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RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V1

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Yesterday I was trying 4-MePPP which was nice and then I did a very stupid mistake. First I took 10 mg ethylphenidate which did nothing really. Then I snorted another 20 mg and I got an extremely strong anxiety and would have got a panic attack but fortunately I took a copious amount of clonazepam (~10 mg but I have a very high tolerance) and 600 mg Lyrica which calmed me down. Very stupid of me to combine two stimulants when I'm sensitive to them anyway.

Today I'm going to take ethylphenidate only in small bumps, 10-15 mg. Honestly I don't feel much with those doses, but ethylphenidate seems to produce panic attacks in me if I take 30 mg or more. Kind of strange because I can take quite large amounts of speed (d-amp) and MPA without any anxiety or panicky feelings. The 4-MePPP I took yesterday didn't provoke any anxiety either, it was when I added EPH that things got seriously wrong. EPH just seem to be a compound my brain can't handle in any large amounts.

I've got tons of things to do today becuase I'm moving to a new flat and have to go through all my stuff, throw away unnecessary stuff and pack things. 10-15 mg bumps taken 2-3 hours apart is quite good for functionality, but I can't go over that dose. It's just a compound I seem to be hypersensitive to. I'm hypersensitive to caffeine too. No idea why, when amphetamine(s) don't produce any negative feelings if taken in moderate doses (I never take large amounts of stimulants and only use them for functionality).

Oh, and EPH doesn't burn at all with 10-15 mg insufflated for me. 20 mg burned a little, but it wasn't bad at all. The stuff is completely white crystals which I grind to a fine powder before snorting it.
 
Lady Codone said:
And yes, it's the new batch of "powder" (tiny crystals actually). Didn't really have these side effects on the large crystal stuff I got from a different vendor. Hmmm...
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See I encountered the same problems with the powder eph only. I think something's up with it...
 
OK now I definitely now 10-15 mg insufflated is the right dose for me. 10 mg taken 30 minutes ago and I feel just as stimulated as I wanted to be, feeling just fine without any anxiety or panicky feelings. There's a rise in motivation which is needed too because I have to start packing things because of the move to the new flat now.

EPH can definitely be used as a functional stimulant but the dose HAS to stay low.
 
Hello everyone,
I have viewed this forum for nearly 2 years now and have found it to be a an amazing source of information. I have now decided to register as I have some information on my experiences that may be helpful after reading some of the most recent posts on this thread.

I have experienced most of the RC's that have been around for the past couple of years, and also all of the "street" substances that I'm sure everyone here will be familiar with.

I have used in estimate, probably 50g+ of Ethylphenidate since it's first release in Dec 2011, and have observed as much as I think is possible in regard to the positive and negative effects that it can have and have used every ROA possible aside from IV'ing it as I have never gone down the IV route with any substance although I admit I have considered it before.

There is definitely a vasoconstriction issue with EPD, which is remarkably different to any I've experienced before. I first experienced it with 4-MMC and have done with every stimulant I have used since. Typical blue knees, bad circulation etc. MPA in particular has been one of the worst offenders, but the vaso issues with EPD seem alot worse. It wasn't apparent when I first began to use it but it has become considerably worse as time has gone on and dosages and use has increased. The symptoms occur mostly on the left side of the body, in the left arm and hand and poor blood flow in the lower legs and feet. It differs in the way that the arm and hand has the feeling of inflation although there is no swelling and also as JSpete describes, blotchy skin and temperature difference either hot or cold than the right hand. It has also caused weakness in this arm and loss of feeling at times. I have found this when using crystal or powder and I have used alot of both so IME there is no difference wether it's powder or crystal, they both react the same and are both almost as caustic, the powder slightly less so.

This is aside from the negative effects it has on mood and mental state. I agree that it definitely can have an MDPV
flavour to it despite also being poles apart from MDPV. The positive mental effects EPD has can be amazing as alot of
people have described and have been very beneficial at times but believe me it will certainly make you pay for it after.

Be careful how and if you use it, it can be positively life changing to start with but that can only last for so long.
 
Be more specific if you can Groundhog
How much do you take and over what period?
When does the vaso-constriction occur.

I use it occasionally around 50mg-100mg an evening.
Very slight vasoconstriction the following day. Similar to mpa, not as bad perhaps
 
skyHiGuy said:
Be more specific if you can Groundhog
How much do you take and over what period?
When does the vaso-constriction occur.

I use it occasionally around 50mg-100mg an evening.
Very slight vasoconstriction the following day. Similar to mpa, not as bad perhaps
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Hi, apologies i should have given more detail regarding the amounts and frequency of usage, I didnt want my first post to be a long essay that would detract people from reading it as I thought it might, but I did leave some vital information out, thanks for taking the time to read it and point that out. So to be more specific, I use on average 500mg per day orally.....yes I know....! (hence the negatives) I have exceeded this at times to a maximum of about ~1000mg(?)

