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"The" Message": Entity Contact and the Illusory Universe

If this "God" was all powerful, could he not make it so he couldnt directly interfere with us? In fact, thats one of the main points of Christianity, that we have the choice to come to the light or not.

People will always be opposed to these kinds of ideas, and that completely reasonable. These insights came from personal deliberation and meditation, you cant share that with words. These evil forces will always want to cast doubt into our minds, remember we are fighting a war here.


If you dont believe the things that are being said here, then you must believe at least some of the theories about the NWO, ask yourself, do they not all connect?



*insert twilight zone song*
 
Can we stay a little bit on topic and save the shotgun free-associative ranting for places specific to those individual ideas? e_w_o you ought to have your own blog somewhere (isn't there a blog area here at BL?) in which to get some of these thoughts & ideas, interesting and entertaining as they are, off your chest on a permanent basis, you clearly have ALOT to say, my friend! I'm not sure what WTC (please lets not add conspiracy theory 101 to this topic) has to do with where "The" Message comes from and why it keeps being repeated throughout human history so distinctly.
 
Aw, nobody liked my Tractatus quotes?

I can interpret them only slightly.

Let's say I am a very clever expositor. I can explain, in a comprehensible fashion, any of the facts of the world. And surely, the reception of these facts will have an effect on people who read them. Now consider the situation: someone hits you on the arm. Nothing I can say might have the same effect as hitting you on the arm. There is a limit on what understanding can do for us, and what lies beyond cannot by definition be understood. That which can be understood -- everything in the world -- is trivial.

The Gateless Gate:

"I allow the barbarian's realization, but I do not allow his understanding.

When an ignorant man realizes it, he is a sage.

When a sage understands it, he is ignorant."
 
DwayneHoover said:
... and why it keeps being repeated throughout human history so distinctly.[/U][/B]
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Would it be possibly true to say that this idea (and others) get repeating or re-discovered consistently because they contain a (un-provable) truth? Or is it similar to the visual form constants and reveals something about our own neural architecture and inherent bias?

But I'd say the better and more productive message one may receive through psychedelics is the idea that fear is pointless and completely untenable with regard to living in the most full way possible.

I must say that this thread is like a microcosm of the psychedelic community what with the range of ideas being discussed. The posts about aliens, conspiracy theories, the pineal gland, New world order, 9/11 are ridiculous and are symptomatic of where the psychedelic seen alienates me (pun not intended). I wonder why psychedelic users often discuss these issues; is there a pre-disposition towards a type of gullibility or do the drugs induce this? Whilst things like aliens/UFO's, the new world order and DMT/pineal gland may be true, its pretty difficult to prove, and even moreso to prove when viewed through through the eyes of a tripper. I am interested in the arcane of modern life, but I've found more to appreciate in things like occult (thelema/gnostic/chaos). Whilst I do think that ufos/etc are irrelevant and the discussing of these things in relation to psychedelics is almost embarassing, I more then understand that many people find magick and occult to be just as embarrassing.
 
willow11 said:
I wonder why psychedelic users often discuss these issues; is there a pre-disposition towards a type of gullibility or do the drugs induce this?
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my theory in response to this is that most people don't have the framework to discuss these areas of thought without resorting to these alien/conspiracy, a watered down leary/mckenna/strassman or "christian deity with a twist" ideas. without a grounding in philosophy/theology or other understandings of cognition, it all starts to get a little unfocussed, a little vague, a little superstitious, a little paranoid. i suppose when you are talking outside the realms of human understanding, we all grapple for whatever foothold we can find - whatever feels slightly familiar on a very rocky slope
i feel like i'm not really contributing much to this conversation because i myself don't really feel well-versed enough to give my 2 cents. i am certainly enjoying the discussion though.
 
eye_wide_open said:
I'm not losing it.
I'm clean cut, applying for jobs, I just got my motorcycle and drivers license combined, I'm ready to go work and better the world! These mind opening substances have bettered me! Although, I' have went on some insane rantings lately to my friends who may think I'm slightly more weird. I think they get a kick out of it to be honest because they've done the stuff too!

Some of them tend to believe some of the things I say because they honestly make quite a bit of sense!

I'm not crazy at all. I'm a perfectly sane normal person posting on other forums doing my hobbies too. I have a girlfriend and a life and we are holding this ship together here in a crap economy. I'm no bum loser on the street. I've pulled myself from the depths of speed and coke and all kinds of crap many years ago before being enlightened. I even quit smoking cigs with the help of weed two and a half years ago.
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This is by no means meant to offend but this strikes me as an utterly superficial and entirely simplistic view of yourself and your place in society. The recurring message that I receive is that none of these collective ego engrained means of measuring ourselves do not mean shit. That the essence of humanity borders on the lines of ineffable, that we are not defined by what we have, we are not where we are in regards to social strata. I am therefore I am. My 2 cents.
 
spacejunk said:
my theory in response to this is that most people don't have the framework to discuss these areas of thought without resorting to these alien/conspiracy, a watered down leary/mckenna/strassman or "christian deity with a twist" ideas. without a grounding in philosophy/theology or other understandings of cognition, it all starts to get a little unfocussed, a little vague, a little superstitious, a little paranoid. i suppose when you are talking outside the realms of human understanding, we all grapple for whatever foothold we can find - whatever feels slightly familiar on a very rocky slope
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Well that's just it... 'The' Message is beyond the comprehension of our everyday consciousness and is terribly difficult to clearly articulate in words. I think that we can see just a bit - the tip of the iceberg - but somehow, deep down we know there's far more. So different people try to link this 'revelation' to things they already 'know' in order to try & make sense. As in the story of the blind men & the elephant. Humans have this strong need to compare, contrast, classify & generally pigeonhole their experiences rather than just accept them as-is.

