going far too fast. ah well

Dan, didn't you say a while back you were changing shift patterns and going from a 5/6am start to something like 10am? thought that sounded like a bit of a tough one, since you'd already put in the hard work over winter on the earlies, and working the early shift in summer normally pays back in spades mentally.

how's getting back home later in the day? I think I'd feel raped of my evenings, if I'd been used to getting back at 3ish

 

[Marmalade]

I can only find as far back as 1997, but have a look at Table III here.

You'll see that the overwhelming (and I mean overwhelming) majority of samples of fantastic nineties acid blotter were in the 25 microgram dose range.

Go to Table IV and you'll see that even during something of an acid drought (2005), the Swiss samples tested on average twice that strength.

This is all just mere fact though, so don't take it too seriously.

hah!

I understand the glory days/rosey coloured LCD/MDMA 90's spex thing, but I'm still thinking he might not realise you meant documented tests. we'll see when he checks out the thread I guess.

 

[brimz]

Right then HI My Kin Folk

So who did i insult last nite ?

I think it was just Sam so thats cool
I'll read the Acid Debate in a bit
but those 1993 Strawberries that if you were in the S/W at the time you will remember were the peak of fukin strong acid at that year Glastonbury half of the 150,000 folk there were on em .

Seem to remember tryin to make up some lyrics for Petey Boy as well haha
The demon drink !! See what it can make you do .

I still havea bottle of Westons in the Fridge i can't look at it for fear of throwing up right now.

Script day so i been out n got shouted at by my facist chemist (Sainsburys )

You have to tell us if yor coming in before 9am

Kin ell they were open .

Anyhow all good in the hood or to be specific the subsidised public housing amongst a private development

 

[brimz]

hah!

I understand the glory days/rosey coloured LCD/MDMA 90's spex thing, but I'm still thinking he might not realise you meant documented tests. we'll see when he checks out the thread I guess.

there was sstill plenty blotters coming in at 115 or so ,

I think well my experience suggests that the strength peaked in 1993 with them strawberries double dipped yeah a gimmick bu it was true with them .
Sure i've spoken to other early 90s ravers about them on here as well...

Come on you lot you must remember but then again they broke a few people mentally begining of the end it was 93/4 for that free party scene
Criminal justice bill put paid to outdoor free parties
Which the S/W was FAmous for cos we have plenty of fields and stuff n ahuge travelling contigent loads of sites around BAThBristol Wiltshire .
Band&Wicked mentionedd one the other day a big one but one of many.

The people that are still on the road from those days (yeah their are still a few0 i had adrink with some mates last week when they were passing through the Spa City some folk not seen in 15 years.

Mainly travel in Spain /Portugal these days better drugs less police hassle more sites etc

 

[Marmalade]

Brimilla Ice* emerged last night for a brief moment ... the pete lyrics were rather good. pete seemed to like em anyways.

I bet Sam wishes he'd got your poetry instead of a repetition of the EADD classics.



* I know you sercretly love the Van Wankle when you think no-ones looking ;p


[edit] juuust saw your post ... which is veering towards conclusive evidence that Samantha was right n i was wrong. You've got your rosey tints on ... eh, we all do it tho, so it's not a dig

 

[brimz]

Brimilla Ice* emerged last night for a brief moment ... the pete lyrics were rather good. pete seemed to like em anyways.

I bet Sam wishes he'd got your poetry instead of a repetition of the EADD classics.



* I know you sercretly love the Van Wankle when you think no-ones looking ;p


[edit] juuust saw your post ... which is veering towards conclusive evidence that Samantha was right n i was wrong. You've got your rosey tints on ... eh, we all do it tho, so it's not a dig

Never been called that .

Made me chuckle it did really very good
not fake lols8(

Some one find out about those Strawberries and then you will know .
Brimz in determined mood to prove this .
Of course the tint is their but 100,of thousands of us can't all be wearing them shirley?

 

[brimz]

I can only find as far back as 1997, but have a look at Table III here.

You'll see that the overwhelming (and I mean overwhelming) majority of samples of fantastic nineties acid blotter were in the 25 microgram dose range.

Go to Table IV and you'll see that even during something of an acid drought (2005), the Swiss samples tested on average twice that strength.

This is all just mere fact though, so don't take it too seriously.

Yet nothing for the early 90s ...

how odd that is the era i'm specifically talking about

 

[Allein]

I understand the glory days/rosey coloured LCD/MDMA 90's spex thing, but I'm still thinking he might not realise you meant documented tests. we'll see when he checks out the thread I guess.

Those tests start in 1997 which is well and truly past the "glory days" however since I haven't taken any acid since about '96 and that was then it was rare occasion I can only really comment on what I had in the late 80's very early 90's and since I have no control test I wouldn't be able to guess at the actual contents.