* I DO NOT RECCOMMEND ANY OF THE DOSAGES I HAVE DETAILED IN THIS POST, THIS INFORMATION IS IN THE INTEREST OF HARM REDUCTION FOR OTHERS AND NOT A GUIDE*

I have just written an essay on my experience which i have now decided to remove from this post now as I realise that some people reading this may not be interested in the complete detail of it all, so I'll cut to the facts unless anyone wants to know more of it. If anyone is interested in more detail or has any questions, then please ask.

I have used it daily for 3months, orally due to the nasal damage of insufflation in the beginning, more detail on this as to the why's and how's should anyone request....but it has only been in the last month that I have experienced the vasoconstriction issues. This is only one of the negative effects experienced, there is a long story that came before this.

Low dosage ie: 10 -30mg via any ROA should not result in any vaso issues, I would say after 150mg orally is when I start to feel the onset of the symptoms which inevitably increase as the dosage increases. I am fully aware of the stupid and reckless behaviour I am describing, I am sharing this information as I haven't read of any similar experiences of high and regular use on this thread.

Unless the dose is kept to an absoulute minimum and only used occassionaly, I believe that the negative effects will at some time become apparent to some who haven't even pushed it to the limits that I regretfully have done.

As JSPete quoted after using 20g over a period of time and then absataining for a month he detailed some of the similar effects that I have experienced.

Some of you may never experience what I have described but just be aware of what could possibly ensue despite sensible and self controlled usage. There is so much more than first meets the eye.......as I'm sure this thread will explain from others as time goes on.
 
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BluLait said:
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I'm starting to think half the people in here are binging for days on end on this stuff like it was coke, snorting grams and grams in just a few days and then complaining about losing their sense of smell and telling the rest of us not to snort it cause it's bad. Well fucking A it's bad if you over-do it.

But I just thought there might be some fucking acid in it, I've seen people saying they used it sublingually and it burned the skin under their tongue, it freaked me the fuck out.
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Can snorting a small amount of stuff cause some kind of permanent damage to your nose? Like your sense of smell decreasing? :-s
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How much snorted crystal EP would you consider "safe" for the nose over the course of a day. Would 50 mg in a few hours be a reason for concern for my nose?
What about oral, is it worth it, I'm not a fan of drinking stims designed to go up your nose.

I'm really fucking paranoid about shit like this, everyone is saying "OMG DON'T SNORT THIS" and other crap. The fuck?
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There was 1 guy around here somewhere that said he lost his smell for a while. (...)
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For the record:
I did snort about 250-350mg of EPH over the period of 3 days and indeed completely lost my smell. It gradually came back though when i allowed my nose to heal.
My nose might have taken some damage in the previous 2 month beforehand though, when i was experimenting with α-Pyrrolidinopropiophenone (α-PPP).
I didn't want anyone to get paranoid about snorting EPH, i just wanted to share my experience and emphasize the dangers. The "Xi" label on your EPH-bag isn't a joke.
Burned skin under the tongue is something i've also experienced after repeated sublingual administration (yes, i'm still consuming EPH) but it healed fast and was a visible, observeable and a lot less unpleasant/frightening damage contrary to the experiences with insufflation i had before.
IME snorting is the worst possible roa for irritants.

Regardless of roa, if you choose to do EPH keep the dose low and take sufficient breaks.
 
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Vasoconstriction definitely seems worse on ethylphenidate than other stimulants (4-FA, 2-FMA, aPVP, MPA, etc). Even worse than Benzedrex! Can't be good methinks. And yes, it's the new batch of "powder" (tiny crystals actually). Didn't really have these side effects on the large crystal stuff I got from a different vendor. Hmmm...
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stay the fuck away.
 
Really excellent reports there, Groundhog. Thanks for taking the time to write them...Everything you said resonates with my own experiences, right down to the ridiculous oral doses. Asides from the recent vasoconstriction, I had issues with stimulant psychosis and my EPH use has left me prone to random and spontaneous anxiety attacks (not too debilitating, they're short acting once I get my head round them, and they usually happen on the verge of sleep). How much weight have you lost, out of interest? I lost far too much after 1 month and 25g, I hate to think how much you've lost after 3 months and 50g.
 
@BluLait

Originally Posted by Groundhog
I have used it daily for 3months....

"Ah yes, let me just stop you right there... that's your problem!"

Thank you for your observation. If you read my post, you will find that I had already stated that fact and that the reason I registered here was because there are many more positive reports than negative ones and I haven't seen any other posts that describe regular and high use I have and still am experiencing.

I thought that others need to know where it can lead and the damage it can cause so they don't have to learn the hard way as I have. As I said there are many why's and how's to why I am in this position which any is free to ask if they wish.

With all due respect, do you think I need to be enlightened to the fact " Let me stop you there, that is your problem!"
Thankyou. I am fully aware of that. As I said there is along story to this, if anyone wants to be subjected to what will be a very long post, I'll be happy to share it.
 
