The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread (part 2) ver. "My skin feels like lightning"

[Mung Hunter]

Well from what I've gathered, wouldn't it be a bit more logical to say it's the MSM that's making the experience unpleasant if you enjoyed the experience when it was mixed with inositol? Could be the same story for why your 25I was so unpleasant as well compared to other reports.

 

[jason7]

Just to make sure it wasn't the MSM, I tried a smaller dose of the inositol only mixture, maybe 200-300 mcg. I did it intranasally this time. Still getting nausea and general uncomfortable feeling, though less than yesterday with the higher dose and with the MSM, but that may be due to some tolerance also. It's just not even an improvement over mushrooms, or not by much. I don't like any of these PEAs. They all make me feel like crap. Bottom line, don't waste your money. I bought a bunch of them after I read reports of how great they were. Now I don't even like any of them. 2C-E and 2C-I could both gag a maggot and the NBOMes only seem to make the doses lower but don't really make them much more enjoyable. That's my opinion anyway. LSD is the only hallucinogen I've ever tried that has good points outweighing the bad points. Others may like these compounds, they just don't seem to agree with my system. The slight visuals aren't entertaining enough to make up for the nausea. RC companies need to do more work with lysergic acid related compounds, I guess, because the PEA series just isn't working, at least not for me. Any nausea is too much nausea.

 

[jason7]

About 90 minutes after administration of low dose inositol mixture it's not too bad now, nausea mostly gone. If people already bought some, I would say it's probably worth using in low doses, like 200-400 mcg. I wouldn't go higher than that though or it gets pretty uncomfortable. Goes kind of nice with hash. Still wouldn't pay money for it again, but I'll probably take small doses now and then since I already have it.

 

[Mung Hunter]

Is it just the nausea that's bugging you? Because while I obviously dislike nausea, some of the best psychedelics have it at the start of the trip; Mescaline, 4-HO-DMT (psilocin), oral DMT, and some people even get it from LSD. Out of the PEA series I've tried 2CB, 2CC, 2CI, 2CE, and 2CT7, and I didn't find any of them all that enjoyable except the 2CB and 2CI, but that wasn't so much about nausea as it usually only lasts for the first little bit and isn't all that bad when taken orally. I just found that that 2CC was pretty boring, and 2CE and 2CT7 were pretty rough on my body; I felt like I constantly needed to stretch and tense up every muscle in my body so I felt pretty terrible by the end of it, and the head space they put you in is pretty all over the place. But if these NBOMe's are anything like 2CB or 2CI I'd definitely like to try them, and from most reports it sounds a bit like them but with less body load.

Did you ever get nausea/have a bad time when taking it sublingually? Cause I know from experience that all the PEA's I've tried are much better taken orally than intranasal; less body load and nausea.

 

[jason7]

I got nausea every way I tried it, probably the worst orally with 2C-E and 2C-I. You can't take the NBOMes orally because they are ineffective that way. You feel nothing at all. I tried it once. I have been reading about 4-aco-DMT and it looks like it may be more what I'm looking for. The posts on here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/262868-The-Big-and-Dandy-4-AcO-DMT-Thread seem to say it's like mushrooms but without the negatives like nausea. That would be perfect. Shrooms have much better visuals than these PEAs, the problem is the taste and the nausea. This may be the Holy Grail. PEAs all disappointed me. On to the next one.

 

[IamMe90]

Shroom visuals don't even compare to incredible PEA visuals IMO (I'm speaking of the more visual PEAs like 2c-e, nbomes an 2ct7)

 

[Survived Abortion]

Regarding the bodyload of the NBOMES; they don't cause me to feel nauseous like some psyches. But the bodyload is manifested in a different way.

This is the shittiest, dirtiest feeling psychedelic I have ever taken. My body doesn't like this stuff at all.

Please give more info, dose/route of administration, etc. What other psychedelics produce similar dirty feelings, etc?

Pardon me, I should have elaborated on this. I am going to write a trip report, but for this thread I will just briefly summarize what happened with more details, and why I felt my body didn't like the drug so much. This is not a trip report, and is focused just on the body-element of the trip.

I took 750μgs, suspended in 0.3ml vodka, sublingually/bucally. I brushed my teeth, gums and tounge before hand. I held the solution in my mouth for 45 minutes, by which point my mouth was full of saliva. To maximise absorption, I swished it about inside my mouth as much as possible, forcing it through my teeth and on to my lips and cheeks for the entire 45 minutes. After 45 minutes I spat it out.

It came on gently but swiftly, and I was already well on the way to the peak by the time I spat it out. At this point, the drug felt remarkably benign on the body, and the only physical effect I noted was a marked stimulation. It was incredibly stimulating to the muscles, I was stiff as a board for the duration of the peak.

After the peak I was feeling a distinct lack of empathy and compassion. Music wasn't moving me in the same way it would normally. I felt cold and analytical. Discovering this, I pondered over the notion that this may be what psychopaths feel like, and wondered whether the state that 25C-NBOMe elicits allows us to experience that condition transiently. I believe this may be the cause of the following disturbance in bodily sensations.

