"The" Message": Entity Contact and the Illusory Universe

[cosmic._.ape]

"We want to know what you, as a drug addict, think.

i'm not a drug addict but i agree with what i wrote -i could re-write it using a synonymous dictionary and trying to change a bit the grammar, but i don't think i could improve it, so what's the point? ...if you could tell what you don't understand or why you disagree i might get a clue of how to explain it better or why i'm wrong

and i don't get "leg shakers", whatever it is

 

[max_]

i'm not a drug addict but i agree with what i wrote -i could re-write it using a synonymous dictionary and trying to change a bit the grammar, but i don't think i could improve it, so what's the point? ...if you could tell what you don't understand or why you disagree i might get a clue of how to explain it better or why i'm wrong

and i don't get "leg shakers", whatever it is

I think "leg shakers" is that overwhelming feeling of like "woah my god I can't believe this is so awesome I'm so happy I'm alive" that gets your face all numb and your legs shaking. This also happens when you get "the runner's high" and it's called endorphins (not to underestimate endorphins and their role in all these).
btw, the sistine chapel's picture was amazing, thanks.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

ok i'll try to summarise my favourite bits and quotations attempting to explain the message: my 10 pounds

"30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]?" (John 10:30-34)

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we -thus is, "god"- were a single solitary consciousness existing in The Void for all eternity. back then, before the original big-bang, we were the eternal energy of consciousnesses/time, or infinite potential, not yet manifested

...but it feels so lonely in eternity being just one
being one (or the One), the only way for us to enjoy company is by forgetting our true nature of eternal communion by dividing or bifurcating ourselves repeatedly until, in a huge cosmic explosion, we gave birth to what we know as existence: the mind/dream of the goddess/god, whose purpose for the process is one suffused with infinite empathy, aka divine love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9dEAx5Sgw

as deeper as we divide ourselves, as more feeble the memory of being all One becomes; therefore making the illusion of being separated in a universe of separated objects or beings feel more and more real.
as real this illusion of separation feels, as further we get to know ourselves (or shall i say: "figments of ourselves"), by perceiving and experiencing our disparage behaviours, attitudes, perceptions, dreams, inventions etc -the acts we experience as *living*

the one and only thing that prevents us from directly experiencing ourselves as the Unitary Energy Being that we are is our ego and the beliefs, ideas, and illusions that our ego uses to artificially construct its/our sense of self

in the end, what i'm writing about is liberation from fear. liberation from fear of being oneself. liberation from the fear of reality. liberation from the fear of life and the fear of death. liberation from the fear of succeeding or failing. liberation from trying and relaxing into infinite nature of being, right here, right now

“‘Liberation,’ Dr. Robert began again, ‘the ending of sorrow, ceasing to be what you ignorantly think you are and becoming what you are in fact. For a little while, thanks to the moksha-medicine, you will know what it’s like to be what in fact you are, what in fact you always have been. What a timeless bliss! But, like everything else, this timelessness is transient. Like everything else, it will pass. And when it has passed, what will you do with this experience?’ […]
‘Will you merely enjoy them as you would enjoy an evening at the puppet show, and then go back to business as usual. Or, having glimpsed, will you devote your lives to the business, not at all as usual, of being what you are in fact?’ ("the Island", Aldous Huxley, Ch. 10, p. 208)

"Between sentient Awareness and insentient matter is an illusion formed in the mind. Moksha is seen as a final release from this illusion when one's worldly conception of self is erased and there takes place a loosening of the shackle of experiential duality, accompanied by the realization of one's own fundamental nature: sat (true being), cit (pure consciousness), and ananda, an experience which is ineffable and beyond sensation (see satcitananda).
Advaita holds that Atman, Brahman, and Paramatman are all one and the same - the formless Nirguna Brahman which is beyond the being/non-being distinction, tangibility, and comprehension."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha

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"29. For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.

30. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all."

(Liber AL vel Legis sub figura CCXX (The Book of the Law), Chapter 1)"

 

[TangerinO]

Am I only one thinking this thread has become highly convoluted?

