Alcoholism discussion thread v. 5.0

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mami and sarcophagus.heels, this thread isn't just for success stories!! We're all here for each other, to provide support during the good times AND the not-so-good times.
What is going on for both of you at the moment, that is making you drink more? Anything in particular?


Thank you atm23 and Sepher <3
 
^ Oh, I know that! I'm just in one of those moods where listening to other people starting to overcome their demons just makes me feel like shit for not being able to get past mine. Which doesn't mean that I'm not happy for neo, sepher, and atm23, I'm just not in a good place right now and am letting silly things get to me.

As for what is getting to me, I guess it's a couple of things. For one, I'm taking a trimester off from school so that I can take some time to get a little less crazy and stop being such a dumbfuck in all my classes. I've been in contact with my pdoc who is getting me in contact with a nearby hospital for their psych out-patient treatment program, but in the meantime I've had way too much time to myself, and I have a tendency to drive myself crazy when left to my own devices for too long. And I'm just generally feeling like a failure at life, but that's really nothing new.
 
Well my GF went out of town at 8 am this morning. I got bored and started drinking around 11.. trying to sobering up now before she comes home in about 2 hours (it's 6).

I haven't really been drinking since I've been with her, which is slightly over a year. But whenever I'm free, whether it be at home or when I'm out of town visiting friends (I moved away a few months ago), I manage to slam down the booze. I have fun when I'm with my friends, but when I'm alone I just get miserable. =/

I used to be in a real bad way, but I've made definite progress. Just wish I had some fucking willpower on my own some times. Can't really complain though, I've (mostly) got my act together except for when I slip up.
 
That is a good question, what is going on to inspire the drinking.

I would say

My daughter is moving back with me in August....leaving me time to drink until then. "Everyone" says it, and I'm feeling it too: I know I will stop at THAT time.

I've only been at daily drinking since 4 months ago. I'm keeping the fire tame at a few beers only (or wine) and only after 5 or 8 pm.
("Only...only...only.")

Still, the obsession. I'm drinking because I can't stop thinking about drinking. It doesn't make me elated. I drink to get rid of the annoying thought.

Otherwise, life is going super swell. Better than ever if you can believe it.
 
the last month or so has been a disaster, the only relief i get is through wine, fuck it, i would rather drink myself to death like my mum did than experience the misery i seem to expereince sober, i am so close to relapsing with opiates, wine is just keeping it at bay and its so damn cheap

what is more important happiness or a healthy life? i am sure the two can be combined but for me they seem a world apart, i am sick of anxiety and depression. wine, solitude, weed, diazapan and music seem to be the only way to have a ounce of happiness.

I know alcohol does not help depression, but at least it temporarily fixes the problem, and on the plus side it tastes great

I despise myself, at least i am a mellow alcoholic so other than my own self loathing my drinking does not cause drama

i have given up
 
mami said:
Don't want to junk up this thread but I'm really struggling with cravings right now. They are happening earlier and earlier in the day.

Still holding out till 5pm...

sarcophagus.heels said:
^ I'm with you, mami....don't want to break up all the resounding successes in this thread, but things aren't so rosy at this end, unfortunately.

You two... :)
Without posts like yours, there is no Alcoholism Discussion Thread. I love reading that people are doing well and succeeding - but those of you who are brave enough to admit when you are struggling are those members who keep the ugly, naked reality of the disease of alcholism freshly painted upon my awareness. The moment I lose awareness of how bad it was, or how often I still struggle, the greater the chance that I will relapse. When I forget the pain, the torment, the self-loathing, selfishness and agony, a drink begins to look REALLY good, and REALLY rational.

Both of which earn gold medals for topping the list of irrational thought processes.

The following is no formality: Thank you both for having the wisdom and courage to share with us how you are really doing. Respect.

~ Vaya

P.S. Rosie, I am fucking proud to death of you. This is only the beginning. Love yourself unconditionally; you deserve sobriety. Embrace that profound statement.
 
Every drop of alcohol you consume is contributing to the misery. It's like putting a cream to treat a boil that temporary makes it go down but then comes back bigger than ever.

You know what the solution is. You just need to find the motivation to cross over.

