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"The" Message": Entity Contact and the Illusory Universe

Yes. I love this idea. I think Alan Watts was imagining something very similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V055PQoaomg

I'm very happy to see that someone else thought of Alan Watts when reading this thread. I think he makes some of the most sensible explanations for this.

Alan Watts also wrote my favorite quote of all time, it's such an unbelievably loaded sentence with so few words. "When you get the message, hang up the phone."
 
For me, the message is simple. Like this

Our souls are just part of supreme soul. Element is One. Higher self of every living being is the same. That includes humans, animals, plants, elements, matter-consciousness itself.

Religious texts appear to be different but they are talking about the same thing. In more or less effective and sensible way.

Individual consciousness is just a wave on a big ocean that is Cosmic/Absolute Consciousness. The whole universe is like a Universal Mind, not machine.

And evolution is not matter of coincidence. There is an intelligence. A creative cosmic principle. And because of it there is human being. Because of it's "ego" and ignorance that leads to identification with empty, interdependent and temporary "Self" it very far from knowing it's nature. Human - a being that is the furthest from experiencing unity with the whole Cosmos.

But at the sime time that being is closest to it.

Because there is possibility for human being to transcendend that lower, temporary Self and experience unity with whole Cosmos. To get to know it's Higher Self. To pursue and achieve enlightenment.

Atman is a part of Paramatman. They are the same in their nature.

And that's not all.

Nature of every thing is emptiness. And I am not talking about nihilism and nothingness. But "Self"-lessness. That both matter and consiousness are "made" of pure potential. They tend to be or are probable to be. There is no substance in anything, and all phenomena are interdependent.

That primodial Void (Sunyata) is ultimate paradox. It has no concrete form itself, but at the same time it contains all phenomena in their pure potential form. So emptiness = form.

So one element of universe can reflect every other elements just as they are, their "thussness", not subjective feelings about them. And that is the "Buddha Nature".

yes I agree with you, the primordial Void, thus is, our ultimate, original, true nature, is infinite potential -which is certainly a paradox, as while it has not concrete form, and thus it can be perceive as "nothing*, it contains all potential phenomena in itself, and therefore is the original source of everything -taoism preaches that too
 
And we should not forget about the ultimate transcendence attainable for single being, which is state that is called Clear Light/Ordinary Mind/Dharmakaya. State of consciousness which cannot be conceptualized and described in words. Thus, there is no possibility of "imagining" the state of fully enlightened mind. Reading about it will not give it justice, thinking about it is pointless. And so on.

Encountering all that states is not for just experiencing it. It teaches individual about possibilities of loving-kindness and redemption, not only for that individual, but for humanity as a whole.

What is clearly happening right now is nothing else than "race for consciousness".

As for what this topic is called. The true and pure message has been already given to this world

http://www.etapasvi.com/en/teachings/91/maitreya-message-maitreya-sandesh

In this crucial time there would be no other option for humanity but having fully enlightened being (samyak-sambodhi) as a teacher. Ram Bahadur Bomjon, Dharma Sangha. I strongly recommend reading more about this joyous topic.

Remember how fruitful was single meditation of Gautama Siddharta. Now we have next meditation of that scale. But now we have internet, 7 billion people on Earth and we are facing economical, moral and political crisis of unprecedented scale. Either humanity will slowly become conscious of it nature and sufficient number of individuals will undergo deep emotional and spiritual transformation, or...
 
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You just don't understand it. And it is not weird thing. Because you judge it based upon your assumptions and stereotypes that have been embed in your temporary identity. Real dharma is not about reading, rituals, dogmas or anything like that. Real dharma is pure experience. Buddha himself said that everybody should verify his claims, not believe them. Dharma is not based on faith in something, but experiencing it.

It is common for people to not understand it. Because dharma is not based on thinking and making up philosophy based on your thoughts and what seems sensible. It is universal law dressed with words and concepts that helps one who practicise it to reach state that there is no more need for any words etc Therefore it's origin is experiencing reality in pure transcendental state of consciousness. Without practice of intense and skillful meditation and gradual mystical experience you won't understand it's source and nature. It is not coincedence that most profound experiences with psychedelics tend to guide people to dharmic practice and philosophy.

And meditation, if done correctly, is better and more profound than psychedelic trips (I mean real yogic practice, not just simply "clearing your mind up" and being relaxed, that is just basis, not main thing).

And you won't achieve stable state through psychedelics. Because those substances/plants are nothing more than just temporary insight. They just show you the way. You must walk through it in sober state

and btw what Ram Bahadur Bomjon will teach is not Buddhism ;) It is path discovered anew.

