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Don't think that matters when it comes to MDMA dude. LSD gets raped by light, but I think it has zero affect on MDMA and all other amphetamines I'm pretty sure.



Umm.... Prove it (seriously if you have some references I'd love to see it)?
Even with my limited knowledge of chemistry I'm pretty sure that makes no sense, with the right lab and equipment 84% as "max purity possible" simply sounds completely false. I'd imagine skilled chemists could get to 97-98% With pure chemicals to start with. (Often the reason for Australian Molly being a much lower standard is both because people still pay through the roof for it, but also some of the precursors to make MDMA are hard to obtain at 100% on the black market.


Pretty sure it's been confirmed that we had 97% MDMA was imported from Canada quite a few years ago 2007 rings a bell.
Also as far as I know, it's not un-common for overseas for Molly to be 95% and discolouration (browning rather then it being white) whilst it is from incomplete synthesis, it can still be over 95% even at brown.



This isn't entirely true either foots. Like many non-chiral chemicals they have multiple forms whilst still maintaining the same exact elements and location of the elements, the shape can be different. Different shapes will have different affects whether its's big or small is arguable. If you read this kindly linked from juvenille http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/54015-ISOMERS-of-mdma
and scroll down to Phase_Dancers post, you can see the two different forms of MDMA. S(+) MDMA and R(-) MDMA, from the yellow Carbon atom you can see that in one picture a methyl group faces towards the Amphetamine group and in the other it faces away.

I've heard people say that they prefer one isomer over the other and that for EXPERIENCED users/(cooks) you can distinguish between the two. The affects of how one was preferred to the other at the same doses I can't exactly remember though.


I think the biggest problem with people guessing amounts of MDMA in pills, is everyone is trying to compare them to other pills that have probably been gauged falsely themselves and as a result our guess's are getting more and more sketchy.
I've always thought that the pills that got me really into Ecstasy Purple Grinners 2008 were probably around 120mg mark. But more recently when people are putting pills like the green hearts at 100 either my purple was more close to 180 or the green is considerably less. I'm inclined to think the latter but without ever having something that I know first hand how pure is I will always be inaccurate. People have put the recent pacmans around 65-80mg. Well... my mate had 9 on Sunday over the space of about 7 hours. Whilst he was rolling pretty hard and having a good time. Even though he is a fiend but at the estimation of 600mg+ I would've thought he'd be on the floor rubbing the carpet. Rather then still being able to roll J's and smoke cones for hours to come.

I also double dropped these, but I reckon I could have 4 straight up and still be relatively functional.

I've always been told that MDMA can degrade when its exposed to heat and moisture.Like i always hear people say dont keep ya pills or crystals in ya pocket or wallet as the heat from your body fucks them up maybe there just talking about pills getting chrused down.But yeah it cant hurt to keep your mollly in a cool light free place (like ya drawers ect ect)
 
Hmm... I'm not gonna definitely disagree cause I'm not 100% and I don't want you to damage your goods ;)

But I'm pretty sure they'll just be referring to pills getting crushed up. I dont think the heat from your wallet could do any damage and I'm pretty certain light has NO affect. But agreed if in doubt, why chance it with molly =D
 
Hmm... I'm not gonna definitely disagree cause I'm not 100% and I don't want you to damage your goods ;)

But I'm pretty sure they'll just be referring to pills getting crushed up. I dont think the heat from your wallet could do any damage and I'm pretty certain light has NO affect. But agreed if in doubt, why chance it with molly =D

hehe if you think keeping my molly out of light n heat is a big deal you should see how i look after my LSD ;)
 
This isn't entirely true either foots. Like many non-chiral chemicals they have multiple forms whilst still maintaining the same exact elements and location of the elements, the shape can be different. Different shapes will have different affects whether its's big or small is arguable. If you read this kindly linked from juvenille http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/54015-ISOMERS-of-mdma
and scroll down to Phase_Dancers post, you can see the two different forms of MDMA. S(+) MDMA and R(-) MDMA, from the yellow Carbon atom you can see that in one picture a methyl group faces towards the Amphetamine group and in the other it faces away.

I've heard people say that they prefer one isomer over the other and that for EXPERIENCED users/(cooks) you can distinguish between the two. The affects of how one was preferred to the other at the same doses I can't exactly remember though.

Very good point :)
 
I *think* what people mean is that if you have 100mg of MDMA.HCL crystal you are getting 84mg of PURE MDMA if the chemist has got it right. The other 16% is the salt. It's not so much about the purity of the MDMA, it is the actual weight of the MDMA versus the weight of the crystal.

