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What is the 'magic' of MDMA exactly?

First Bad Comedown said:
Seriously - why are other drugs considered harmful or damaging while MDMA is glorified?
The culture surrounding MDMA is DAMNED arrogant, and quite dangerous.
You actually claimed to have problems from SMOKING WEED because of MDMA.

Hello?
Clear evidence of neuro-endocrine alterations.
You even stated that some of the mental changes you experienced could be due to aging...
Hmm. Sounds like denial.
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Uhm, FBC, I like you're posts and all and I agree on most points, but I've had problems smoking weed and that was way before I even discovered MDMA. After a year of heavy smoking I suddenly got a heavy panic attack and I've never been able to smoke since. So that's all due to neuro-endocrine alterations? From what? I didn't even drink at the time. In my experience however weed makes any problems regarding MDMA recovery ALOT worse. It can make you anxious, unmotivated, depressed... the list goes on. I gave up on weed entirely about 3 months ago, never felt better tbh.

Back on topic! When I feel the "magic" I'm having the best night of my entire life. Everywhere I go I will talk to anyone around me about anything. It's sort of like a super euphoric loved up trip which allows you to break free of all the emotional barriers so you can get in touch with yourself and others. I view ecstacy as a party drug, I would never do it at home listening to music or whatever. At a party everyone is taking it, everyone loves eachother and the vibe is just AWESOME. Part of the magic for me is being able to let some of my most inner demons out to complete strangers, only to find out, you're not alone and almost everyone experiences it one way or another. I guess the combination of GREAT music, GREAT people, heavenly euphoria and deep conversations with others defines the magic for me :) No matter how hard the comedown is if I had one of those nights, I'll be walking home with a bigass grin more happy then ever :) It's almost like therapy ;)
 
i understand where OP is coming from completely, i took meph when i was 15 and now i take mdma 17 now.

i wish i never took meph because mdma would of been so much better, mdma now is like a non addictive version of mephedrone for me now.

still lots of magic though.


its not a rush you can feel you just feel in a rosey glow when on mdma, and thats how i like it, meph was way too good.

you have to enjoy mdma for what it is, sometimes i go crazy on mdma to try reach a meph high without knowing it, and its seriously unhealthy.
 
i can relate to this, think my couple years use of amazing pre-ban meph has ruined mdma for me. theres been a few times ive felt very orgasmic, rushy, and ontop of the world from mdma but for me its never been the over the top amazing experience everybody claims its supposed to be. its been very "perfect", blissful and euphoric, quite mongy, a bit lacking. seems to be hit and miss. mephedrone was the most amazing euphoric rushy thing ive ever tried. but also very damaging in various ways
 
swim and their love are one and togeather, they both share the same thought pattern they both are compleatly open hands down things have come up about their past that if sober would of ended it, its a great way to connect with a loved one
 
ColtDan said:
i can relate to this, think my couple years use of amazing pre-ban meph has ruined mdma for me. theres been a few times ive felt very orgasmic, rushy, and ontop of the world from mdma but for me its never been the over the top amazing experience everybody claims its supposed to be. its been very "perfect", blissful and euphoric, quite mongy, a bit lacking. seems to be hit and miss. mephedrone was the most amazing euphoric rushy thing ive ever tried. but also very damaging in various ways
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I actually recently bought some meph, to see if it still had the same effect.. this time round it was like shit mdma. Though i wondered if starting off with too small lines ruined the high for me. Do you think meph could be done safely if used very ocasionally?
 
Jonnybean said:
i understand where OP is coming from completely, i took meph when i was 15 and now i take mdma 17 now.

i wish i never took meph because mdma would of been so much better, mdma now is like a non addictive version of mephedrone for me now.

still lots of magic though.


its not a rush you can feel you just feel in a rosey glow when on mdma, and thats how i like it, meph was way too good.

you have to enjoy mdma for what it is, sometimes i go crazy on mdma to try reach a meph high without knowing it, and its seriously unhealthy.
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Ahh ok, thanks your description of the buzz fits how i experience it perfectly :) yeah mdma is just sort of a glow, but after mephedrone i find it disappointing. Is there any other drug that achieves a similar buzz to meph. coke, methamphetamine?
 
Got some peeps searching for me on another site as my reg guy is struggling. Is it that rare these days???

I remember being a clubbing rugular and anything and everything was offered! Whats gone on?!
 
georgewc2001 said:
FBC...is it really necessary for you to put up a warning about mdma in EVERY THREAD YOU POST ON? Seriously, just post your own thread with your book there because, and i doubt i'm the only thinking this, but it's getting ridiculous. I'd actually be curious what the hell you do for a living with so much time on your hands to be posting soooooo much except that the topic of your posts seems to be the same, so i'm sure there's some cut and pasting going on...i don't know for certain cause i don't have time to read them all. I'd be surprised if others do either. My suggestion would be to be a little more pithy and perhaps you'll get more deliberate responses. It's a free world, you can do what you want, but damn.
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Hey - if you don't like people trying to prevent others from causing harm to themselves, get off of this website. What do you think this website is here for? Not for you to come on and flame others for helping.
 
ive rolled like 15 times and the only time ive felt true magic was last night at a rave on some pure pure molly. literally hit me like a brick wall and thought i was going to blackout for 10 minutes as everything was moving around in my vision and i had an extreme numb throughout my body. It literally felt like i was tripping balls for 10 minutes and then it subsided into the best roll of my life...so i think you need to just take a big dose cause that was the first time i took .5 and it happened to be the cleanest mdma ive encountered...although i remember very little of what happened.
 