What I am trying to say, is that psychedelic drugs are not necessary and sometimes even counter-productive for development. And they will never really replace systematic and long-lasting yogic practice.
 
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Now you're just stating ideology as fact bro. Chill pill, and remember that your gods aren't mine.
 
What I point to, is the fact, that probably most profound mystical experiences during holotropic state of consciousness lead to this paradoxical state of emptiness that is form, which is core of what Buddha have taught. And this is true in case of people who were never interested in it before, and never had any practice etc I mean that it can be experienced even if you don't care about whole buddhism-thing beforehand. And no other spiritual tradition emphasize this matter. Therefore we don't speak about ideology in this case (since ideology is product of mind) but about system of practices and knowledge that helps one to reach state of consciousness, in which ideologies are completely unnecessary thing.
 
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moc, you're completely disregarding many other experiences..
What about Christian experiences of ascension and NDEs and feelings of communion.
What about Hindi ideas that there is no void or empty consciousness, that it's rather feeling it all?

You can't have tunnel-vision with this material, or else you just end up encircled by personal beliefs.
 
moc, you're completely disregarding many other experiences..
What about Christian experiences of ascension and NDEs and feelings of communion.
What about Hindi ideas that there is no void or empty consciousness, that it's rather feeling it all?

You can't have tunnel-vision with this material, or else you just end up encircled by personal beliefs.

MOC, youve repeatedly said in this thread that you dont know what youre talking about but you refuse to even *consider* human experiences and learning in this realm (those on this forum or even Einstein and Buddhism (!)). Its foolish to think that the mental states brought on by psychedelics are the end all and dangerous to truly believe them as fact. You sound a bit delusional in fact, your posts sound like the paranoid ramblings of a street "profit."

I think its important to realize that Jesus and the Buddha went against the established religions of the time, they were truly awakened people able to see the world not clouded by mental projections. It is only in the 2000/2500 years since these people walked the earth that the institution of religion rose up around their teachings and has altered (especially with Jesus) their words.

I think that the "message" is a message at the core of human experience, the realization and embodiment of nothingness, or the void or whatever you choose to call it is enlightenment. I believe humans are at their very core yearning for this because it means the end of suffering and seeing the truth that is present in this very moment.
 
I don't disregard anything, I point out the fact that there are several levels of experience, but just as transpersonal psychology research shows, on it's farthest reaches, consiousness nature seems to be empty. And that leads individual to notice that this domain of experiecing consciousness is completely compatible with dharmic practice.

Plus I don't seperate mystical experiences on meditation/psychedelics/breathwork, since "sober life" and those experiences create complementary process which is life


eye_wide_open - yes you can learn how to meditate, but it is fact, that more advanced techniques with body- and breath-work can be learned from monks
 
The christian religion is an exact almost word for word copy of the Egyptian religion.
The real god is our Sun, who rises again every day.

YES! YES! YES! I have this pet theory that the real locus of consciousness are Stars, with their super high energy complex magnetic processes, that they somehow involve quantum processes and maybe even mini-singularities & wormholes etc linking them to "The" Cosmic Awareness, creating a "field of awareness" extending to our planet (which is linked to the Sun magnetically) that evolution merely designed our brains to tune into like radio receivers ... OK OK I'll write a sci-fi/fantasy/mystical/mystery story about that one day soon!

""Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe..." from
"Now It Can Be Told" http://forum.poppies.org/index.php?showtopic=2953&mode=threaded&pid=25084
Excerpted from the fictional author Kilgore Trout’s fictional book “Now It Can Be Told” in “Breakfast of Champions” by Kurt Vonnegut

"Scientists Record Music From The Sun" http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1881798/scientists_record_music_from_the_sun/

Where were you...When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
One of the questions God put to Job in the 38th chapter of the the Book of Job. (quote used as opening card for film "Tree of Life")

Psalm 138:3 Praise him, sun and moon, praise him, all you shining stars.

Listen "Auuuummmmmmmmmm!"
http://soundcloud.com/university-of-sheffield/sound-of-the-sun

Listen to the sound recording at the bottom of this page >>>
Solar Music http://markitscience.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html

Wow, incredible music!

