I used to be all about taking massive doses of LSD and dissolving my mind into a sea of pulsing electricity, but its just too damn far out for me these days. I can't really handle mushrooms anymore either, although they've never been my favorite, they have that "vibrate into another dimension" quality that is so present in DMT, but it lasts hours instead of minutes. Nooo thanks.
I find all my real tryptamine/LSD trips do that. I don't have much DMT experience but lots with mushies/4-AcO-DMT/4-AcO-DiPT. 1/2 hour in I get that wa-wa-wa-orb-orb-orb vibby vibby... here it comes and I can't do a damn thing about it feeling. It's at that point if I'm not able to take it, I'm in for hell. When that 'vibration' and tuning into your inner carrier wave starts happening it can take you to some cool places but, like you say, completely incompatible with regular consciousness and thus extremely exhausting and in the end, useless.
I feel like in the last year or two I'm in a state more capable of accepting that vibby orbing but I haven't been seeking it like I used to when I was in a state less capable of accepting it.
I think there's also the sense that when I'm in that vibby state I'm totally alone, as in, I know there's know one I can relate this to, or knows what I'm experiencing. I can't converse about it after the fact and the utter alienness of it all makes me feel like I've experienced something no one else I know has, and creates a gulf between us. Like talking to family/friends a day or two after an experience like that, I can't connect with them normally because in a sense I'm still sort on the non-regular plane.
It's that state i don't like so much and phenethylamines don't do that. They deal in the tangible world; psychedelic experiences that deal with relationships and something you can integrate with daily life.
About that vibbing and orbing. Two experience stand out for me. One with 200 mics, where my inner carrier wave was auditorily manifested and it was visually manifested via pulsating waves of colour coming out of objects and the walls. Man that was incredible, all I could do is lie on the floor and take it all in. 4-AcO-DiPT was another. It was possible stronger than that acid trip was. I forget the dosage; but I remember it being
very trypty-vibby without the intense fear that accompanies mushrooms for me. If you're looking for that hard carrier wave trip with an 'up' signature I highly recommend 4-AcO-DiPT.
I think I'm going to go for a real immersive psychedelic trip over christmas break, though-- I'm thinking 4mg of DOM, followed by a few strong hits of LSD several hours later, after I've had a chance to relish the pure DOM experience for a bit.
Let me know how DOM is for you. I have samples of DOM, DOC, and enough DOI to lace the water cooler in the physics department. So far I've done DOC and DOI. DOC at ~2mg was too strong for my set/setting, I took some diazepam because the body load was killing me, once it plateaued it was so pleasurable though. DOI, wasn't dosed high enough to trip but made for quite the wank session. Almost like aMT but more tension and less euphoria.
The DOx's interest me but it's hard to get the right setting for them. You have to have a long time where you know you're going to be free from any obligation and not going to be contacted. Often when given such a situation I'm more tempted to dose opiates
For my next 5-HT2a trip I'd like to try something novel. I might not have the available time for a DOx. I would really like to try TMA-2 or TMA-6 though. Moreso than DOx's, those are on my list of 'must tries'.
Precisely... I think, in a way, the subjective psychedelic experience of oneness and true peace, love, joy, beauty in the world, etc., is representative of the final and ultimate human value. These feelings are the reason for everything we do, and they are the "point" of anything that has one. They don't, however, have a "point" themselves because they don't lead to any extrinsic source of value. Although this is quite arguable.
Uh oh, sounds like some pretty philosophical fancy talkin'
Sorry, with the shit I had to read for my Bioethics course I've decided there is no way in hell I'm taking another philosophy course. The language is so messed up and convoluted. Everything is also very argumentative and adversarial. It was the only compulsory philosophy course for me and I'm glad it's almost over.
I can't believe people actually write that garbage for their careers/enjoyment.
No morning class tomorrow. Diazepam, oxycodone, etizolam, and sublingual o-dt. I've been taking o-dt daily, first thing every morning for a while and I think it's turning poison on me. I feel good while it's coming on and for the next couple hours but it's downhill from there, it also has a 12 hour duration so it should still be benefiting me, but I find it just messes me up more and takes away my motivation. I started using it because it gave me a sense of calm motivation but that's all but gone now. Time for withdrawal me-thinks.