Good luck man...

the last month or so has been a disaster, the only relief i get is through wine, fuck it, i would rather drink myself to death like my mum did than experience the misery i seem to expereince sober, i am so close to relapsing with opiates, wine is just keeping it at bay and its so damn cheap

what is more important happiness or a healthy life? i am sure the two can be combined but for me they seem a world apart, i am sick of anxiety and depression. wine, solitude, weed, diazapan and music seem to be the only way to have a ounce of happiness.

I know alcohol does not help depression, but at least it temporarily fixes the problem, and on the plus side it tastes great

I despise myself, at least i am a mellow alcoholic so other than my own self loathing my drinking does not cause drama

i have given up
 
I second this.

In the spirit of AA, we're all in this together in a sense. Not only do you give us awareness but I hope your being courageous and writing about your state as well as reading our experiences also give you awareness. It's nonspecific sponsorship. (:

You two... :)
Without posts like yours, there is no Alcoholism Discussion Thread. I love reading that people are doing well and succeeding - but those of you who are brave enough to admit when you are struggling are those members who keep the ugly, naked reality of the disease of alcholism freshly painted upon my awareness. The moment I lose awareness of how bad it was, or how often I still struggle, the greater the chance that I will relapse. When I forget the pain, the torment, the self-loathing, selfishness and agony, a drink begins to look REALLY good, and REALLY rational.

Both of which earn gold medals for topping the list of irrational thought processes.

The following is no formality: Thank you both for having the wisdom and courage to share with us how you are really doing. Respect.

~ Vaya

P.S. Rosie, I am fucking proud to death of you. This is only the beginning. Love yourself unconditionally; you deserve sobriety. Embrace that profound statement.
 
Every drop of alcohol you consume is contributing to the misery. It's like putting a cream to treat a boil that temporary makes it go down but then comes back bigger than ever.

You know what the solution is. You just need to find the motivation to cross over.

Good luck man...

i know what your saying is true but i am in a mindset that the bigger picture seems unfathomable and i need immediate resoloution to my problems, i know grog aint the answer but i don't have the strength to do the hard yards at the moment, so the downward spiral continues

I fucking loathe myself
 
You can keep drinking for now and do things that might help to stop. You could go to an AA meeting. There's a book by Allen Carr on how to control your drinking, I recommend getting it and reading it (the first one). I would work on that mindset. Again, you may have reached a point where you cannot do this on your own. There's no shame in asking for help.

As sappy as this sounds, what you need to most is love yourself. If you truly do that, it will resolve itself. Alcohol is what is causing/exacerbating the problems you have (you know it of course).

I will also say that this is not your fault nor do I think it is in your control. If you are in the spiral you've lose the ability to make a choice. You definitely then need help (though there are a few rare cases of people doing it on their own, I think this is just chance that the disease went into remission). Otherwise you will lose everything. Everything.

i know what your saying is true but i am in a mindset that the bigger picture seems unfathomable and i need immediate resoloution to my problems, i know grog aint the answer but i don't have the strength to do the hard yards at the moment, so the downward spiral continues

I fucking loathe myself
 
i know what your saying is true but i am in a mindset that the bigger picture seems unfathomable and i need immediate resoloution to my problems, i know grog aint the answer but i don't have the strength to do the hard yards at the moment, so the downward spiral continues

Abstinence will make you teachable.

Beat Narrative said:
I fucking loathe myself

Would you loathe yourself if you suffered from schizophrenia? Both diseases are psychological in nature, manifesting behaviorally by distorting one's thinking. There's no reason to self-loathe. There is every reason, however, to take action. By putting in the footwork, you - like countless others - have the ability to arrest this progressive and fatal illness.

Sobriety can and will change your life, provided it is actively sought.

~ Vaya
 
Abstinence will make you teachable.

Vaya

i know your a very positive and caring contributer but i must say i find this statement patronising, i am sure you meant it with the best intention, is it a quote from a 12 step book or your own statement?
 
Taking the statement out of the context of the whole message is not the way I interpreted it, even though I understand your point since I also felt it was a bit off when I had only read that statement. I then read everything Vaya wrote in response to what you wrote. Specifically, I read the second paragraph carefully (which is extremely well written I thought*) and then the sentence made a lot more sense. It's a bit of rhetoric: taking you from point A to point B to help you with your alcohol problem. The three paragraphs Vaya wrote are all connected and make a full circle. Even though I've been sober for nearly 3 years reading it really helped me reinforce my recovery which is always a good thing.

