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I find I get a comedown from MXE too, which is weird because I don't find it at all stimulating.

Compared to K, which always had an awesome afterglow.
 
It has powerful dopamine stimulant qualities, I didn't feel it in the first few times I did it until I did it everyday for a few days straight.
 
Yeh people are pressing MXE cause idiots that are out boozing and listening to shitty electro get pumping off it... makes them think they are on some sort of drug or speed or like even MD man... :-(


I ate a couple for my mate to check it out cause he only buys MDMA pills and told him not to bother..said a few people might get into trouble due to the long come up and most likely eating 2 because of it.


It DOES blow me away though that people are still pumping out shit pills when there ARE so many decent ones / raw MD out there..
 
After many sessions of varying lengths and quantities with MXE, I can say that it is the single most unpredictable substance I have ever tried. Nothing else has produced such a wide variety of effects (from the same batch); stimulation, confusion, feelings of connectedness, drunkenness, extroversion, feelings of isolation, introversion, clear-thinking, powerful physical pain relief... I've stopped trying to plan my experiences with it, because it seems to do whatever it wants me to. It's also interesting how different the effects are after repeated uses. With a lot of substances I find that the first few times are the best and then the effects become dulled - it loses some of its 'sparkle'. But with MXE I find the effects are quite different as time goes by and my experience with it grows. It's not as immediately euphoric as it was at first, but I get a greater sense of being 'tapped in' to neurological evolution which is ultimately more interesting. I'm not saying that I am actually tapping in to such a thing, just that it feels like it. It's bizarre. I like it.

One of the most uncharacteristic of my MXE experiences was a powerfully stimulating trip that was far greater in intensity than my (admittedly limited) experience with stimulants. Compulsive movement, jumping, dancing around, feeling weightless, visual distortions - an incredible combination. That only happened once. Again, from the same batch of MXE as every other experience I've had. I wasn't using anything else at the time. I wish, however, that I could recall what other every day things I had consumed (medication, food, energy drinks, etc) on that day, in case something created the conditions for such a speedy trip.

I also have found it to combine well with other substances (opiates, alcohol, small amounts of stimulants: it should go without saying that such combinations are not safe and great care must be taken when doing so - better yet, don't combine MXE with anything), but that MXE will overpower other things fairly easily.

MXE would have to be the best novel substance I've tried, considering the range of effects it can deliver and its versatility (social enhancer, mind exploration tool, pain killer, boredom smasher, etc). Key thing, as has been noted many times before, is not to use it too frequently.
 
Definitely be careful mixing benzos and MXE, keep the benzo dose low. I prefer just to have a benzo at the end of the MXE experience to help me relax and sleep. MXE Otherwise a little too much xanax/etiz together with MXE just leads to me being massively intoxicated and not remembering anything.
 
This is great stuff :) sometimes profound, I find it to be very relaxing, gets me tapped into thought processes that I find beneficial...although they can be uncomfortable sometimes, but only because they are real...not like paranoia/anxiety I might get on LSD/mushrooms.

No great craving to dose every day. Have done it three times since I first got it a few weeks ago.

My resolve to stay off opiates is stronger than it's ever been. I had a family member die unexpectedly and I think MXE has helped me deal with it better than I would have otherwise, probably would have tried to push the feelings away and hide from them.

Only been doing very low doses mind you. 30mg is my maximum so far (from a good source overseas) the white fluffy stuff.

Music appreciation is terrific.

Have tried it with and without benzos, I think 0.5 mg Etizolam and 1mg afterwards goes the best for me.
 
Be very careful of becoming delusional every body. All you have to do is read the big and dandy to see how many people are losing the plot and thinking that daily MXE dosing is improving their lives by great quantities. Some guy even believed it was the sole reason to get him through his family die and now he owns an island with an expensive hotel on it and is living in paradise.

Dissociatives will trick you into addiction unlike anything else and MXE will be wonderful at tricking a lot of people due to its powerful dopamine rush. Has any one tried smoking the shit? Don't. Once a week is an absolute maximum. I tried doing it every day for a week to "see what would happen/got tricked by MXE" my tolerance is now huge and I get a lot of the side effects, even with breaks.

Halif, I second the unpredictability. I have always had friendly or at the worst neutral experiences with MXE but then other day, on a smallish IM dose I had a terrifying come up whilst watching Dave Chapelle, I soon felt sick from all the racism in his show, lol. Sometimes once I am in a deep hole I find it easy to control what is happening. Racing through time tunnels in your bed is some of the best fun I have ever had on drugs, you should try it :) :p

The only thing I haven't mistaken it for is MD, I don't know how any one could think MXE is like speed or MD, most people would be very aware of taking something completely wrong if they got MXE in a pill.
 
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Jakeperson, why do you advise against smoking MXE?

I tried smoking it once and it was very different from oral and insufflated use. I threw some (didn't measure it out carefully, which is not a good idea) onto a square of foil and heated it from underneath and inhaled the vapour (I crudely vaped it in other words).