I have looked into this so many times, and this i the best way to summarise the most commonly accepted view I have been able to find, given my lack of chemistry knowledge.
 
MDMA certainly does degrade with heat, light or moisture. We used to get awesome beans that were well over 150mg each, couldnt score anymore more cos they ran out so had to get off another mate of ours who were stocked up to the max with them because they were so damn good. Turned out they were holding onto them for ages and when we took one it just melted in our mouth and turned out to be shit. They were from the same batch as we knew there dealers, they were ours too (it was great to live in a place where everybody knew each other and could help u out when u needed anything) Im not really sure what caused the degradation. MDMA is a very stable compound but under harsh conditions it def can degrade. I suppose keeping it in a car at 40c temperature plus for quite a long period of time can add to the degradation or maybe even cause it to be inactive. Keeping it in ur pocket in a hot sweaty nightclub for few hours will never degrade it tho. As to the 100% purity, nothing will ever be 100% due to the fact that there is water (moisture in the air) which will always land in the product itself. Note the RC's that are all 99.9% at most. That 0.1% is water.
 
Don't think that matters when it comes to MDMA dude. LSD gets raped by light, but I think it has zero affect on MDMA and all other amphetamines I'm pretty sure.



Umm.... Prove it (seriously if you have some references I'd love to see it)?
Even with my limited knowledge of chemistry I'm pretty sure that makes no sense, with the right lab and equipment 84% as "max purity possible" simply sounds completely false. I'd imagine skilled chemists could get to 97-98% With pure chemicals to start with. (Often the reason for Australian Molly being a much lower standard is both because people still pay through the roof for it, but also some of the precursors to make MDMA are hard to obtain at 100% on the black market.


Pretty sure it's been confirmed that we had 97% MDMA was imported from Canada quite a few years ago 2007 rings a bell.
Also as far as I know, it's not un-common for overseas for Molly to be 95% and discolouration (browning rather then it being white) whilst it is from incomplete synthesis, it can still be over 95% even at brown.

I think the biggest problem with people guessing amounts of MDMA in pills, is everyone is trying to compare them to other pills that have probably been gauged falsely themselves and as a result our guess's are getting more and more sketchy.
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It is a well known fact that mdma crystal is 84% as a result of the salt used to form it into a crystal. this is when you take into the account the total weight of the crystal.

i totally agree with the pill content comment tho
 
It isn't a salt used to form it into a crystal, it's the salt form which is a crystal. The freebase is an oil, have fun distributing that. As to 84% if your talking about molecular mass perhaps, but you don't refer to sodium chloride as 39% sodium now do we.
 
copying this from my post in the MXE thread, my little 'experiment' with the shitty moods the few days after, and MDA vs MDMA cross tollerance.


cant say iv tripped off mxe, untill this week. i had a great weekend on MDA[.1g 11pm fri night] and then MDMA [.1g midnight sunday night], can deffinietly say i noticed ZERO cross tollerance as the MDMA floored me!! wow-zers night... so i thought id try it to avoid the suicide wens/thurs and dosed .02g, up the nose tuesday night. an experiment i sort of planned for oneday, but also a get away from the days events... i should mention i found my recently exed-gf after she tried to OD on random pain killers and alcohol tuesday after work... that put me into a shit mood for sure...

was nice, chilled etc etc as per usual. eventually went to bed on the tail end of the high. when i layed down to try and sleep, zero light and zero noise, i felt like i was somewhere else, outer body experience for sure! dreaming so vividly, but i was just 'there' enough to move or bring myself to if i wanted [not 'holed'?]. each time i could just roll over and doze back off to that state. i loved it... didnt get to sleep to well though.

as for stopping the suicide/teary/depressed days to come, i think it worked a treat. felt pretty fucking great, all things considered, just not the same anti depressant effects as when i havnt had the MDxx prior.
 
copying this from my post in the MXE thread, my little 'experiment' with the shitty moods the few days after, and MDA vs MDMA cross tollerance.


cant say iv tripped off mxe, untill this week. i had a great weekend on MDA[.1g 11pm fri night] and then MDMA [.1g midnight sunday night], can deffinietly say i noticed ZERO cross tollerance as the MDMA floored me!! wow-zers night... so i thought id try it to avoid the suicide wens/thurs and dosed .02g, up the nose tuesday night. an experiment i sort of planned for oneday, but also a get away from the days events... i should mention i found my recently exed-gf after she tried to OD on random pain killers and alcohol tuesday after work... that put me into a shit mood for sure...

