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Opioids Can you abuse the codeine in Polly Tussin AC

Yea i think its 10mg of codeine, 7.5 of phen and 4mg of bromph..

So from what i gathered if i wanted like 120mg of codeine id have to intake a lot of the antihistmines as well...
Hmmm opinions? I really cant find nothing online about this product...
 
Doesnt have any doses on the bottle just says Poly Tussin AC with CO... take 1 teaspoon every 4-6 hours
 
Yea i think its 10mg of codeine, 7.5 of phen and 4mg of bromph..

So from what i gathered if i wanted like 120mg of codeine id have to intake a lot of the antihistmines as well...
Hmmm opinions? I really cant find nothing online about this product...
I would think ingesting so many of the other ingredients might ruin your buzz
 
But if i want 120mg of codeine, thatd be 90mg of Phen and 48 of Bromph.. now none of these are above lethal dose but im not sure if they will be bad when mixed at higher doses??
Sorry not sure if i can ask for dosage info in my questions but im wanting to know if ill be okay lol.
 
It sounds like too much of a low dose of codiene per how many milligrams of the phen and brom you'd have to take. At first I thought you were talking phernergan, but you're talking phenlephrine. That would not be fun to take a lot of, at all.

I'd save that shit for when you actually need it for it's practical purpose.
 
Dont' use this for anything but a cough syrup, the phenylephrine / brompheniramine mix is not a good one to overdose on...
 
The brompheniramine has a boiling point of about 65 celsius (or 152F). You could try heating up the mixture at those temps for 1/2 hr and hopefully the brompheniramine will be mostly gone.

But you'd still be left with the phenylephrine which has a very high boiling point
 
2 things to remember:

1. Check the expiry date
2. You can OD on codeine, so be careful

And to answer your question, I dont know how many mg. are in each mill

1. Good advice! Not sure about the the bromp but codeine (most opiates for that matter) degree pretty well - by that I mean they don't become toxic. Although I know this for codeine. And

2. Technically this is true however extremely unlikely! Even if one is in that 10% of the population which is defective on the CYP2D6 enzyme - the extent to how well or not can still vary quite dramatically! Definitely good idea still of course since NO ONE - regardless of the drug - should be dosing/go into doing it without some element of caution!


As the mods have said however;

The codeine qty is too small to have an recreational value (even if you the percentage of the populous who can't metabolise it well)

The phenyl - Which at best will give the you a slight hypertension ...... this is about it! :P Oh, it may dry up your nose if it's been running recently too!

The bromp - Well it's an antihistamine, are there any antihistamines which have recreational value?***












*** Don't actually answer that! lol. I don't want to start to see kids dosing end up doing more damage then if were to dose an amphet or MDx or the like!
 
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2. Technically this is true however extremely unlikely! Even if one is in that 10% of the population which is defective on the CYP2D6 enzyme - the extent to how well or not can still vary quite dramatically! Definitely good idea still of course since NO ONE - regardless of the drug - should be dosing/go into doing it without some element of caution!
That interesting, I didnt know that.
So you're saying its virtually impossible for the other 90% to OD on codeine??

Also some rappers have died from codeine overdoses in southern US, were they likely defective in this gene also then??
 
Oh, no, of course not. And that's not what I said.

Regardless, I'm not going to bite to your trolling.

However if you do want to debate this - I'd be more then happy to first direct you to a few tutorials which explain anatomy, pathology and genetic/genomics, or pharmacology 101. Since by the sounds of it there's some basic biological knowledge required here before we go any further.
 
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Oh, no, of course not. And that's not what I said.

Regardless, I'm not going to bite to your trolling.

However if you do want to debate this - I'd be more then happy to first direct you to a few tutorials which explain anatomy, pathology and genetic/genomics, or pharmacology 101. Since by the sounds of it there's some basic biological knowledge required here before we go any further
Dude, you totally misinterpreted my post. I was just enquiring, thats all.

I'm genuinely interested to know what the deal is on codeine overdoses
 
Oh woah, sincere apologies! (not sleeping for the past 48hrs+ means my brain isn't as sharp as it usually is!). I'll try to explain it as much as I can without rambling (I do that! =P).

Basically between person to person (even say within the same family for instance) there's is a degree of bio-variability - differences in the way your physical make-up is brought together then say, your sister - from that fact that your hair might be a lighter colour to, in the example I said above, defects in parts of the body.

Once well known one is that 10% of the white population (about 6% of people from Arab decent, about 3% from black decent), purely due to random changes/mutations, mean that for those people, that enzyme (the specific enzyme is called CYP2D6) isn't able to metabolise as well as the other 90%. However even within this simple example, there lies variability where one person may just feel a little ill to someone else being knock unconscious!

I personally find this example interesting since this one (and many others in it's family) also metabolise anything from White Grapefruit Juice, to certain anti-depressants, to an the OP said codeine (and codeine analogues like morphine or oxycodone).

And this is just one example. Another one many people not know is the enzyme which breaks down alcohol (called alkoholdehydrogenase) is most often (again to varying degrees) defective in people from Asian decent. That's why, if you've every noticed, it doesn't take much for an Asian person to get drunk basically because their body just can't processes it as well at, say Westerners.


Did I explain myself? If you have any questions, PM me! I'd be happy to explain whatever I can :)
 
You will be fine taking a 60ml dose which should give you 120mg of codeine. The bromph and phen will actually just potentiate the codeine and get you higher.