Warped - thanks for the backup.
But it looks like he is done for now.

Deez - good point.
You are not the only example.
Many long-term cannabis users develop severe paranoia/anxiety and have to stop.
It is likely causing 'endocrine' alterations all on its own.

But MDMA seems to make it worse, including for you.
I never had problems with anxiety from smoking, aside from cloudy headedness that never went away as i smoked constantly.
But after serotonin syndrome, marijuana was transformed into a very different experience. Evil almost.

George - yes peanut butter kills.
If MDMA were as prevelant as nuts, it would probably compete.
But I will follow your lead here, and say the debate is over.
Aside from mentioning that you said your dick is 'way bigger' than mine.
For this reason, yours would have to be 'huge'.
It was fun while it lasted.
 
Warped Reality said:
Hey - if you don't like people trying to prevent others from causing harm to themselves, get off of this website. What do you think this website is here for? Not for you to come on and flame others for helping.
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Although this is a harm reduction site, it's also a place where you're supposed to be able to have free discussion about drugs as long as it isn't sourcing or breaking a few of the other rules.
Obviously harm reduction is a great thing, but that doesn't mean you should go to threads that have nothing to do with it and start preaching.
If someone is doing something extremely harmful then go ahead and make your point (toxic combos and such), but constantly telling people basically not to use MDxx on a site ABOUT USING MDxx is ridiculous.
 
The way we get harm reduction done on bluelight is through open discussion of ways of using, dosages, combos and the like. The free discussion allows us to gather information that will go towards harm reduction, telling people not to do drugs is not harm reduction because noone is going to take your advice, harm reduction is about learning to understand the safest way of taking your prefered drug of choice
 
First Bad Comedown said:
Lazuri,





MDMA releases massive amounts of serotonin, but it is the DOPAMINE release that causes the 'magic'.
Serotonin actually suppresses dopamine in most of the brain.
It is when serotonin begins to fall that the dopamine is allowed to surge forth.
And since so much serotonin has been released, the dopamine is allowed to realize its full potential in the meso-limbic reward pathway.

The hormonal observation that is seen is this...
Serotonin suppresses dopamine in the hypothalamus.
Once this ends, dopamine release causes the hypothalamus to signal the pituitary to release PROLACTIN and oxytocin.
Prolactin is viewed as the hallmark of 'magic'.
It is typically released during childbirth, breastfeeding, and orgasm.
Prolactin actually increases sensation during orgasm, and then causes it to recede.
In decreases dopamine activity in the nucleus acumbens - but MDMA increases dopamine and prolactin at the same time!

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First Bad Comedown... could this be why taking adderall on a daily basis makes it harder for me to experience the "magic"
 
Nottamous said:
The truth is NO ONE will every really be able to describe it for you. I have tried many many times to write or describe it to someone and Always no matter how pretty my words it's never quite right. . . it's always shallow and hallow compared to the real experience. They always tell me that I undersold it and it was more amazing than they expected.
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My friend described it me as this: taking MDMA is how humanity would feel if Adam and Eve had never commited their first sin,

I am not necessarily religious or anything but that story about Adam and Eve being naked and without a true gender and amidst nature and loving every aspect of it is kind of how I feel when I am rolling, I love everyone guy or girl and like someone said, could be naked and not care.

I know I didn't say it very well but I thought I would share it with you anyways because I agree taking MDMA is a powerful, indescribable experience
 
bright_eyes* said:
My friend described it me as this: taking MDMA is how humanity would feel if Adam and Eve had never commited their first sin,

I am not necessarily religious or anything but that story about Adam and Eve being naked and without a true gender and amidst nature and loving every aspect of it is kind of how I feel when I am rolling, I love everyone guy or girl and like someone said, could be naked and not care.

I know I didn't say it very well but I thought I would share it with you anyways because I agree taking MDMA is a powerful, indescribable experience
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I like that. Well said.
 
bright_eyes* said:
My friend described it me as this: taking MDMA is how humanity would feel if Adam and Eve had never commited their first sin,

I am not necessarily religious or anything but that story about Adam and Eve being naked and without a true gender and amidst nature and loving every aspect of it is kind of how I feel when I am rolling, I love everyone guy or girl and like someone said, could be naked and not care.

I know I didn't say it very well but I thought I would share it with you anyways because I agree taking MDMA is a powerful, indescribable experience
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Call me selfish, but i prefer the rush of meph.. the feeling of being on top of the world, completely confident in yourself. Plus the rush is amazing. I still like mdma, but i think i will take a break from it to let my serotonin build again. I think this concept of the magic going away and never coming back is nonsense, the fact is most people take it with friends the first time and are very excited about it, but the novelty wears off after a while.
 
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