was nice, chilled etc etc as per usual. eventually went to bed on the tail end of the high. when i layed down to try and sleep, zero light and zero noise, i felt like i was somewhere else, outer body experience for sure! dreaming so vividly, but i was just 'there' enough to move or bring myself to if i wanted [not 'holed'?]. each time i could just roll over and doze back off to that state. i loved it... didnt get to sleep to well though.

as for stopping the suicide/teary/depressed days to come, i think it worked a treat. felt pretty fucking great, all things considered, just not the same anti depressant effects as when i havnt had the MDxx prior.

I think I've rolled about 10 times now and only 2 of those times I've noticed negative side effects after coming down and further on during the week. If you can get some MDMA that isn't cut with any amphetamines (or anything else) the comedown should not be noticeable.
 
the crystal im getting doesnt have a comedown as such, its smooth and easy on the body, its just the low mood i, and all my mates, get the few days after. i couldnt count how many times iv rolled, not bragging, but on good quality stuff, we always havea tough tuesday or wednsday. sunday and mondays are almost always a very bliss after glow feeling... really makes work enjoyable!
 
on the topic of MDMA degrading...I've had about .5 in a little baggy, inside a container inside my draw. It's been there since about december. We have had some pretty hot nights in the summer and my room does tend to get quite hot. I noticed about a month ago that inside the baggy it has developed moisture. It looks like there is a small amount of water in there :S I'm not sure how to explain it..i can upload a photo if people would like but i am just wondering if this will affect the crystals? Because a few people mentioned liquid will ruin them, but it is a very small amount and i've also seen people putting their mdma in water bottles n things and drinking the water as a method of consumption. 8)
 
Bacteria can grow from moisture, people put it in their water bottles but it is consumed straight away, not stored for ages....

I generally consume my stash fairly quickly so never had this problem :)

Sounds a bit dodgy to me but im no expert :/
 
on the topic of MDMA degrading...I've had about .5 in a little baggy, inside a container inside my draw. It's been there since about december. We have had some pretty hot nights in the summer and my room does tend to get quite hot. I noticed about a month ago that inside the baggy it has developed moisture. It looks like there is a small amount of water in there :S I'm not sure how to explain it..i can upload a photo if people would like but i am just wondering if this will affect the crystals? Because a few people mentioned liquid will ruin them, but it is a very small amount and i've also seen people putting their mdma in water bottles n things and drinking the water as a method of consumption. 8)

I've had a pressed pill do that (pink merc BZP) not saving it,well i am but to keep the reaction of BZP fresh in my mind and also the taste..The pill is completely turned to power and has now dryed out.I have no idea how to fix this problem.As for that consumtion method i have done that with some meth and a few ml's of water and that method is quite good.Maybe open the bag your MDMA is in and leave it over night n see what happpens? i agree with brenno it dose sound dodgy have you regant tested you crystals?
 
Yeah mate have reagent tested. Fizzing and small amount of smoke. I know it's the goods because it was originally a full gram but i ate half and have just been saving the rest for a rainy day.
 
Yeah mate have reagent tested. Fizzing and small amount of smoke. I know it's the goods because it was originally a full gram but i ate half and have just been saving the rest for a rainy day.

yeah true true strange,i forgot to mention that the pill got really really moist then turned to powder and dryed out this was like over a year or so it looked like some kind of oil (maybe a bulking agent) i've seen it in a few pills a mate went to whack up a pill (white honda/barrle) and after he added water and the pill dissolved oil apperd on the out side edges of the spoon cunt still whacked it up yes i know very fucking stupid :\.A mate of mine had a gram of meth go through the wash inside 2 baggies n some water got in it he offerd it up to me for dirt cheap so all i did was empty the bag tip it onto a big plate scaped the bag n spread it out left it over night in the dark and the next day it was fine smoked up good and every thing.

that amsterdam molly fucking rules 100mg-120mg got us off fucking chops!too bad theres only half a gram left for the doof on this weekend.
 
that amsterdam molly fucking rules 100mg-120mg got us off fucking chops!too bad theres only half a gram left for the doof on this weekend.

ahha. yea I got some imported from europe (not sure where), my friend's reaction after trying it was similar to yours ;) I'm looking forward to the weekend, hopefully I don't over do it and end up lyin on the floor rubbing my face on the carpet n shit lol
 
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