There's a little bit of truth in what everyone has said here though, and I think that is kind of the point.
I remember having a large conversation on acid once about how we humans are just part of a bigger consciousness, in other words: what we know as our universe is literally a giant brain of another far bigger being, and that everything we know are it's neurons, and when we argue and disagree and bicker and fight and come to conclusions, we do so as a whole, and it is how the mind of this being and perhaps, how our minds may work.
If you've having trouble following it's because I'm stoned, and not explaining myself properly but this conversation was largely based on this picture. --> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/08/14/science/0815-sci-webSCIILLO.jpg -- Couldn't get the embed to work, but basically it shows the physical similarities between neurons and the universe.

So imagine that everything is fractals, the same form but infinitely smaller and larger. Now imagine if neurons are universes, and vice versa and they exist in an enormous fractal. Basically what I'm saying is we came to conclude that it's possible that universes, and neurons are the same thing, and they exist within each other at infinitely large sizes, and infinitely small sizes.

Of course I'm not suggesting I believe this to be fact, but it's interesting to ponder the idea that everything we know and experience is simply just so a being of greater complexity can draw it's conclusions upon our collective experiences because we together make up it's neurons, and therefore it's brain. And that our brains are full of universes, doing the same kind of things we're doing here, going about their subjective experiences to create everything we are, and on goes the infinite lattice of the neuron universe fractal.

Who knows maybe we took too much acid though

 

[Aporia]

if you believe in an origin
then you believe in nothing becoming everything
which is a logical impossibility

i believe we are eternal
and therefore uncreated
which is logically possible

‎...or as Tranced beautifully expressed here:



(nothing new i know pagans and scientists knew and know it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9dEAx5Sgw

It's not that I necessarily "believe" in an origin, and it's the problem of origin that intrigues me. The whole 'we are eternal, there is no death, etc etc etc' really doesn't turn me on. Actually quite the opposite. Part of me feels as if it's just an easy way to avoid coming to terms with death. I could be wrong though, as I profess no knowledge, just many questions. However I still don't understand human's need to be immortal. The idea of always existing seems horrible..to run around in circles again and again and again-no thank you. Do my emotions run high when I think about death? Yes, of course they do. But do I long for the time when I am released from my emotions? Yes I do




On topic though-
I have not to this date received "The Message" as ya'll have been talking about. I have yet to come into contact with otherwordly energies, really I haven't experienced anything other than what has been rollin around my own head. Maybe I just haven't dosed as high as ya'll yet, but my husband has and he hasn't had contact with any of this message either.
Do I seek it? I'd be a liar if I said no, however I do seek with caution and am not sure if I'm ready to have that experience yet as it does alienate people from those around them. To put a value judgement on the alienation would not be my place. It is interesting how the mystical state and the "mentally ill" state (hope ya'll know what I'm talking about here) are so close to each other. The dichotomy between the two seems to be a symbol of humanity's struggle between religion and science and some of us get caught in the cross fire.
These experiences are ineffable, as someone above me mentioned. And ya'll are right, people have had these experiences, in some form or another for a LOOONG time-so yes maybe there is some truth to it. But if there is, the one thing that I do believe is that we will never be able to prove it to anyone. These truths will come to us individually-to those who need it or to those who are ready for it. However the problem is in this situation is maybe, just maybe, this IS all there is. And that in itself is hard to accept, especially when people have these experiences. It's a tough cookie to handle guys. The discussions that lead from it are wonderful and I am happy that we all have a place like this to get these experiences out.

The author Willam James (American Philosopher of the Mind) has some very interesting things to say in his book "The Variety of Religious Experiences" that deal with the different states of consciousness.

Hope my ramblings make sense

 

[TangerinO]

^ Ever since I started using LSD I developed a new found respect for the so called "Mentally ill"}

I can safely say from experience that it's more than useful to be at least half insane some of the time.