During the plateau I was bothered by profuse sweating. Now, on psychedelics I normally experience a slight increase in perspiration, but this was above normal. At the same time, I felt really grimey and icky, as if my body was full of toxins. I remember actually thinking that I wanted nothing more to do with this chemical, so it must have felt pretty rough. The most likely explanation, however, is that it was a psychosomatic reaction from my disturbing revelation that I was feeling no empathy.

It could also be that the 25C was allowing me to feel the toxins already present in my body, and that I need a general bodily detoxification. However, this is the dichotomy that always seems apparent with psychedelics; that you're never quite sure that what you are directly experienceing is the 'lesson', or if it is a reflection of the equal and opposite force of that particular phenomenon. Maybe I need to go the sauna.

 

[Mung Hunter]

I got nausea every way I tried it, probably the worst orally with 2C-E and 2C-I. You can't take the NBOMes orally because they are ineffective that way. You feel nothing at all. I tried it once. I have been reading about 4-aco-DMT and it looks like it may be more what I'm looking for. The posts on here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/262868-The-Big-and-Dandy-4-AcO-DMT-Thread seem to say it's like mushrooms but without the negatives like nausea. That would be perfect. Shrooms have much better visuals than these PEAs, the problem is the taste and the nausea. This may be the Holy Grail. PEAs all disappointed me. On to the next one.

Yeah I realize you can't take them orally, but I was thinking that since oral was much better than intranasal with the other PEA's, sublingual would be better than intranasal with the NBOMe's. And with most other drugs that give nausea, normally trying the rectal method gets rid of that. I've tried 4-AcO-DMT and it's not very nauseating to me. I'd also look into 4-HO-DPT and 4-HO-DET as they aren't a whole lot different; most of the 4-substituted tryptamines are fairly alike but with pretty small changes. From personal experience these 3 are the best though. I have a few of the others but haven't got around to trying them so maybe I'd others even better.

Shroom visuals don't even compare to incredible PEA visuals IMO (I'm speaking of the more visual PEAs like 2c-e, nbomes an 2ct7)

I would agree on certain points, the regular non OBE visuals of 2C-E are far more intense IMO, but you can have an OBE on either drug so at that point visuals become fairly even. It's hard to compare OBE's on different substances though.

 

[SpecialK_]

I got nausea every way I tried it, probably the worst orally with 2C-E and 2C-I. You can't take the NBOMes orally because they are ineffective that way. You feel nothing at all. I tried it once. I have been reading about 4-aco-DMT and it looks like it may be more what I'm looking for. The posts on here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/262868-The-Big-and-Dandy-4-AcO-DMT-Thread seem to say it's like mushrooms but without the negatives like nausea. That would be perfect. Shrooms have much better visuals than these PEAs, the problem is the taste and the nausea. This may be the Holy Grail. PEAs all disappointed me. On to the next one.

Are you sure it's not just your mindset going into the trip? I used to be sick everytime I took acid blotter, sometimes you gotta just suck it up and get over the fact your coming up. How are you with other psychedelics? I've been sick on this stuff too but I wouldn't let that affect my rating of it, I'm pretty sure it was just my mindset. 2cs themselves are a shit nausea filled time for many people too, so it's likely if you haven't tried other psychedelics first like LSD/Psilocybin that your body has conditioned itself to react this way on the onset of psychedelics. I could be completely wrong, but keep it in mind!

 

[Jesusgreen]

Just to add, though we're getting a little off-topic, I do think mindset has a lot to do with nausea when tripping. When visiting a certain chat-room I noticed a lot of people were beginning to use 2C-E and would come in and ask for advice before their first trip. I noticed most people would immediately mention the potential nausea, and these people would then go on to have a trip in which they projectile vomited and had a very bad bodyload throughout. What struck me as weird though was a few times when no-one mentioned the nausea, the new trippers went on to have wonderful nausea-free trips.

So, I went on to try this out a little. I've given 3 people who had never taken psychedelics before doses of 2C-E, all fairly hefty doses - and told them that they would have a calm, relaxing, colourful experience. They all did, I asked any of them if they experienced nausea and none of them had the slightest body load at all. The same goes for several other people I know who took 2C-*s without reading all the projective vomit horror reports

 

[IamMe90]

Just to add, though we're getting a little off-topic, I do think mindset has a lot to do with nausea when tripping. When visiting a certain chat-room I noticed a lot of people were beginning to use 2C-E and would come in and ask for advice before their first trip. I noticed most people would immediately mention the potential nausea, and these people would then go on to have a trip in which they projectile vomited and had a very bad bodyload throughout. What struck me as weird though was a few times when no-one mentioned the nausea, the new trippers went on to have wonderful nausea-free trips.

