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Heroin Social: Version 5

ant acid pills and grapefruit are suppose to potentiate methadone - not heroin- ive never noticed a difference but then 'done delibrately has no euphoric content so dont see what its meant to potentiate, if i take alot or drink on top of it the most i can expect is to fall asleep

Re tapers who remembers rolling and twisting loo paper and using them to heat yer gear - actually almost a perfect flame, not to hot .
 
PapaverSom said:
:D :D Nah mate ur supposed to tell me that Im wrong cos u had already realised ur mistake, and then edit ur post to say u hadnt read mine properly, so that we keep on going round and round in a opiate induced space time continuum type prophecy thingy! Right I am gonna shut up now :\

@KKAT _ How decent is the gear ur gouching off then bab?
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I think the gear is really nice
expensive cos can only buy it in bags which I would never normally do
easily pre drought quality
I am someone that rarely ever gouches-even before the drought
 
louie the 16th said:
My Heroin Addiction has recently become public knowledge @ my place of work . Fortunatly my M.D & Operations Director have been extremely supportive & have offerered me any help i require. However the H&S representitive has decided that i am now unfit to do part of my job ( driving large machinary ) due to Methadone being a class A drug under the missuse of drugs act for the Health & Safety Executive.
I explained i am not miss-using it & infact Codeine is a class B drug under the same act , and how many people take that ! I have been doing my job for 6 yrs & have yet to have an accident, this apparantly doesn't matter !
They have asked me to sign a letter giving them permission to speak to my doctor regarding my addictions & whether he thinks i'm safe to carry on in my job.

As you can imagine i told them to Fuck off as obviously i am still using & don't want this to come out as they think i'm only on my meth script. Does anyone know what my position is & what rights do i have if any ?
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I used to be a union health&safety rep at the warehouse where I worked
you are supposed to tell your employer when you start taking meth cos it may impair you reactions(like that's gonna happen)
They are right to take you off heavy machinery-more than anything,it's an insurance issue-that they knew you were taking meth and if you have an accident,their insurance will be invalid
As for what they can and can't ask of you is very much down to the contract you signed when you started working there-not many people ever read these docs as they are very repetitive and dull
if you are concerned or you feel you are being unfairly treated you should contact your union rep(who will assign you a solicitor),or try the CAB who can also put you in contact with a workplace specialist solicitor
you are not the first person who has had this happen so there are laws in place to protect both parties
what I have seen most companies do is when they know/suspect someone of drug use,they initiate a 'random drug testing' policy and immediately pull out the suspected person and maybe a few others-test them and then sack them-and they can usually get away with this because it is somewhere in the smallprint in your contract
hey-good luck fella-but you really need someone to legally represent you through all this
 
@Louis..... basically you have admitted to your boss that you break the law every day, are under the influence of class A drugs and you are unable to do a part of your job you use to do, they can sack you immediately should they want t0 for gross misconduct. If you have a good relationship with them you might be ok but they will be watching you like a hawk, every yawn, if your late, phone in sick etc they will think its down to H - so tread carefully mate.
 
blondin said:
ant acid pills and grapefruit are suppose to potentiate methadone - not heroin- ive never noticed a difference but then 'done delibrately has no euphoric content so dont see what its meant to potentiate, if i take alot or drink on top of it the most i can expect is to fall asleep
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It works for a lot more opiates than just methadone. Scientific evidence confirming or rejecting the use of white grapefruit juice of cimetidine as a potentiator or heroin is lacking, but they are known to potentiate oxycodone, hydrocodone, dihydrocodeine, buprenorphine, and of course as you mentioned, methadone. All that's really out there on the grapefruit and antacids used to potentiate heroin is stuff on message boards like this, but since it's known to potentiate all those other opiates, and I seem to feel higher when I take it before gear, I'll stick with doing so.
 
Tommyboy said:
It works for a lot more opiates than just methadone. Scientific evidence confirming or rejecting the use of white grapefruit juice of cimetidine as a potentiator or heroin is lacking, but they are known to potentiate oxycodone, hydrocodone, dihydrocodeine, buprenorphine, and of course as you mentioned, methadone. All that's really out there on the grapefruit and antacids used to potentiate heroin is stuff on message boards like this, but since it's known to potentiate all those other opiates, and I seem to feel higher when I take it before gear, I'll stick with doing so.
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For opiates injested orally there is some anecdotal evidence that these substances potentiate but who eats heroin? the B/A is about 15-20%
 
Oh yeah i just remembered something about schedule 1/2 CD Injectable Opiate scripts prescribed to addicts.