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

I think this is all there is.. But I mean, think about it, our worlds are incomprehensible to anyone else, and variably infinite forever.
Plus I think it's a pretty concept to illustrate that we're each the universe, and we live on the edge of space.

 

[Topmid]

Why else would these drugs be illegal? This world is built off of corruption and lies, greed and power. We grow up thinking that we HAVE to work to be "successful", we HAVE to look a certain way to be seen as "beautiful", we HAVE to act this way for others to "accept" us. Well some of us don't think that way because we're smarter than that. We know that there is a thing called LIFE outside of all the lies and we use psychedelic drugs to validate our opinions. These drugs are not made for fucking around with, they are here to expose us to the truth. Some people can't accept the truth and continue to live in a life full of lies. But once you get that break-through trip and you see it all, there's no going back, you can finally see the world the way it's meant to be seen. These drugs will never be legal so long as this corrupted government stays in power. They don't want us to know the truth. Everybody is born with the "truth," it's just that we all get brainwashed as we grow up. I believe this is why these drugs seem to show everybody the same thing. The truth is hidden somewhere deep inside your brain, and the psychedelics bring them to the surface.

 

[TangerinO]

^ Fuck yes. Couldn't have said it better myself.

But no one can say it better than Mulder "The truth... Is out there!" -- That's a joke

 

[cosmic._.ape]

It's not that I necessarily "believe" in an origin, and it's the problem of origin that intrigues me.

there's no more than two possibilities, you can argue there is a beginning, a point in time where everything starts -but then what was before that point? how come that from nothing, something comes up? can you see the irrationality of believing in a beginning? if you do argue a beginning, then you argue for something (rather, everything) coming from nothing

that's why i agree with Carl Sagan and many other physicists who favour the no-begging possibility: we (thus is, existence) have always existed. we are eternal and uncreated.

The whole 'we are eternal, there is no death, etc etc etc' really doesn't turn me on. Actually quite the opposite. Part of me feels as if it's just an easy way to avoid coming to terms with death. I could be wrong though, as I profess no knowledge, just many questions. However I still don't understand human's need to be immortal.

we are not immortal as humans.
if you have a look at the theory of evolution, from the cosmic big bang, it's very easy to get the notion that the whole cosmos is an organism of which we are a part; a kind of cosmic animal in permanent development.
we, human beings, are the human part of such organism, in the same way as our nails are the "nails" part of the human organism.
as human beings we are a mortal, thus is, transient, part of existence but, after consuming psychedelics, just like if the nail suddenly remembered being human, some of us remember being the the totality, and not just a part; we remember being the infinite "god/goddess/god", and therefore eternal

The idea of always existing seems horrible..to run around in circles again and again and again-no thank you. Do my emotions run high when I think about death? Yes, of course they do. But do I long for the time when I am released from my emotions? Yes I do

i know perfectly what you mean. it is with great shock that we glimpse at the radical bitter loneliness of being the totality of all that exists. this is one of the reasons such knowledge is the biggest taboo. there's not scape from being... best we came up was to forget our true nature, to divide ourselves an infinite number of times so we could forget we are alone for eternity and more... we, the whole universe, are the result of the disgust our eternity represents to us -i believe we are doing a great work of forgetting, aren't we?
still, regarding the released of emotions you don't need to worry about -it will come. once you die and realise you are the universe all your emotions will be released, as you'll understand there's nothing to worry really -life it's just a ride

"...I am talked to by 'gods' who tell me that everything in this life is an illusion and that I already know because I have been there before (I interpreted this as re-incarnation). These 'gods' then encourage me to come and join them 'up there where I belong'..." (imonfire)

we are the gods, we are the universe, is just that we forgot it at birth to play this game of being ourselves -we are the universe, or the gods, wearing a mask, a persona, pretending to be a separate being -therefore the part of the message saying life is an illusion can be interpreted as "life is a cosmic game we play by dividing ourselves in an infinite number of beings and forgetting our true nature".