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"Mystery From the Sun: Huge Solar Storm Still Puzzles 11 Years Later" http://www.space.com/12264-sun-storm-mystery-bastille-day-event.html

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Modeling the Sun's Emerging Magnetic Field http://www.nas.nasa.gov/SC11/demos/demo13.html

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Visualization of the complex magnetic field produced as magnetic flux rises toward the Sun's surface from the deep convection zone. The image shows a snapshot of how the magnetic field has evolved two days from the time uniform, untwisted, horizontal magnetic field started to be advected by inflows at the bottom (20 megameters deep). Axes are in megameters, and the color scale shows the log of the magnetic field strength. Robert Stein, Michigan State University; Tim Sandstrom, NASA/Ames

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http://solarcellcentral.com/sun_page.html

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http://harimedia.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=563&start=1050

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The Egg Nebula
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Maybe psychedelics activate your imagination and there for out there theories that reside in the subconscious be it you believe in aliens or jesus or not; become real and your are speaking to these "beings" when actually it is your conscious controlling the trip but it seems like another being because you are detached from your conscious. I wish I could put it into better wording, and that's my theory of it. To literally believe things that your are seeing or tripping is a bit........well like someone above said, if early humans ate psychedelics and uncovered new ideas then this is probably the beginning of religious thoughts and as an atheist I believe that to be a bad thing, so believing what you see on your trips would be a bit eccentric without the right scientific research on what happens with these substances.

But I'm not a scientist, or religious and I do not have any experience in vivid trips so my opinion is a guess, when it comes to a time when I have experienced this then maybe my mind will have changed but for now I stick by my opinion and I doubt my mind will be changed.
 
moc, I guess all I'm saying is don't get so absorbed in the truth where you found it that you can't see it everywhere else.
Hell, I learned a lot from Buddhism, just like I've learned plenty from Hinduism, Christianity, Science, Psychedelics, and my models.
I just mean there isn't such a thing as an absolute truth.

Besides, I experience what you're talking about all the time.
It's just a way of viewing things. And I've rid the talent of all symbolic associations in my mind, too.
So now it's just a pure model, an abstract. It develops into that funny levitation and the backwards mirror.

I think it's like eyes_wide_open says, they're all just attempts to steal it. Because really, we're just talking about light.

So thanks DwayneHoover for all the illumination aha.

Have fun soon Carlqua!
 
I guess all I'm saying is don't get so absorbed in the truth where you found it that you can't see it everywhere else.
Hell, I learned a lot from Buddhism, just like I've learned plenty from Hinduism, Christianity, Science, Psychedelics, and my models.
I just mean there isn't such a thing as an absolute truth.

Besides, I experience what you're talking about all the time.

That pretty much sums up what I would have to say. All religions are paths towards the sheer beauty of "the" message and, at the same time, instruments to control the masses.
Some of them are more useful as paths, some are more useful as instruments. It is you who should make your own religion, if you want it to be 100% path and 0% instrument of domination. Getting to know previous religions (both current ones like Buddhism, Christianism, etc and dead ones like Vedic, Egyptian, Greek pre-Hellenic and Hellenic) will only help you.

A treasure of centuries of centuries (saecula saeculorum in the very accomplished latin way to put it) of human enlightment is there for you to explore it, and if you have had personal Illumination, i.e. if you've seen The Message in a clear, unequivocal way like so many of us psychedelic people did, it will help you loads too.

Peace and love for you guys.
 
The belief that reality is an illusion is a common thread found in cultures since the begining of time. There is even a nursery rhyme about it..."Row,row,row your boat gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream...". Perform the mundane tasks that are required on your journey in life but take it easy and be happy because this is all just an illusion.
 
I am going to respond to this in a week or so....I'm on pg 2 and loooovin it...! Lol, a lot to take in....hope it maintains as much finesse as it began with....see ya in a week when I'm up-to-date on what you guys are talking about ha :-)
 
The belief that reality is an illusion is a common thread found in cultures since the begining of time. There is even a nursery rhyme about it..."Row,row,row your boat gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream...". Perform the mundane tasks that are required on your journey in life but take it easy and be happy because this is all just an illusion.

Yeah, I hadn't thought of the nursery rhyme. Good call.

If life is a dream, it's still real, isn't it? It just exists in a different form. Why do we care whether or not life is a "dream"? And if it is, who's dreaming it? God? Aliens?
 
Right man if life is a dream, then the substantiality of what we conceive a dream to hold is redefined.

Makes me think of physics almost....I've heard someone say 'you cannot break a law of physics, you can only do something which doesn't cnform to our current understanding of physics laws.' Stretching the boundaries of what we understand and have beaed witness to, whether its the boundary of some physical phenomenon, or the boundary of ones grasp of life's substance still serves only to re-define the 'ultimate' construct, not defy or break any of it.

I like the second part too, who is dreaming it lol...I've thought of that before. Maybe its a video game or movie being watched from some higher dimension, or through some submersive technology matrix-style. Lol, I'm not saying that is the case though. God would make sense I think if anything is to be a sbstabtial answer from our narrow grasp of the topic material lol.
 
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