* my response to your self loathing comment was a very direct one, stating that you should not do that and you should love yourself. I'm not happy with that reply since I don't think it's very useful but I felt I had to say something. Vaya on the other hand wrote something that really had the potential to make you think and even stop drinking immediately. In a few sentences, the core of your problem is addressed, a solution is offered, and it also is responsive to your self loathing comment. If I were you I'd cut and paste the response and save it some place and come back to it when you're ready to quit. It will help I believe.

Take care man...

i know your a very positive and caring contributer but i must say i find this statement patronising, i am sure you meant it with the best intention, is it a quote from a 12 step book or your own statement?
 
Taking the statement out of the context of the whole message is not the way I interpreted it, even though I understand your point since I also felt it was a bit off when I had only read that statement. I then read everything Vaya wrote in response to what you wrote. Specifically, I read the second paragraph carefully (which is extremely well written I thought*) and then the sentence made a lot more sense. It's a bit of rhetoric: taking you from point A to point B to help you with your alcohol problem. The three paragraphs Vaya wrote are all connected and make a full circle. Even though I've been sober for nearly 3 years reading it really helped me reinforce my recovery which is always a good thing.

* my response to your self loathing comment was a very direct one, stating that you should not do that and you should love yourself. I'm not happy with that reply since I don't think it's very useful but I felt I had to say something. Vaya on the other hand wrote something that really had the potential to make you think and even stop drinking immediately. In a few sentences, the core of your problem is addressed, a solution is offered, and it also is responsive to your self loathing comment. If I were you I'd cut and paste the response and save it some place and come back to it when you're ready to quit. It will help I believe.

Take care man...

yeah, after reading the paragraph a few times i see that there is logic in what is being said, then again i have stoing feelings towards the whole "disease" aspect of addiction, i understand its not an easily solved problem but it is preventable with the individuals actions unlike something like schizophrenia, hence the self loathing aspect i am making a concious decision to do something that is detrimental to myself

This year has been crazy, detoxed off a 2 year opiate habit, majorly cut down on weed. But alcohol, for some reason wine is the only thiing giving me an ounce of satifaction, i think its linked to my detoxing off opiates but i have also been an every day drinker for 12 years. I am just overwhelmed at the moment, on the verge of an 8 year relationship ending and just trying to (without sounding to cliche) live each day as it comes, i am not sure if i am drinking heavily, a bottle of wine plus 3-6 beers each day, but its the dependency aspect that bothers me.

After seeing the damage alcohol did to my mother i promised myself i would not replicate her behaviour, hence a sensee of failure and loathing which is entirely self imposed, i am not feeling sorry for myself but my anxiety has gotten worse than it has in recent memory

sorry for the ramble, it was thinking outloud, bless the therapeutic nature of bluelight
 
Don't want to junk up this thread but I'm really struggling with cravings right now. They are happening earlier and earlier in the day.

Still holding out till 5pm...

I also have exactly the same issues... often I wish time during the day went quicker. I'm going to need to stay busier until I figure this out and determine why it's OK as long as I wait till this stupid time of the day. My dad was also an alcoholic but he had more control since he ONLY drank 2-3 days of the week and normally would just drink a half pint of bourbon and that was it. I would be happy if I could do that....
 
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I've always liked good beer, starting to get into the intricacies of tastings, etc... when I turned 21. I'm now 25. I don't think I ever had a drinking problem until I became a bartender in October.

It's difficult to not drink when you're given a free drink at the end of every shift, and you get a heavy discount when you aren't working. To make it even harder, I've become great friends with everybody that I work with, and with people that come into the bar on the regular-- I hang out there more than anywhere else.

I don't get drunk everyday, but it is a majority of the week. When I first started drinking, getting drunk was fun. I wasn't angry. Drinking probably fucked up my recent relationship-- I'd say stupid shit that was on my mind but would never say sober. Physically it also caused some problems in the bedroom... :D

Maybe the scariest part is that I "blackout" most times when I drink. It isn't a typically blackout where one passes out stone cold in the street-- I just can't remember 99% of the shit that I did. I imagine this is a sign of damage done to my brain? I've put on a bit of weight since I started working at the bar too, but that could be caused by the heavy lifting when I was a bar-back. I've got a lot of pain in my joints and I fucked up my Achilles tendon when I started working-- I imagine the alcohol is causing inflammation in most of my body? I feel like I've aged a lot in these few months. I know I've gotten dumber...