They would never actually give you the script it was sent on to the pharmacist in advance so they could order in and prepare your Drugs .
With phy amps ( what i used to have ) some of us were on different concerntrates so it all had to be very carefully mon itored.
 
Nevr used GFJ to potentiate heroin as usually when I used to full time use it's was all #4 rock from china in Oz and GFJ will not make much difference if ur slamming that.

But down under it is common for Poppy Seed Tea, Opium, and codeine CWE's (more DXM for codeine for some reason).

Have not been back europe/uk for 2 years but is it still 'brown' over there mostly?
 
blondin said:
For opiates injested orally there is some anecdotal evidence that these substances potentiate but who eats heroin? the B/A is about 15-20%
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I was just eating some (half a point) the other day, but that was rare. I've seen the oral BA as up to 35%, so although not a complete waste, there isn't much of a point when all the other ROAs are more efficient. Anyway, I have always read that when potentiating via enzyme inhibition/induction, ROA is irrelevant. If you are just keeping the liver enzymes busy so they can't break down the drug as fast, it shouldn't matter how the drug got into your system. At the end of the day, it's not going to be making a world of difference.

Do any of you sniff your gear? Obviously I'm from the east coast US where we get powder #4 so it can't be smoked, which leaves only nasal and IV. I prefer nasal though, as I'm not so much after the nod as I am the elevated mood, plus nasal lasts so long. I'm just crashing now after sniffing .15 over 6 hours ago. Must be the cimetidine. ;)
 
kkattastic said:
I used to be a union health&safety rep at the warehouse where I worked
you are supposed to tell your employer when you start taking meth cos it may impair you reactions(like that's gonna happen)
They are right to take you off heavy machinery-more than anything,it's an insurance issue-that they knew you were taking meth and if you have an accident,their insurance will be invalid
As for what they can and can't ask of you is very much down to the contract you signed when you started working there-not many people ever read these docs as they are very repetitive and dull
if you are concerned or you feel you are being unfairly treated you should contact your union rep(who will assign you a solicitor),or try the CAB who can also put you in contact with a workplace specialist solicitor
you are not the first person who has had this happen so there are laws in place to protect both parties
what I have seen most companies do is when they know/suspect someone of drug use,they initiate a 'random drug testing' policy and immediately pull out the suspected person and maybe a few others-test them and then sack them-and they can usually get away with this because it is somewhere in the smallprint in your contract
hey-good luck fella-but you really need someone to legally represent you through all this
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This is a grey area on which a general court ruling is long overdue for want of anyone organised or determined neough to mount a challenge.One of many instances where drug users face discrimination on a premises of dubious accuracy.

Addicts are very vulnerable at work. In yet another drug treatment irony, users who do what productive citizens are supposed to do face the sack at the drop of a hat. Corporate employers introduce random drug testing and neither employees nor unions ask "what's that got to do with anything. Are we judged on the quality of our work or our personal habits?" The premise about reaction times is of uncertain scientific validity but non-users are told it, like so many drug myths and canards, as fact. In practice, the 'drug' provisos are frequently used to allow the dismissal of troublesome employees who are too competent to be removed otherwise. Cousins in the insurance business join in the game and the thought police are closer than we think.
 
@ KKat, cheers for the advice bab , plenty to think about. Although i think i'll hold back on any legal advice @ present as luckily i have a fantastic working relationship with all my superiors . I totally understand where they are coming from regarding insurance etc.. as i can imagine if i had an accident it would no doubt be as a result of my " Drug Addiction " :|
@ Blondin, your right mate i can feel the eyes of suspicion watching me already , at least my time keeping has always been spot on . I have however only admitted being on Methadone so i'm not sure i have given them enough ammo to dismiss me straight away ! Although i'm not naive enough to think it's not possible. As for the driving it's something i choose to do rather than have too , as i'm a supervisor so can delegate this to a member of my team. It's a good job i don't give a fuck what people think of me ..