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JSPete said:
Really excellent reports there, Groundhog. Thanks for taking the time to write them...Everything you said resonates with my own experiences, right down to the ridiculous oral doses. Asides from the recent vasoconstriction, I had issues with stimulant psychosis and my EPH use has left me prone to random and spontaneous anxiety attacks (not too debilitating, they're short acting once I get my head round them, and they usually happen on the verge of sleep). How much weight have you lost, out of interest? I lost far too much after 1 month and 25g, I hate to think how much you've lost after 3 months and 50g.
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Thanks JSPete, I have also experience the mental and panick attacks very similar and more, which I shall answer aswell as your other questions when I've been to sleep as it's nearly 4am.......yes the EPD!

Thankyou for your comments and questions, I think we have experienced similar problems but I think you'll be interested it what more I have to say about them, they get worse believe me.
 
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@BluLait

Originally Posted by Groundhog
I have used it daily for 3months....

"Ah yes, let me just stop you right there... that's your problem!"

Thank you for your observation. If you read my post, you will find that I had already stated that fact and that the reason I registered here was because there are many more positive reports than negative ones and I haven't seen any other posts that describe regular and high use I have and still am experiencing.

I thought that others need to know where it can lead and the damage it can cause so they don't have to learn the hard way as I have. As I said there are many why's and how's to why I am in this position which any is free to ask if they wish.

With all due respect, do you think I need to be enlightened to the fact " Let me stop you there, that is your problem!"
Thankyou. I am fully aware of that. As I said there is along story to this, if anyone wants to be subjected to what will be a very long post, I'll be happy to share it.
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This stuff makes me arrogant as a motherfucker. I hadn't actually read your post haha... you're ok man!:) Thanks for sharing.
 
I finally managed to take enough to feel the euphoric effects. The trick was to take small bumps, 5-15 mg, wait for the effects and see how I feel, and then take another small bump. This stuff has some kind of strange panic trigger if I take a bigger dose at once. I've never encountered it with another stim, well maybe pentedrone was a bit the same. Also there's virtually no burn at all when you snort tiny lines. My nose hasn't been blocked either. IME camfetamine was worse to snort, even in small doses.

Nice stuff. Although at functional doses the stimulation somehow feels irritating, I wouldn't use this for functionality.

Edit: I don't get such a huge ego boost from EPH than from, say MPA. Amphetamines in general give a huge ego-boost. I don't think EPH will affect my behaviour as much as MPA, or heaven forbid speed.
 
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I worked my way up to snorting about 15-20 mg's in one go. Felt a little euphoria, was quite nice. I was also very nicely stimulated and talkative an hour after that.
The rush always gets me aroused and I wanna fuck everything that moves hahahaah.

Does anybody have experience with EP in social situations, like at collgee, when going out? I did a bit at school today, but it was a small line, can't tell if placebo or real effects: I was very talkative and self-confident, lots of jokes, smiling at people. Would it make you wanna dance if you were at a rave, how about a nightclub?

Is it a good substitute for coke?
I have never tried coke. Is it similar to it?

Cause I'm going to a nightclub on friday. And I don't wanna use MDMA, it's not that kinda cool party. Would EPH do the trick in making me wanna dance and party?
 
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BluLait said:
Is it a good substitute for coke?
I have never tried coke. Is it similar to it?
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No, I wouldn't say that. I don't get the same feeling of self-confidence from this. Certainly a slight ego-boost but when on coke I feel like a king. The high on coke is also more chilled in a way, with this stuff it's harder to just sit back and relax. It's more tweaky, energetic and less clear-headed than coke. EPH is certainly very euphoric, but the euphoria I get from coke, especially after 3-4 lines, is the best feeling I've ever got from a stimulant.

For me coke is and probably always will be the best stimulant. Not too speedy, you snort a line and just feel...absolutely great. You can function better on coke than on EPH, EPH feels more intoxicating, more like rolling. The downside of coke is the huge ego-boost makes many people arrogant idiots, it happens to me sometimes too. You feel like you know everything and can handle everything. It's also IME the most moreish stimulant there is.

At the moment I feel very energetic, I constantly shift position, move my feet, I have to do something all the time, it's much more unrestful than coke. Coke is also more subtle as you don't really feel so intoxicated, but still feel great.

I'm sure some will disagree, I think you'll get lots of different answers. But I think very few would see this as a good substitute for coke.
 
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Is it good for going out dancing?

I find it kind of annoying, really bad to snort, hurts and nosebleeds, fucking eats the flesh under my tongue if I do sublingual... and after about 30 minutes the subtle euphoria fades and I get a god damn headache... This seems fucking worthless. I'm worried if I snort a bigger line I'll fuck up my nose or whatever.

And the euphoria I get from it is so damn bad, like I wanna sit in my chair and stare at the wall doing nothing.

The biggest line I snorted was around 25 mg... Should I snort a bigger one?
 
Quit snorting the stuff, just bomb it. 50mg bomb will have you buzzing. Rack up the bomb count and you'll remain flying for a good few hours. No stress on the stomach whatsoever (as far as I can realistically tell).
 
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