So then, as to where 'The' Message comes from, I'd hypothesize that it's always been there, kind of like the lingering background radiation from the Big Bang. It's from beyond time (which only exists due to our brain structure) and transcends all attempts to rationalize it. 'The' Message, or subsets of it, is/are likely the driving force behind all religion, all philosophy, all spiritual quests.
 
IMO once these "messages" and "theories" become to important and encompassing, you've lost the real plot to the story......I guess over the years I just realized that psychedelics really only teach you about yourself, sure they aid other thought processes but they don't teach you anything that wasn't already rattling around up there IMO, maybe its just like you never had the other 2 to add into the equation "2+2=4", without the 2, the meaning of equation or what it really could be is somewhat lost IMO. Or maybe its the perfect storm, everything is in line for you to think this way, the binding walls have receded enough for you to finally peer beyond or something to that effect. I mean personally I could spend all day thinking about these sorts of things, the "messages". To me though theres messages in everything you look hard enough into though, so I don't bother spending to much time unless I really feel it worthwhile. I mean honestly, you would rather ponder something that might never mean a thing then exploring yourself and learning new things about you that will and do at this moment mean something? These are chances you never get back IMO(sure you could still learn whatever it was but it make take years for the sort of breakthrough you could have had, or maybe not....no one really knows, isn't that the point afterall?;)). Humanity will always see things in the grand perspective. Its just how we are(everything is always bigger or badder or theres always something more out there than us out there or simply boosting life up to some outrageous level when it could simply just be life and nothing more, nothing less....). Theres always a man/woman out there willing to make a fuss over something no matter how truly insignificant.;) I don't find this however, I have always been blessed and graced in this department to have contentment. I am content that the world is what is and quite possibly nothing more. No fear, no sorrow, only contentment. I suppose i'll throw out a tiny example to throw a bone to those not getting it, Ex) If you were to prove to most humans on this Earth that life was literally worth nothing more than what it is, meaning we have no grand purpose for being here, no one special designated you here or any of those sorts of things, I feel most humans would become truly frightened. Why though? Life would not have changed at all except your perception of it, but before you simply thought there was something and now theres nothing, which sure is frightening but the void was always possibly there in the first place(especially if life has no real purpose)so life will be no different. Ha I wonder why I even bother to type out this non-sense sometimes.....I really do!8(8o ;)
 
What about the perceived understanding of the macrocosm through the microcosm, the fractal nature of reality? If we assume this revelation to occur on an unconcsious level or as formless undercurrent in a trip, and we consider time to be part of the fractal, that might explain the sense of inflated ego to transcendent godhood and feeling that it has all happened before.

Just a random idea I had.
 
Psychedelics, and much discussion just led me to the belief that everything is one.
Time doesn't exist, and everything just "is" in one moment of infinite chaos, and time is just a way for us to sort through the information until we can ascend and see "the big picture"

Just my 2c
 
"Life is a process of bringing the unconscious into consciousness. After we have achieved this we find that we are not the things we brought into consciousness. We are in fact "consciousness" which is the eternal part of ourselves." (John Gallagher)

the one and only thing that prevents anyone from directly experiencing themselves as the Unitary Energy Being that they are is their ego and the beliefs, ideas, and illusions that the ego uses to artificially construct its sense of self in the end

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us a 'universe' a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." (Albert Einstein)

our task is liberty. liberation from fear. liberation from fear of being oneself. liberation from the fear of reality. liberation from the fear of life and the fear of death. liberation from the fear of succeeding or failing. liberation from trying and relaxing into infinite nature of being, right here, right now

“‘Liberation,’ Dr. Robert began again, ‘the ending of sorrow, ceasing to be what you ignorantly think you are and becoming what you are in fact. For a little while, thanks to the moksha-medicine, you will know what it’s like to be what in fact you are, what in fact you always have been. What a timeless bliss! But, like everything else, this timelessness is transient. Like everything else, it will pass. And when it has passed, what will you do with this experience?’ […]

‘Will you merely enjoy them as you would enjoy an evening at the puppet show, and then go back to business as usual. Or, having glimpsed, will you devote your lives to the business, not at all as usual, of being what you are in fact?’ ("the Island", Aldous Huxley, Ch. 10, p. 208

Tom Waits "that feel": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbNg5_Jtd8k
 
TangerinO said:
Psychedelics, and much discussion just led me to the belief that everything is one.
Time doesn't exist, and everything just "is" in one moment of infinite chaos, and time is just a way for us to sort through the information until we can ascend and see "the big picture"

Just my 2c
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yep -i think so too- maybe except that, instead of time not existing, i'd rather say time is the most basic constituent of what we truly are

time doesn't exist as we normally take for granted, i agree with that. Rather, time is the infinite potential that permeates the interstices of this dream we call live -i believe that, before the creation of what we know as the universe -that's it, while spending an eternity in the/as void- we were just time; infinite time, or eternal energy, without space or matter; the absolute potential of a dream not yet manifested
then we got lonely/bore/yearning for love and in a huge cosmic explosion we became starstuff
 
A lot of you guys should relax alot-- The "message" is that there is no message, there is no ultimate truth whatsoever. You just have to enjoy whatever is laying in front of you.
A mother hanging out her son's clothes everyday for years without complaining. A pidgeon gathering little sticks to make a nest. A dog digging out her dead puppy off the ground after the owner put it there. A grandfather cooking dinner for his visiting grandchild. A man not knowing why the fuck does he keep going to the office everyday instead of throwing himself under a train. Life. Life. Life itself and nothing more. The love for life, the instinct of keeping yourself and your species alive.The willingness to keep breathing. Nothing more than that. That is the message, that is all you need to know, that is what 'God' is. The message is love/live (they're both the same thing).
 
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