The part of the message that feels like a radical deja vu, that strong feeling of having been there before, of arriving *home* at last, comes from the fact that such realisation is the realisation of our true nature as the totality

 

[TheAppleCore]

...if we could ask a dog why he keeps chasing his own tail, he might come up with something like that: "my own tail...? humm... possible... but then, why it keeps moving away everytime i want to get a good grasp of it? and why it seems to move on its accord everytime i want to have a hard look at it? and why it does this and that etc?

now imagine that our "tail" is the rest of this infinite existence we are... there you go

Yes. I love this idea. I think Alan Watts was imagining something very similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V055PQoaomg

 

[PandaGun]

I would have thought we just do not wanna die, it's a conjuration through drugs that all produce some sort of ego loss. We are a bunch of chemicals, built to survive on the planet and our bodies are not going to let drugs tell us we are going to die peak times 2k12. That is not how we are built. Which then goes to say.. are we actually a bunch of chemicals! X files music ensues

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

Not everyone fears death. Even neurologically, suicidal or otherwise ”unstable” (for lack of a better word) people don't utilize the generally agreed upon survival methodology. Plus, the drugs aren't ever saying you're gonna die.. Your mind does that, falsely, because unless you OD'ed, you're not in real danger.

Also, I am not just chemicals. I am more than the sum of my parts.

 

[sonic_reality]

Imagine yourself at the centre of the universe. You are the singularity. You are the big bang. You can see everything infront, behind, above, below, left, right, inside, outside, under, over and around you, all at the same time. You are the moment. You are it and it is everything, and nothing. You are all, but you are one. You are everything that ever is, was and ever will be, and it is all happening right now. Now is the very definition of the past and the meaning of the future. There is no meaning, there is only life. Life is I. I am You. You are Me. Me are We. We are free. Freedom is a figment of your imagination because your imagination is a figment of your freedom. Imagine that!

 

[cosmic._.ape]

Imagine yourself at the centre of the universe. You are the singularity. You are the big bang. You can see everything infront, behind, above, below, left, right, inside, outside, under, over and around you, all at the same time. You are the moment. You are it and it is everything, and nothing. You are all, but you are one. You are everything that ever is, was and ever will be, and it is all happening right now. Now is the very definition of the past and the meaning of the future. There is no meaning, there is only life. Life is I. I am You. You are Me. Me are We. We are free. Freedom is a figment of your imagination because your imagination is a figment of your freedom. Imagine that!

lol that's great

"I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpil_pRUiw :D

 

[eye_wide_open]

silence of the apes.

 

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[mocnowidno]

For me, the message is simple. Like this

Our souls are just part of supreme soul. Element is One. Higher self of every living being is the same. That includes humans, animals, plants, elements, matter-consciousness itself.

Religious texts appear to be different but they are talking about the same thing. In more or less effective and sensible way.

Individual consciousness is just a wave on a big ocean that is Cosmic/Absolute Consciousness. The whole universe is like a Universal Mind, not machine.

And evolution is not matter of coincidence. There is an intelligence. A creative cosmic principle. And because of it there is human being. Because of it's "ego" and ignorance that leads to identification with empty, interdependent and temporary "Self" it very far from knowing it's nature. Human - a being that is the furthest from experiencing unity with the whole Cosmos.

But at the sime time that being is closest to it.

Because there is possibility for human being to transcendend that lower, temporary Self and experience unity with whole Cosmos. To get to know it's Higher Self. To pursue and achieve enlightenment.

Atman is a part of Paramatman. They are the same in their nature.

And that's not all.

Nature of every thing is emptiness. And I am not talking about nihilism and nothingness. But "Self"-lessness. That both matter and consiousness are "made" of pure potential. They tend to be or are probable to be. There is no substance in anything, and all phenomena are interdependent.

That primodial Void (Sunyata) is ultimate paradox. It has no concrete form itself, but at the same time it contains all phenomena in their pure potential form. So emptiness = form.

So one element of universe can reflect every other elements just as they are, their "thussness", not subjective feelings about them. And that is the "Buddha Nature".

This message comes from many months of meditation, holotropic breathwork and psychedelic experiences.