So, I went on to try this out a little. I've given 3 people who had never taken psychedelics before doses of 2C-E, all fairly hefty doses - and told them that they would have a calm, relaxing, colourful experience. They all did, I asked any of them if they experienced nausea and none of them had the slightest body load at all. The same goes for several other people I know who took 2C-*s without reading all the projective vomit horror reports

I did the same thing with my friends. All of my friends who I introduced to psychedelics got to dose 20mg of 2c-e for their first trip, I mentioned no nausea and they all had great trips. Whereas I read about the horrors of 2c-e nausea before consuming it and, predictably, felt a pretty intense nausea.

 

[freehugs]

The placebo effect is a crazy thing.

 

[jason7]

I got an idea I'm going to try out soon. I picked up a bunch of 5-meo-DALT, since I can't get 4-aco-DMT at this time. This stuff has very little visuals but it does make you feel great. It also increases hunger rather than causing lack of appetite like the NBOMes. So I'm thinking maybe this will fix the NBOMes if I mix them together, basically using the DALT (I'm abbreviating) as the cut for the NBOMe. NBOMe doesn't make me feel good at all, so I need the DALT to fill that part in. The NBOMe will then fill in the missing visuals of the DALT. Theoretically, this should be a very good combination. Maybe it will counter the nausea of the NBOMe. I don't know what 5HT receptors DALT hits, but it must be other ones than the 5HT2a that the NBOMe hits, causing the visuals, I think you need some indole compound to make the PEAs similar to LSD, which has an indole component. I would use the mixture intranasally. I'll let you know how it turns out. I'll probably post something on the DALT thread too.

Thanks to those who replied to me with suggestions about the nausea. I don't think it matters what ROA I use, nasal or sublingual, both caused nausea for me. That was the first time I tried snorting the powder BTW. With the 9:1 cut it was still a tiny pile, like miniscule. Didn't even need to make a line out of it because the pile was small enough to fit under the end of the plastic straw. One little whiff, that's it. No irritation with the inositol mixture in the nose. Some people may have thought that the simple mixing with inositol wouldn't make it absorbable enough to snort as a powder and get adequate effect. Well, I got significant effects from something like 2-300 mcg. One person said they mixed it with mannitol and snorted it with minimal effect. He just physically mixed the powders though, while I had added alcohol and mixed them together and then dried it. So apparently the dissolving is the key to getting better absorption. You need to spread the molecules around in a finely dispersed state, apparently. Snorting such a powder worked perfectly for me, though as I said it is a very small pile. Maybe cutting it 19:1 would be even better. Haven't tried snorting MSM so I don't now if it irritates the nose or not. Since inositol works well anyway I guess there's no need to mess around with MSM.

 

[lysergication]

Just to add, though we're getting a little off-topic, I do think mindset has a lot to do with nausea when tripping. When visiting a certain chat-room I noticed a lot of people were beginning to use 2C-E and would come in and ask for advice before their first trip. I noticed most people would immediately mention the potential nausea, and these people would then go on to have a trip in which they projectile vomited and had a very bad bodyload throughout. What struck me as weird though was a few times when no-one mentioned the nausea, the new trippers went on to have wonderful nausea-free trips.

So, I went on to try this out a little. I've given 3 people who had never taken psychedelics before doses of 2C-E, all fairly hefty doses - and told them that they would have a calm, relaxing, colourful experience. They all did, I asked any of them if they experienced nausea and none of them had the slightest body load at all. The same goes for several other people I know who took 2C-*s without reading all the projective vomit horror reports

I experienced strong nausea and vomiting with 600µg (intranasal) while I thought 25C would procure a nausea-free trip. And I'm not that inclined to get nausea with psych usually. But I do think that mindset can strongly influence physical reaction to theses compounds. I wasn't in a so good mindset for this trip, actually.

 

[Jakeperson]

Yeah I never tell my girlfriend about side effects and she rarely gets any.. BL is a curse in that sense.

Less informed drug users seem to suffer less from abuse

 

[AcidAttack]

I did 800ug a few weeks ago, honestly it sucks, weak visuals and no bodyload or high..

 

[SpecialK_]

I did 800ug a few weeks ago, honestly it sucks, weak visuals and no bodyload or high..

Did you sniff it? Sounds like you got some impure stuff or didn't dose correctly. Otherwise you may have an odd tolerance.

 

[uhapšen]

I am waiting for some 2-(4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine or 25C-NBOMe I was wondering I have a miligram scale would be best to measure 1 mg and then separate by eye because I realy wouldnt want it dissolve it in water unless necesary

 

[JBrandon]

What would probably be a good idea would be to post that in the 25C-NBOMe thread and not hijack this one

And no, separating 1mg by eye is never going to be accurate, especially if you only have a milligram scale. You need volumetric dosing or you need to buy a better scale.

 

[Jesusgreen]

^^ Correct on both accounts. Moved to the correct thread, and, buy a scale!

If you know for sure you have exactly 1mg though, you can use volumetric dosing. See here for more info.