Since I went to Thailand, I've basically been in 'pleasure-mode' all the time. I ate out everyday there because of the logistics (and cost), and I only recently started buying groceries and cooking for myself back in the States. I started having sex in November and my bank-account is fuller than its ever been. I guess I'm living up to my means, I suppose you could say. Getting drunk and being debaucherous with friends is pretty much all I do.

I wonder whether it is possible to regain the intelligence that I once possessed if I gave up drinking? Can the damage to my brain be fixed? Or what about to my liver and the rest of my body?

Maybe I have a bigger problem than I though...
 
Drinking alcohol causes a huge number of immediate problems for your body. This should be apparent to anyone who has ever had a hangover. A good portion of this is simply the result of alcohol being a toxic to your body. When you take in a toxin, your whole organism shifts its focus from 'lets do this human thing!' to 'wtf. nuclear meltdown. all priorities moved to cleanup effort.' When your body is cleaning out the alcohol it can't do anything properly, including the metabolic functions that make every part of you thrive. In other words, alcohol causes a lack of thriving across the board.

When you drink you can't make the natural enzymes that your body uses, to digest food for example. You also cannot properly absorb nutrients that your body doesn't make for itself, as in vitamins, as in the ones that make all sorts of things happen, such as being able to think.

The good news is that almost all of this is reversible. You just need to dry your body out and let it get back to doing what it's meant to be doing, which is being you.
 
Beat Narrative said:
i know your a very positive and caring contributer but i must say i find this statement patronising, i am sure you meant it with the best intention, is it a quote from a 12 step book or your own statement?

Apologies for the inadvertent patronization, sir! (It really was not intended.)
I am not an advocate for Alcoholics Anonymous, so unless otherwise stated, I will not be quoting AA-affiliated literature. To do so in this discussion without notice would be akin to me coercing membership out of you (or anyone whom I might be speaking with), which would definitely be no good, and far from ethical!

That having been said, I have discovered a great wealth of truth in that which an old sponsor of mine told me - precisely that piece of advice I now offer to you. It is affiliated with AA only in that it was discussed in the context of a sponsor-sponsee relationship, but is not a part of the literature. The basic premise is that when we admit our full-blown alcoholism or addiction, we cannot help but admit that we lack control over our thoughts and many times, consequently, our behaviors. Our thinking has been distorted such that we are unable, in some cases, to understand how to even begin to approach a possible reconciliation between mind and spirit. We can be taught how this psychic union can come about, but only if we allow our physiology to return to baseline in tandem with the psychological self. Becoming teachable means, very simply, that we return to a state whereby positive solutions can be identified and realistic actions can be taken.

I apologize for the confusing way I presented my idea; I ought to have explained further!

This year has been crazy, detoxed off a 2 year opiate habit, majorly cut down on weed. But alcohol, for some reason wine is the only thiing giving me an ounce of satifaction, i think its linked to my detoxing off opiates but i have also been an every day drinker for 12 years. I am just overwhelmed at the moment, on the verge of an 8 year relationship ending and just trying to (without sounding to cliche) live each day as it comes, i am not sure if i am drinking heavily, a bottle of wine plus 3-6 beers each day, but its the dependency aspect that bothers me.

I can only speak for myself, this is true. However, if I had this many significantly distressing events happening at once in my life, I would be necessarily helpless if I truly needed to find my way out! My best wishes go out to you, BN, for although I cannot say I am where you're at, I have been there before. Pretty recently, in fact. Anyone who tells you what you are up against is easy is, in actuality, woefully ignorant.

bluedom said:
If I were you I'd cut and paste the response and save it some place and come back to it when you're ready to quit. It will help I believe.

Love the idea - not because you painted the picture of me as a wise, stoic philosopher (...I don't quite fit the mold...;) ), but because I do this myself all the time with really wonderful, painful, loving and challenging things I hear from people as they relate to my recovery and my way of thinking. It's incredibly important for clarity within my existence to accurately remember how bad the pain of it all was in order that I don't forget and become complacent in my efforts to remain sober. By the same token, I like to keep little daily reminders of other, smaller things (that can be in many ways just as significant!).