The resultant experience was unlike any other MXE trip I've had. I felt disconnected and blank for a couple of hours. It was very strange. It zombified me. For some reason the seeming lack of emotion and blank headspace that came from it scared me. I felt like I had damaged myself somehow. I've had weird and psychotic rambling trips with insufflated MXE before, but those ones have always ended well with some insight or renewed interest in life's mysteries. This one just felt like nothing. I didn't like it at all and haven't repeated that experiment.

It's strange though, because on another forum I have seen numerous accounts from people who smoked it and enjoyed it very much, saying that it provided a short lived but euphoric kind of rush.

What kind of experience have other people had with smoking/vaping MXE?

Also, I totally agree with Christ! in that MXE can provide great opportunities for insight by taking you into strange and difficult internal places but leaving you with the capacity for clear enough thought to make sense of things. Sometimes I feel like it allows me to put my head up into the stratosphere while keeping one foot on the earth.

I do love it but I also have to agree that it needs to be treated with care and not overdone. Daily use is really not a good idea. It's been said before but it's always worth repeating: less is more with this one.
 
Was that with the Hcl? I have heard many varied reports with the HCl about vaping it but generally it doesn't work for most.

Freebased MXE will provide an intense instant rush which is apparently VERY similar to smoking PCP, I haven't tried PCP though. It, to me, feels around 100 times more addictive, and because only small amounts, 50mg may take you a few hours to get through (lasts around 15-30mins with doses around 10mg). I doubt many people would be able to stop with that. If you find it more-ish now, you will regret smoking it.

It is completely different from the normal methods of administration of the HCl.
 
Halif said:
After many sessions of varying lengths and quantities with MXE, I can say that it is the single most unpredictable substance I have ever tried. Nothing else has produced such a wide variety of effects (from the same batch); stimulation, confusion, feelings of connectedness, drunkenness, extroversion, feelings of isolation, introversion, clear-thinking, powerful physical pain relief... I've stopped trying to plan my experiences with it, because it seems to do whatever it wants me to. It's also interesting how different the effects are after repeated uses. With a lot of substances I find that the first few times are the best and then the effects become dulled - it loses some of its 'sparkle'. But with MXE I find the effects are quite different as time goes by and my experience with it grows. It's not as immediately euphoric as it was at first, but I get a greater sense of being 'tapped in' to neurological evolution which is ultimately more interesting. I'm not saying that I am actually tapping in to such a thing, just that it feels like it. It's bizarre. I like it.

One of the most uncharacteristic of my MXE experiences was a powerfully stimulating trip that was far greater in intensity than my (admittedly limited) experience with stimulants. Compulsive movement, jumping, dancing around, feeling weightless, visual distortions - an incredible combination. That only happened once. Again, from the same batch of MXE as every other experience I've had. I wasn't using anything else at the time. I wish, however, that I could recall what other every day things I had consumed (medication, food, energy drinks, etc) on that day, in case something created the conditions for such a speedy trip.

I also have found it to combine well with other substances (opiates, alcohol, small amounts of stimulants: it should go without saying that such combinations are not safe and great care must be taken when doing so - better yet, don't combine MXE with anything), but that MXE will overpower other things fairly easily.

MXE would have to be the best novel substance I've tried, considering the range of effects it can deliver and its versatility (social enhancer, mind exploration tool, pain killer, boredom smasher, etc). Key thing, as has been noted many times before, is not to use it too frequently.
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can fully relate to everything you said. it seems to replicate other drugs, or more to the point bring back memories of previous drug experiences so intensely that i feel like im on them, full on. its brought back all kinds of other stuff as well, like before christmas i combined MXE with valium and reached a perfect "sweet spot", felt like a child at christmas all over again. magical stuff, never thought id ever be able to feel like that again. its almost like it brings a fresh, new child like perspective of looking at experiencing everything. end up spending ages re-listening to songs, all kinds of stuff. higher does it gets too fucking weird... but thats where the amazing optimistic "manic" afterglow lies


as for people saying that "people are losing the plot and becoming deluded" with this stuff, its benefitted me, i had a problem with mephedrone, it was ruining me, depression, anxiety, fucked me up for ages. my first MXE afterglow ripped me out of the self destructive stupid cycle, lifted me up, and i didnt do mephedrone after that for 2+ months. coincidence... doubt it.
 
Jakeperson said:
Be very careful of becoming delusional every body. All you have to do is read the big and dandy to see how many people are losing the plot and thinking that daily MXE dosing is improving their lives by great quantities. Some guy even believed it was the sole reason to get him through his family die and now he owns an island with an expensive hotel on it and is living in paradise.

Dissociatives will trick you into addiction unlike anything else and MXE will be wonderful at tricking a lot of people due to its powerful dopamine rush. Has any one tried smoking the shit? Don't. Once a week is an absolute maximum. I tried doing it every day for a week to "see what would happen/got tricked by MXE" my tolerance is now huge and I get a lot of the side effects, even with breaks.
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Thanks for the warning Jakus, I will take heed. Main thing for me is short term memory...I just can't function without it, and the years of smoking pot have already left what seems like a permanent disability with that (plus I got diagnosed with working memory problems even as a little tacker before the drug use). Especially at work I have to rely on so many sticky notes, e-mail reminders/mobile phone reminders/reminders from other people...I find it difficult enough without some other factor that makes it even worse. Got some time off work atm also, so need to be careful I don't start using it as a boredom killer (been trying to keep busy to compensate for that)

Have a friend who has been hitting it every day with his GF and they don't seem TOO bad. Not sure of the potency of their stuff though, it was from that australian source that has been questioned by some in the past. Will be keeping a close eye on them as they have a child in the house...although they've always been pretty responsible in the past.
 