I have to say I don't but into any of the nostalgia about the drugs being better, drugs are drugs, they are chemical compounds and come in different quantities I really think that's all there is to say. Mots of the variation in MDXX pills can be put down to either them being a variant of MDMA or a mix of MDMA and a variant or something else together.

Acid...well lets get real there is no such thing as bad acid, I here all the stuff about worse or better synths causing different effects, the strychnine thing still get wheeled out every now and again. If its Acid its acid end of, set and setting are what is to blame here,much the same could be said about pills (MDXX) I'd see people at parties sat on the floor moaning on about being "monged out" and them having smack in them and I'd be up and running like a Rolls Royce jet engine :D

 

[breakcorefiend]

morning all,
doc's at 10.20 so hopefully some antibiotics come my way, cannot get warm, flat at full temp, hoody on n everything, fucking sucks, coughing guts riight up also

spliff will cure all, and optrex redeye drops fool doc

 

[Myshkin]

Yet nothing for the early 90s ...

how odd that is the era i'm specifically talking about

As I said, the earliest test results I can find from the nineties are from 1997. There are seemingly no studies available for the years between 1986 and 1997.

Obviously, this is probably due to the fact that everybody was too fucked out of their brains on the wonderful, never-surpassed drugs that were circulating back in that golden period of history (Ref: Brimz, Bluelight Publishing, 2012).

Good luck at the doctor's BCF! Don't mention yer drug use, eh?

 

[Furious George]

Though it was good of Sam to link to data, it was less good of him to be a condescending prick about it .

There is nothing in that Data that precludes the possibility of very strong acid being available to Brimz in the early 90's. Stuff seized in Spain, Switzerland and the US from the late 90"s onwards has little to do with the UK scene of that time.

 

[brimz]

Though it was good of Sam to link to data, it was less good of him to be a condescending prick about it .

There is nothing in that Data that precludes the possibility of very strong acid being available to Brimz in the early 90's. Stuff seized in Spain, Switzerland and the US from the late 90"s onwards has little to do with the UK scene of that time.

Spot on short & to the point.

Sam till you get me some evidence from the golden era of 87/93 you have nothing i have evidence it might not be on a fancy website but it is from people that were their .....

 

[Myshkin]

Though it was good of Sam to link to data, it was less good of him to be a condescending prick about it .

It's what I do. Petal.

There is nothing in that Data that precludes the possibility of very strong acid being available to Brimz in the early 90's.

Never said there was. Though if you think that data from Switzerland in particular is irrelevant to the UK scene, I beg to differ.

As we say in the LSD thread continually Brimz, subjectivity is a big part of the LSD experience. And anecdotal evidence has its value, sure (even when filtered through a couple of decades and apparent nostalgia), but scientific fact (from fancy websites and that) will always carry more weight.

 

[Marmalade]

but to be fair, in this instance the scientific evidence is not quite there yet .. or hasn't emerged, no?

 

[Myshkin]

but to be fair, in this instance the scientific evidence is not quite there yet .. or hasn't emerged, no?

No it hasn't, but unless there was a huge deviation in trends between 1986 and 1997 then the data that are available would seem to indicate a tendency toward lower doses on average. You'll notice I said on average in my earlier post, something which both Brimz and George seem to have overlooked in their argumentative zeal. I'm not saying Brimz didn't have access to some great LSD, just that all the data available seems to give the lie to his assertion that nineties acid was somehow 'stronger'.

Set, setting, yawn.

 

[Furious George]

It's what I do. Petal.



Never said there was. Though if you think that data from Switzerland in particular is irrelevant to the UK scene, I beg to differ.

As we say in the LSD thread continually Brimz, subjectivity is a big part of the LSD experience. And anecdotal evidence has its value, sure, but scientific fact will always carry more weight.

You should spend a little time learning about what constitutes scientific fact. If you believe that it is scientific to take sample sizes of of less than 100 (and as low as 6) and declare them to be representative then you're confused. That data means very little.

I'm glad you posted it up, it's nice that you have a strong view, just think you're being too narky with Brimz on this one.

 

[Myshkin]

You should spend a little time learning about what constitutes scientific fact.

No, ta. I'd rather have a cup of tea and a fondant fancy if you don't mind.

I'm only presenting what's available - I'm not responsible for the data, and beside that the 1997 sample was in excess of two thousand.

Why so furious, George?

 

[brimz]

Strawberries yawn

 

[dee_dee]

Theres one very big thing that happened Sam with drugs in Uk in the late 80's/early 90's, and thats it became extremley commercially viable.