On my bedside table, I have a small piece of paper which reads, "Care For Yourself." On the mirror in my bathroom, there's one reading "You Are Loved." These are two amidst a trove of others which serve to remind me of those things that I am liable to forget easily in the first year of sobriety as I tangle with emotional torrents rushing forcibly back into my life. Respectively, these are caring for myself (don't skimp on shaving each day, it'll build up; keep working out; brush your teeth, etc.) and the fact that people really do care about me out there. These are seemingly small things that I will let slip from mind when I'm in a really rough spot if I haven't crafted them into my routine. It's a powerful thing, being loved. And my mind is one powerful manipulator, throwing poly-daily pity-parties where attendance is restricted to me, myself and I. That bit of knowledge about love, along with the evidence I have to back it up, defuses the energy driving my erroneous way of thinking. So, too, have I found a simple act such as eating so that I have energy and my body has nutrients, or shaving so I don't look scruffy; these may make the difference between my getting out of bed in the morning and convincing myself to slip and sleep until the afternoon. It's astounding, now, to realize how both trivialities have unique and profound impacts on the way that I view myself.

I am a firm believer that addiction and alcoholism are A.) one in the same, and B.) are both but symptoms of a larger problem - A fundamental error in the way I think about, view and interact with the world and the people and things in it. And it tickles me to think that some scraps of paper have such power - until I realize that many such mundane things held just as much power, if not more, when I was living in active addiction. After all it was I who, in my infinite wisdom (;)), chose to ascribe that power towards self-indulgence rather than personal growth.

There are a few posts in this very thread I may one day print and cut out, if only for the occasional reminder that I am most definitely not alone. During those days when I'm having a particularly difficult time, they may spur one of a galaxy of constructive thoughts that will help guide me through; one example is, "You're feeling like shit! NO one wants to feel this way, but at least the evidence is out there: These thoughts are temporary. And in the meantime, you'd do best to keep trying to do the next loving thing - for yourself, and others."

This is what works for me.

batmanplaybaseball said:
The good news is that almost all of this is reversible. You just need to dry your body out and let it get back to doing what it's meant to be doing, which is being you.

Such wisdom. Love your post!

~ Vaya
 
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The vast majority. if not all, is completely reversible once the brain is not receiving the alcohol input. You'll heal rapidly to gain control of your executive (I've read an estimate of 90 days for alcohol abuse). But you still will experience some difficulty now and then. I my case, confronted and conquered each trigger over a 1.5 year period.
 
If that's a true number, that's about 6-9 drinks a day. That's definitely not in the recommended range (perhaps no more than 4 for men; I believe in the UK the recommendation is 2-3 drinks per day). But the point I think is that you didn't start by drinking 6-9 drinks a day, or did you? Did you have a half bottle of wine and 2 beers before? Or a full bottle of wine and no beers?

I started with 1 glass of wine/day and over 3-4 months it became 1 bottle.

Alcoholism (addiction to alcohol) is a progressive disease. Don't get TOO hung up on the disease word. It's the same as saying "medical conditions". A combination of your genetic makeup , your phenotype, and your environments have led to this situation. It is not your fault you've become addicted to alcohol (this is my humble opinion). No one can know who will. But you do have the power to get out, and I suspect you need external help to do so. This is not something you can do by yourself. Thisis way beyond you. You doing it by yourself is just going to make the addiction stronger. It's like the Chinese finger puzzle where the more you fight it, the tighter it gets. (That saiid, there are a few people who do do it "on their own" but even they I suspect had some support.

yeah, after reading the paragraph a few times i see that there is logic in what is being said, then again i have stoing feelings towards the whole "disease" aspect of addiction, i understand its not an easily solved problem but it is preventable with the individuals actions unlike something like schizophrenia, hence the self loathing aspect i am making a concious decision to do something that is detrimental to myself

This year has been crazy, detoxed off a 2 year opiate habit, majorly cut down on weed. But alcohol, for some reason wine is the only thiing giving me an ounce of satifaction, i think its linked to my detoxing off opiates but i have also been an every day drinker for 12 years. I am just overwhelmed at the moment, on the verge of an 8 year relationship ending and just trying to (without sounding to cliche) live each day as it comes, i am not sure if i am drinking heavily, a bottle of wine plus 3-6 beers each day, but its the dependency aspect that bothers me.

After seeing the damage alcohol did to my mother i promised myself i would not replicate her behaviour, hence a sensee of failure and loathing which is entirely self imposed, i am not feeling sorry for myself but my anxiety has gotten worse than it has in recent memory

sorry for the ramble, it was thinking outloud, bless the therapeutic nature of bluelight
 
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