If you wanna be super careful, try 45ml first (90mg) codeine, but otherwise trust me, he doses are still quite small and nothing bad is going to happen.

Just the other day some dude made a thread about having a bottle exactly like this, except he drank the whole 6 ounces which was 180ml if I believe = 360mg codeine and whatever other amount of bromph and phen. He was just fine, although he might have had a tolerance, I don't remember. But anyways, just start off with maybe a smaller dose like 45m and see how that makes you feel. If you aren't satisfied, then the next day try 60ml or 75ml. That much of an increase can definitely increase the euphoria, but if you didn't feel much at a 45ml dose, you sure as hell aren't gonna be near oding at 75ml lol.

edit: And to do the dude who said you can OD on codeine, I'm pretty sure you can't because codeine has a ceiling effect because of how it is metabolized, the ceiling effect is around 500mg if I remember correct. The only time it can be dangerous is if someone has a really bad reaction to the histamines, however that's why they add anti-histamine to the dose^_^

correct me if I'm wrong though.
 
That interesting, I didnt know that.
So you're saying its virtually impossible for the other 90% to OD on codeine??

Also some rappers have died from codeine overdoses in southern US, were they likely defective in this gene also then??

I think I read about this, but it was more because of the amount off promethezine in the "sizzurp", rather than the codeine itself that caused the death. You gotta remember these guys are drinking like nearly whole bottles of that cough syrup sh*t a day(combined with sprite and jolly ranchers lol), so doses that large can severely slow down the respiratory system.

Lucky for me, my codeine highs actually end up with me being wired from the caffeine after 30 minutes lol.

I get a great great euphoria (for only about10-20 mins before caffeine over powers codeine I believe...) from about a 160-200mg dose codeine via CWE of 20-25 Tylenol 1's (OTC this high costs me like 2 bucks ;0) but once the high is gone the 300-350mg of caffeine that unforunately they use in these pills to then just gets me anxious feeling. It's worth it though, I don't get any anxiety or panic attacks, just a bit jumpy, heart rate at about 100.
 
.....Lucky for me, my codeine highs actually end up with me being wired from the caffeine after 30 minutes....

Perfect example of the variability I was talking about earlier. This time, instead of the adverse reaction being enzyme related, this is what's called paradoxical effects. The specific method of action of why this occurs I'm not 100% sure, but it's reasonably common with opiates.


edit: And to do the dude who said you can OD on codeine, I'm pretty sure you can't because codeine has a ceiling effect because of how it is metabolized, the ceiling effect is around 500mg if I remember correct. The only time it can be dangerous is if someone has a really bad reaction to the histamines, however that's why they add anti-histamine to the dose^_^

correct me if I'm wrong though.

If you speak to people in the opiate circles (the Codeine/CWE Megathread or the Opiate Potentiator Megathread are both interesting reads!), the ceiling dose itself is debatable but you're right, generally accepted.

I agree with you too and I can personally attest to it, having an opiate addiction myself! Although I'd put the ceiling dose more at about 700mg personally.

I would also (hesitantly) agree with the very low risk of codeine overdosing. I hesitate only because BL is based on harm reduction to begin with and as I stated before, between just two individuals there can occur a large variability and I wouldn't want to say 180mg codeine is fine and then hear that she did OD because she was one of those few people who are hyper-sensitive. Additionally if there are potentiators involved!

More so just covering yourself pbuilder, know what I'm saying!? If then the OP went out and dosed it all and something did go wrong, at the least you've got a clear conscience.



Also, the phenyl wont potentiate anything - it being a stimulant. Mild stimulants like phenylepherine or pseudoepherdrine are usually added to cold medications more so to clear up the mucus.
 
codiene overdose idd say is virually impossible in any person who use recreationally at least 2x a week or with a opioid dependency theres a chance a non user possibly could but odds wud be very low IMO i have done doses of 1500mg -2000mg before and have only had a nasty horrible itching feeling with a very red and unberable feeling in my face with no morphine type feelings sedation or euphoria at all ! codiene is more of a detox aid IMO than a drug to get high from very dissapointed with its affects personally but it does help oral morphine work a lot better at prescribed doses 30-60mg 4 -6 times daily helps mst's work a fair bit better
 
Perfect example of the variability I was talking about earlier. This time, instead of the adverse reaction being enzyme related, this is what's called paradoxical effects. The specific method of action of why this occurs I'm not 100% sure, but it's reasonably common with opiates.

No I mean that large of a dose simply just over powers the codeine, it's not the opiate itself that is having the effect. From the times I have done poppy tea I was definitely just-relaxed as hell, nearly nodding lol.

From the times I have done CWE on T3's, I didn't get the bit of a "wired" effect (and I used this term sparingly, because it's not actually like say I'm wired off a night of blow or something, but rather just feel like I've drinken 1 to many cups of coffee), so I can attest it is just the caffeine causing this little effect and not the "paradoxical effect" as you put it. Although I've heard much about this happening to people, especially people with add taking stims, it usually calms them rather then gets them full of energy and ready to party.

Either way, the euphoria before it is very much worth it, I would compare it to the euphoria after a few drinks and a nice line of blow, but without nearly as horrible of a crash. Sadly, you can only really dose codeine once though, per day :(.
 
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