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ColtDan said:
can fully relate to everything you said. it seems to replicate other drugs, or more to the point bring back memories of previous drug experiences so intensely that i feel like im on them, full on. its brought back all kinds of other stuff as well, like before christmas i combined MXE with valium and reached a perfect "sweet spot", felt like a child at christmas all over again. magical stuff, never thought id ever be able to feel like that again. its almost like it brings a fresh, new child like perspective of looking at experiencing everything. end up spending ages re-listening to songs, all kinds of stuff. higher does it gets too fucking weird... but thats where the amazing optimistic "manic" afterglow lies


as for people saying that "people are losing the plot and becoming deluded" with this stuff, its benefitted me, i had a problem with mephedrone, it was ruining me, depression, anxiety, fucked me up for ages. my first MXE afterglow ripped me out of the self destructive stupid cycle, lifted me up, and i didnt do mephedrone after that for 2+ months. coincidence... doubt it.
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Dissociatives specifically effect the part of the brain that effects coincidences. Dissociatives will cause you to create false links and believe things like that, you will start finding more and more as you travel down the MXE path. Even the after-glow isn't probably real but your brain tricking you into thinking its good/useful or even helpful.
 
Christ! said:
Thanks for the warning Jakus, I will take heed. Main thing for me is short term memory...I just can't function without it, and the years of smoking pot have already left what seems like a permanent disability with that (plus I got diagnosed with working memory problems even as a little tacker before the drug use). Especially at work I have to rely on so many sticky notes, e-mail reminders/mobile phone reminders/reminders from other people...I find it difficult enough without some other factor that makes it even worse. Got some time off work atm also, so need to be careful I don't start using it as a boredom killer (been trying to keep busy to compensate for that)

Have a friend who has been hitting it every day with his GF and they don't seem TOO bad. Not sure of the potency of their stuff though, it was from that australian source that has been questioned by some in the past. Will be keeping a close eye on them as they have a child in the house...although they've always been pretty responsible in the past.
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Please do keep an eye on them. It will take a long time before they show signs of full blown delusions if they keep it up, Ask them about their trips and if they feel like they have significant meaning to them and stuff like that. It will help you gauge how they are going and then explain what MXE does and how it tricks people into addiction unlike other substances just to help them out. MXE could destroy a responsible person!
 
Jakeperson said:
Even the after-glow isn't probably real but your brain tricking you into thinking its good/useful or even helpful.
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the afterglow is real. just like the long lasting Ketamine afterglow is real. a its been discovered that they're good long lasting anti-depressants as well, if used correctly. much safer than the shitty SSRI brain zap crap or whatever it is that gets prescribed,
 
I had a profound experience with MXE on New Year's Eve which had quite a positive impact on me and, like ColtDan, used that golden opportunity to massively reduce my opiate consumption from daily use to weekly. This may not last long, but I am really grateful that it happened at all, because I was feeling that I'd never be able to cut down and get my energy/motivation back.

In the days following that experience, I spent a lot of time pondering the effects I have received from substances in the past which have changed my life - both plant and synthetic. I was wondering how "real" those experiences were. Did I actually reach into another dimension that was greater and more inspiring than my day to day existence could ever be? Was that place "real"? Or was it just crazy dreams?

Lots of big questions from a relatively tiny amount of powder:p

End conclusion is that I don't know how real or superficial those experiences were, but I really enjoyed them and I am glad for the positive (and very real) impact that they've had on my daily life.

Now excuse me, I have to continue my extremely important secret mission of saving the earth by telepathically communicating with time travelling aliens...
 
its also motivated me, inspired me to get back into old hobbys, get things done, all kinds of little things. the afterglow is amazing. although very addictive. i prefer the effects of the afterglow more than the drug itself. always limit myself to using MXE at low doses once a week and no more. usually i trip around once every 2 weeks, as if i start to over-use it the trips get really dark and weird. hardly any tolerance built up, been using MXE for a long time and havent abused it. its more of a tool/therapy to me than a recreational escapist drug. gotta be treated with respect
 
TripppAR said:
Where did MXE come from?
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The stuff that goes up your nose? Some lab in india probably.

The chemical structure I believe came from some well read tripper, maybe even a bluelighter..? 8o

From memory it was designed for the purposes of replicating the wonky fun of Ketamine but with reduced toxicity - specifically nephrotoxicity.


Thus we have MXE.
 
^ I am pretty sure a well known BLer had a hand in the creation of MXE, but not sure if they would want to be named, I seem to recall them remaining annonymous when an article was posted about it in DitM but my memory may be off. IIRC it was actually created to help with phantom limb as other dissociatives had been found to be beneficial for the condition.
 
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