RE Tapers, those were the days , i spent many an hour rolling 2ft long tapers on my thighs ! A product of a miss-spent youth ! ;)
 
So you're basically sound, Louis? That's good to hear. It's ok if some of your duties been reassigned to cover the insurance as long as you're not relegated to tasks you find a drag. May all remain happy.
 
Aw Louie sorry to hear that your having this hassle in work :( I'm not sure how the law works as regards to MMP & employment? I did read somewhere on the internet that in America they can't fire you for been on methadone, but your not in the US & your not being fired, so its a totally different situation. Maybe your methadone clinic could advise you? I'm sure they have come across this kind of thing before! I'm so sorry to hear that you are going through all this upset, hope your ok mate.?! XXX

On a different note someone on here was talking about Methadone & grapefruit used together, here is a link that might help, it only has a small mention of grapefruit juice, its over half way down, i think its section (n) Some interesting reading:

http://www.medicalassistedtreatment.org/113611/index.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val

RE: Methadone pick up in chemist: I pick up every Friday & i get one dose in chemist & six days take away! My chemist ALWAYS keeps me waiting ages even when i ring up before hand & ask really nicely! I don't know what their problem is?

Anyway my Boyfriend & i were at the chemist to-day, both our doses on a Friday is supervised & we get the rest take-away. When the pharmacist himself serves us he is very discreet, he has to bring our two 60ml doses from behind the counter to a room at the side of the shop, he always covers the two cups of methadone with a paper bag or something, no other customers see or hears anything.

But if he is busy either one of two women give us our dose, both women are dreadful! To-day she shouted at the top of her voice my full name & my bf's full name & then she walks out from behind the counter with two cups of methadone as if she serving drinks in a bar! Everyone that was queuing looked at the cups & then turned around to stare at my boyfriend & i :( When we went into the room i said it to her, as i have done many times in the past. I told her i'm from the area, all my Sons & Daughters friends & their parents use this chemist, i told her that i don't want people knowing my business! She laughed & said i'm so dramatic!!! 8o She is a cheeky bitch! I told her i'd have to mention it to my Doctor this time. I have already mentioned to the Pharmacist in the past. When we came out of the little room people were still string at us! One woman had her mouth open so i asked her was she trying to catch flies!

I'm gonna ask my Doctor to to give me a full 7 day take away, if they trust me with the other 6 days take away then why can't they trust me with the Friday take away as well? Its only a matter of time before someone i know sees me! If my kids found out about my drug use that way i'd die! I just wish the poxey Pharmacist assistant was a bit more professional! She has such a big mouth as well! There is no need to shout our full names out like that! We were standing right beside her!!! It made me so angry to-day!

I'm so sick of the whole set-up!!! I suppose that i accepted this kind of thing more when i could get good gear, i was probably too stoned to let it bother me! But now after not even been properly stoned for over a year & 2 months it really gets on my nerves still having to deal with this kind of crap!!!
 
Cheers Charlie, had a very productive meeting with senior management today . Dare i say they seemed very supportive , we'll see what the next few weeks bring.

@ Ructions, thanks for your kind words bab.
 
For all those unhappy about pick ups and who work why not go private? monthly doc visit, monthly pick up and no pee tests - £100 p/m compared to the amount spent on H a minor expence for a much better way of dealing with disease of addiction.
 
blondin said:
For all those unhappy about pick ups and who work why not go private? monthly doc visit, monthly pick up and no pee tests - £100 p/m compared to the amount spent on H a minor expence for a much better way of dealing with disease of addiction.
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Its not an option for many folk where i live n i'm only 10 mile from Bristol which as you know is a city with a huge Heroin Problem their are no Docs that do private opiate treatment .

In the south east n London is where they all seem to be .
 
brimz said:
Its not an option for many folk where i live n i'm only 10 mile from Bristol which as you know is a city with a huge Heroin Problem their are no Docs that do private opiate treatment .

In the south east n London is where they all seem to be .
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You know,Bristol is where they send people from Wolverhampton to get clean
 
K Kat...You know,Bristol is where they send people from Wolverhampton to get clean

Barley wood ? I went there about 15 years ago , itwas a fucking mad house , people were goin into st paul every night and scoring, and it was like a knocking shop everyone getting stuck up each other.
I left with a girl from Plymouth who had been sent there on a dto.
 
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